Poll about the "badness" of bad players of the playerbase

[ColonelPete]

Just a poll for the veterans.

[Aethervoxx]

Your  poll makes no sense, Colonel Pete , therefore, I will not vote  .

 

[Aragathor]

I wonder how many 2015 players are still active?

 

Must be 3-4 on a good day.

[ColonelPete]

14 minutes ago, Aethervoxx said:

Your  poll makes no sense, Colonel Pete , therefore, I will not vote  .

 

Then the poll is obviously not for you.

[Verblonde]

Do you mean we have fewer bad players than in 2015 (or not), or that the players we do have have got less bad?

[Aethervoxx]

18 minutes ago, Verblonde said:

Do you mean we have fewer bad players than in 2015 (or not), or that the players we do have have got less bad?

It's, imo, a 'contrarian' poll question from a known contrarian so your guess is as good as mine 

36 minutes ago, Aragathor said:

I wonder how many 2015 players are still active?

 

Must be 3-4 on a good day.

Probably not many, although, I am still active having begun in NA in 2015 with this account (I'm a NA refugee here, lol)  

One does see a number of Beta players but fewer Alpha players - I have both 

[JohnMac79]

Dont understand Q2.

[Aethervoxx]

Just now, JohnMac79 said:

Dont understand Q2.

I doubt anyone does 

[Gnirf]

42 minutes ago, Aragathor said:

I wonder how many 2015 players are still active?

 

Must be 3-4 on a good day.

Here is oneWe met twice today !

[Aragathor]

4 minutes ago, Gnirf said:

Here is oneWe met twice today !

Where's the other 3? And no, you don't count twice.

[Peffers]

1 hour ago, Aragathor said:

I wonder how many 2015 players are still active?

 

Must be 3-4 on a good day.

me, but my wallet is closed.

[tocqueville8]

1 hour ago, JohnMac79 said:

Dont understand Q2.

 

I think the question is whether the winrate distribution is narrower than in the past, meaning there's a general leveling-off that brought people closer to 50%.

 

Then again, I'm not sure what that would prove, even if true: with years of experience, the good players are probably better now than 7 years ago, but bad players also have had years to improve, plus a lot of mechanics are better known and there are a lot of resources, reviews, guides, etc.

 

I guess what we're getting at is the suggestion that the game has been "dumbed down" over the years, which would help bad players at the expense of good ones 

[ColonelPete]

12 minutes ago, tocqueville8 said:

 

I think the question is whether the winrate distribution is narrower than in the past, meaning there's a general leveling-off that brought people closer to 50%.

 

Then again, I'm not sure what that would prove, even if true: with years of experience, the good players are probably better now than 7 years ago, but bad players also have had years to improve, plus a lot of mechanics are better known and there are a lot of resources, reviews, guides, etc.

 

I guess what we're getting at is the suggestion that the game has been "dumbed down" over the years, which would help bad players at the expense of good ones 

Some people claim that the game was made easier for bad players (in a gameplay sense, not the economy) and that bad players therefore perform better (win more) than then bad players in 2015.

[Miragetank90]

15 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Some people claim that the game was made easier for bad players (in a gameplay sense, not the economy) and that bad players therefore perform better (win more) than then bad players in 2015.

 

imo the game was definitely not made ''easier'' over the years, if anything it became a little bit harder, faster paced, more intensive, and a bit more complicated, nuanced. Talking about high-tier especially.

More knowledge and skill is more rewarding than ever. Mistakes are punished harder. 

 

Not to say WoWs is a particularly complex or demanding game, but maybe a little more so nowadays.

At least compared to when we only had USN and IJN in the game.

[ColonelPete]

Just now, Miragetank90 said:

 

imo the game was definitely not made ''easier'' over the years, if anything it became a little bit harder, faster paced, more intensive, and a bit more complicated, nuanced. 

 

Not to say WoWs is a particularly complex or demanding game, but maybe a little more so nowadays.

At least compared to when we only had USN and IJN in the game.

I agree. But the question has two components. The "objective" skill requirement of the game and the level of skill of the playerbase.

 

I think the game got more challenging (more mechanics, more ships) and the general skill level went down too, which explains the increased skill gap between good and bad players in 2022.

[Miragetank90]

1 minute ago, ColonelPete said:

I agree. But the question has two components. The "objective" skill requirement of the game and the level of skill of the playerbase.

 

I think the game got more challenging (more mechanics, more ships) and the general skill level went down too, which explains the increased skill gap between good and bad players in 2022.

 

But why would general skill level noticeably decrease, if it did what would cause it? The game changed a lot over the years, new additions, etc. but at the core it's the same, really.

A big influx of newbies and some vets just moving on? 

[Shirakami_Kon]

2 hours ago, Aragathor said:

I wonder how many 2015 players are still active?

 

Must be 3-4 on a good day.

Some zombies like me.

[ColonelPete]

3 minutes ago, Miragetank90 said:

 

But why would general skill level noticeably decrease, if it did what would cause it? The game changed a lot over the years, new additions, etc. but at the core it's the same, really.

A big influx of newbies and some vets just moving on? 

In my opinion the problem is the relaxed economy. Advancing the tech trees is very easy, shortening the learning phase of the players, which in turn teaches them less. Additionally unlocking new ships becomes its own reward (like new equipment in a MMORPG) and people play to get the next ship and not to win or get better, which is a completly different motivation to play the game. This sets these players apart from many veterans and the few new players that are interesting in winning matches.

[Srle_Vigilante]

3 hours ago, Aragathor said:

I wonder how many 2015 players are still active?

 

Must be 3-4 on a good day.

I don't want to be active but I keep coming back.

[Leo_Apollo11]

Hi all,

 

4 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

Just a poll for the veterans.

 

1 picture is worth 1.000 words... "Convoy" - Sunday evening (I am player #9)...

 

 

 

We won BTW (as defending force)!

 

I had 130K and 1 kill in my new Cherbourg...

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"

[BLUB__BLUB]

No we do not have more bad players now. 

No they do not win more than in 2015. 

 

Basically it is easier for bad players to get to T10 fast. That is not an increase in bad players. 
But it makes it more noticable. Games end more often in a ROFLSTOMP. 

 

And they do not win more often, those that use Match Maker Monitor often cry about the MM. 
Mostly, bad players end up on one team so the ROFLSTOMP gets even worse. 

And as a result - they do not win more, but end up at the short end of the stick more often. 
I'd say they win even less. 

 

Good or average players do not profit from this, even if you win more you do not gain anything from ROFLSTOMP games. 

Similar as a herd of sheep thundering themselves to death into a ravine will not make for a good BBQ hunt. 

[Yedwy]

 Since i joined in 2016 IIRC it aint a poll for me either ^^

[Sub_Human]

12 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

Just a poll for the veterans.

I started in 2017 so not for me.

 

But I do feel that its status quo since then. A lot of players play poorly, as they did back then. And a lot of really good players have quit the game, others have filled their places.

 

I still miss some though.

[Siagor]

12 hours ago, Aragathor said:

I wonder how many 2015 players are still active?

 

Must be 3-4 on a good day.

 

Beta here 

[KillStealBoss]

13 hours ago, JohnMac79 said:

Dont understand Q2.

He meant of the WR of the bad players today is better than those in 2015. 

 

Well honestly when I started the game I really didn't see accounts that had less than 40% WR. Now I see them and it's just cringy...

Today when I see a 47-48% I don't consider it bad. Cause it can be way way worse....