[BURIK] ziratulbihac Players 216 posts 2,430 battles Report post #1 Posted June 23, 2022 Along with very ugly slick interface, Kobayashi skin that you have paid 7k or 8k doubloons now gives you NOTHING but skin, look: 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-TPF-] invicta2012 Players 6,382 posts 26,855 battles Report post #2 Posted June 23, 2022 Perhaps the economic bonuses are shown on another screen? 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PUPSI] Klopirat Freibeuter 15,160 posts Report post #3 Posted June 23, 2022 Vor 14 Minuten, ziratulbihac sagte: Along with very ugly slick interface, Kobayashi skin that you have paid 7k or 8k doubloons now gives you NOTHING but skin, look: 5 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BURIK] ziratulbihac Players 216 posts 2,430 battles Report post #4 Posted June 23, 2022 There are here 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CAIN] Jethro_Grey Players 5,207 posts 25,733 battles Report post #5 Posted June 23, 2022 As confirmed by Seraphice on the official stream, buying Kobayashi camos after the change will NOT offer you the same bonuses they have now. 3 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BURIK] ziratulbihac Players 216 posts 2,430 battles Report post #6 Posted June 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Jethro_Grey said: As confirmed by Seraphice on the official stream, buying Kobayashi camos after the change will NOT offer you the same bonuses they have now. Beside KII and Roma, is there any other worth buying? Tier VIII+ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BYOB] Aragathor Players 7,047 posts 32,322 battles Report post #7 Posted June 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, Jethro_Grey said: As confirmed by Seraphice on the official stream, buying Kobayashi camos after the change will NOT offer you the same bonuses they have now. WG creating equality, again. Those people are memes. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-TPF-] invicta2012 Players 6,382 posts 26,855 battles Report post #8 Posted June 23, 2022 8 minutes ago, Jethro_Grey said: As confirmed by Seraphice on the official stream, buying Kobayashi camos after the change will NOT offer you the same bonuses they have now. Did they say what they will offer? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BYOB] Aragathor Players 7,047 posts 32,322 battles Report post #9 Posted June 23, 2022 9 minutes ago, invicta2012 said: Did they say what they will offer? Standard perma camo bonuses. So for T8 +5% credits and +50% XP/cXP/fXP. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CAIN] Jethro_Grey Players 5,207 posts 25,733 battles Report post #10 Posted June 23, 2022 35 minutes ago, ziratulbihac said: Beside KII and Roma, is there any other worth buying? Tier VIII+ IIRC, only Yamato and Ashitaka (TVII) have Kobayashi camos. However, Yamatos camo only gives STANDARD TX bonuses, as mentioned by Verblonde below. 28 minutes ago, invicta2012 said: Did they say what they will offer? this below 18 minutes ago, Aragathor said: Standard perma camo bonuses. So for T8 +5% credits and +50% XP/cXP/fXP. yep 33 minutes ago, Aragathor said: WG creating equality, again. Those people are memes. Some are more equal then others. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SM0KE] Verblonde Players 9,787 posts 20,664 battles Report post #11 Posted June 23, 2022 30 minutes ago, ziratulbihac said: Beside KII and Roma, is there any other worth buying? Tier VIII+ The Yamato one gives the same bonuses as a regular T10 permaflage, so not worth getting over a regular (cheaper) one, unless you like the aesthetic. Ashitaka is worth having if you make use of her in Narai, but she's (obviously) a T7. FWIW I have them all, apart from Yamato. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[COOOP] Shirakami_Kon Players 2,624 posts 12,776 battles Report post #12 Posted June 23, 2022 1 hour ago, ziratulbihac said: Beside KII and Roma, is there any other worth buying? Tier VIII+ Prinz Eugen's Adler one is the only other one that might have some value maybe that comes to mind. Though it works different from Kobayashi's, the main focus of that one is commander's XP bonus more than credits. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CUPID] undutchable80 Players 378 posts 5,269 battles Report post #13 Posted June 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Shirakami_Kon said: Prinz Eugen's Adler one is the only other one that might have some value maybe that comes to mind. Though it works different from Kobayashi's, the main focus of that one is commander's XP bonus more than credits. The Graf Spee also has the Adler camo available with the same extra bonuses over the standard camo. Is there a list of all ships & special camos (like Kii + Kobayashi, P.Eugen + Adler, etc etc) available anywhere? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SM0KE] Verblonde Players 9,787 posts 20,664 battles Report post #14 Posted June 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, Shirakami_Kon said: Prinz Eugen's Adler one is the only other one that might have some value maybe that comes to mind. The other ones that might be worth a look are the National permaflages for things like Graf Spee, Warspite, and Shinonome - they dramatically improve the profitability of those ships (albeit they're T6s). 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CUPID] undutchable80 Players 378 posts 5,269 battles Report post #15 Posted June 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Verblonde said: The other ones that might be worth a look are the National permaflages for things like Graf Spee, Warspite, and Shinonome - they dramatically improve the profitability of those ships (albeit they're T6s). Are they worth it, if you do play the ships? I mean, is the profitability noticeable? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[KVOR] coldocean Players 521 posts Report post #16 Posted June 23, 2022 Vor 3 Minuten, undutchable80 sagte: Are they worth it, if you do play the ships? I mean, is the profitability noticeable? I recommend to play a few games and check what you make there and then calculate the extra bonus. Then multiply only the normalized extra bonus by the games you expect to play with this ship in the next year. Then ask yourself, if investing a few thousand dubs is worth that number of credits you calculated. It makes no sense to check calculations about how much credits a super player could make, when playing this or that ship 10 times a day, every day in a month. Use your own numbers and think about how often you really play with the ship. Just my 2 cents. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SM0KE] Verblonde Players 9,787 posts 20,664 battles Report post #17 Posted June 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, undutchable80 said: Are they worth it, if you do play the ships? I mean, is the profitability noticeable? I think so, although most of the time I'm using these things in Ops (Shinonome excepted), so it may be more noticeable there, perhaps? These are the bonuses: That extra xp might be useful too after the update, assuming that translates across to free xp and captain xp... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SM0KE] Verblonde Players 9,787 posts 20,664 battles Report post #18 Posted June 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, coldocean said: Use your own numbers and think about how often you really play with the ship. This is excellent advice: of all the 'bonus earnings' permaflages I have, I've probably only really got excellent value from Graf Spee (thanks to Ops), and Shinonome (Ranked, when it's T6), and maybe Warspite (Ops again) and Ashitaka (Narai). I do play Roma and Kii quite a lot, not to mention Prinz Eugen, but these three tend to be mostly in Coop, so a lot of folk may find the value proposition in that sort of context less compelling. Do we count the 'cat' permaflage on Harekaze? I have a vague feeling that was free with the ship though. That's probably the 'bonus' permaflage I've got most use from... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[I-J-N] Karasu_Browarszky [I-J-N] Players 13,025 posts Report post #19 Posted June 23, 2022 42 minutes ago, Verblonde said: This is excellent advice: of all the 'bonus earnings' permaflages I have, I've probably only really got excellent value from Graf Spee (thanks to Ops), and Shinonome (Ranked, when it's T6), and maybe Warspite (Ops again) and Ashitaka (Narai). I do play Roma and Kii quite a lot, not to mention Prinz Eugen, but these three tend to be mostly in Coop, so a lot of folk may find the value proposition in that sort of context less compelling. Do we count the 'cat' permaflage on Harekaze? I have a vague feeling that was free with the ship though. That's probably the 'bonus' permaflage I've got most use from... Not sure, there's an old thread from 2018 indicating this camo was optional and you had to buy it for 4000 doubloons. Then again, the original Harekaze was back in the premium shop in 2021, and the camo seems to have been part of the bundle then. https://worldofwarships.eu/en/news/sales-and-events/high-school-fleet-returns-to-wows/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Humorpalanta ∞ Players 2,025 posts 13,785 battles Report post #20 Posted June 23, 2022 Okay, so now the camos are only graphic, no economic bonuses, yet they still cost 6k gold. Who would throw that to WeeGee just for the looks? I mean there are hundreds of ships. Even if you like 30 of them. That is 180 000 gold for basically nothing :D Hilarious. And ppl wonder why they don't change... Cos there will be idiots paying that price. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SM0KE] Verblonde Players 9,787 posts 20,664 battles Report post #21 Posted June 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said: Not sure, there's an old thread from 2018 indicating this camo was optional and you had to buy it for 4000 doubloons. I think I got Harekaze on her initial release (or possibly the second); certainly it was more years ago than my semi-senile memory can cope with, so I can't recall. If I did pay doubloons for it, I certainly got decent use from it - more than any other of the 'special' permaflages, I think... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[I-J-N] Karasu_Browarszky [I-J-N] Players 13,025 posts Report post #22 Posted June 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, Verblonde said: I think I got Harekaze on her initial release (or possibly the second); certainly it was more years ago than my semi-senile memory can cope with, so I can't recall. If I did pay doubloons for it, I certainly got decent use from it - more than any other of the 'special' permaflages, I think... Well.. I can't actually remember when I got my Harekaze... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SM0KE] Verblonde Players 9,787 posts 20,664 battles Report post #23 Posted June 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Humorpalanta said: Cos there will be idiots paying that price. I thought I read somewhere that 'extra' permaflage aesthetics would cost rather less than the 'full set' (i.e. aesthetics and bonus)? That said, I don't recall seeing any firm pricing. We can take a guess (and/or see - after the changes - if WG are taking the pi$$ or not): This is - probably obviously - Yamato. I'm guessing the 'basic aesthetic plus bonuses' package will remain at 5K doubloons. The Kobayashi aesthetic will - probably - be a couple of thousand doubloons on top, and the 3D thing 3K doubloons. One question will be: can you still buy 'poncey aesthetic plus bonuses' packages without buying the basic aesthetic first (as you can now)? Another will be - if there is more than one bonus package available (HSF in this case) - can you buy the bonus package part without the aesthetic? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Humorpalanta ∞ Players 2,025 posts 13,785 battles Report post #24 Posted June 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, Verblonde said: I thought I read somewhere that 'extra' permaflage aesthetics would cost rather less than the 'full set' (i.e. aesthetics and bonus)? That said, I don't recall seeing any firm pricing. We can take a guess (and/or see - after the changes - if WG are taking the pi$$ or not): This is - probably obviously - Yamato. I'm guessing the 'basic aesthetic plus bonuses' package will remain at 5K doubloons. The Kobayashi aesthetic will - probably - be a couple of thousand doubloons on top, and the 3D thing 3K doubloons. One question will be: can you still buy 'poncey aesthetic plus bonuses' packages without buying the basic aesthetic first (as you can now)? Another will be - if there is more than one bonus package available (HSF in this case) - can you buy the bonus package part without the aesthetic? Flamu checked Test server. First permacamo on a ship is 200 gold but the rest stayed with the full price. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[I-J-N] Karasu_Browarszky [I-J-N] Players 13,025 posts Report post #25 Posted June 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, Verblonde said: I thought I read somewhere that 'extra' permaflage aesthetics would cost rather less than the 'full set' (i.e. aesthetics and bonus)? That said, I don't recall seeing any firm pricing. We can take a guess (and/or see - after the changes - if WG are taking the pi$$ or not): This is - probably obviously - Yamato. I'm guessing the 'basic aesthetic plus bonuses' package will remain at 5K doubloons. The Kobayashi aesthetic will - probably - be a couple of thousand doubloons on top, and the 3D thing 3K doubloons. One question will be: can you still buy 'poncey aesthetic plus bonuses' packages without buying the basic aesthetic first (as you can now)? Another will be - if there is more than one bonus package available (HSF in this case) - can you buy the bonus package part without the aesthetic? Maybe not related, but wasn't there a mention of the first perma camo for any ship being available at a discount? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
