To Black or not to Black, that is the question!

[Praetorias]

So I have heard of the mythical Black and wanted it….thinking it was a hard hitting super dd, But I have now managed to compare the ship with the kidd, and it looks near identical other than AA?  So yes it has the smoke/radar feature but am I right in saying, from someone who finds the kidd less than hard hitting, it is the same thing pretty much….not such an amazing unique premium, worth grinding for?

 

I feel somewhat less excited now, prob will get it with coal still so can sell the chung mu as no need for it anymore…

[albin322]

3 minutes ago, Praetorias said:

So I have heard of the mythical Black and wanted it….thinking it was a hard hitting super dd, But I have now managed to compare the ship with the kidd, and it looks near identical other than AA?  So yes it has the smoke/radar feature but am I right in saying, from someone who finds the kidd less than hard hitting, it is the same thing pretty much….not such an amazing unique premium, worth grinding for?

 

I feel somewhat less excited now, prob will get it with coal still so can sell the chung my as no need for it anymore…

after this event you can buy it for coal in the armory same price as neustra(i would belive). dont spend money 

[GulvkluderGuld]

It is and plays very different from Kidd in every other way than the Benson hull. 1v1 it can beat any gunboat dd you care to name apart from Småland and Ragnar, while the consumables are up. Kidd on the other hand is fairly mediocre. That said, dont rush out and buy it, wait untill after the event. It's nowhere near as fun as for instance a kitakaze, nor is it as versatile. The torpedoes are a joke, slower than 50 knots and more like sea mines. Black is good at nothing but fighting other DDs.

 

Mine has sat in port for years.

[Redcap375]

1 hour ago, GulvkluderGuld said:

It is and plays very different from Kidd in every other way than the Benson hull. 1v1 it can beat any gunboat dd you care to name apart from Småland and Ragnar, while the consumables are up. Kidd on the other hand is fairly mediocre. That said, dont rush out and buy it, wait untill after the event. It's nowhere near as fun as for instance a kitakaze, nor is it as versatile. The torpedoes are a joke, slower than 50 knots and more like sea mines. Black is good at nothing but fighting other DDs.

 

Mine has sat in port for years.

 

Fighting other dds?

 

And the Daring, Jutland, Sherman, Harra, Frieland, Regolo, Kaba, ZF, Kit to name a few within it's tier range it could/will wiped out by 1 vs 1 when it's radar is gone or on cool down.  It's missing one important thing that has changed in the last 5 years....A heal. If you don't have a heal then you need a lot of HP and the Black is average. It's a glory gunboat Fletcher with sea mines but radar.

 

The black is still a good ship but it's old and it shows.  Heals have become common and radar is no longer a novelty.  It hangs on to it's radar which received a nerf. 

 

Defo not worth the money, but coal? Sure even though it's very expensive, there are worst ships at that tier.

 

Majority of Unicums had this ship many moons ago and it was rare and played a lot, hence the inflated stats.  But not many play it now as there are better and newer ships.

 

 

[JohnMac79]

1 hour ago, GulvkluderGuld said:

1v1 it can beat any gunboat dd you care to name apart from Småland and Ragnar, while the consumables are up.

 

My kitakaze disagrees.

 

1 hour ago, Praetorias said:

So I have heard of the mythical Black and wanted it….thinking it was a hard hitting super dd, But I have now managed to compare the ship with the kidd, and it looks near identical other than AA?  So yes it has the smoke/radar feature but am I right in saying, from someone who finds the kidd less than hard hitting, it is the same thing pretty much….not such an amazing unique premium, worth grinding for?

 

I feel somewhat less excited now, prob will get it with coal still so can sell the chung mu as no need for it anymore…

 

It can still perform in ranked, i was still playing it right up till this latest season with high success rates i just decided to mx it up a little by playing kita for a while. But if you are remotely competent it can definitely still do its job.

[Shirakami_Kon]

1 hour ago, Praetorias said:

So I have heard of the mythical Black and wanted it….thinking it was a hard hitting super dd, But I have now managed to compare the ship with the kidd, and it looks near identical other than AA?  So yes it has the smoke/radar feature but am I right in saying, from someone who finds the kidd less than hard hitting, it is the same thing pretty much….not such an amazing unique premium, worth grinding for?

 

I feel somewhat less excited now, prob will get it with coal still so can sell the chung mu as no need for it anymore…

Right now it's just a glorified trap because of radar that people got for way cheaper than it is already back when it was actually worth it.

[ross1193]

Don't spend anymore doublins or real money on anything for WOW until they remove subs and fix all the recent mistakes they've made and stuff they've forced upon us all which people have repeatadly said to them that they don't want in the game!!! That said Black is just another DD P:

[hellhound666]

for dbs - certainly not.

for coal - if you have a lot of coal and have most of the else

[GulvkluderGuld]

9 hours ago, Redcap375 said:

 

Fighting other dds?

 

And the Daring, Jutland, Sherman, Harra, Frieland, Regolo, Kaba, ZF, Kit to name a few within it's tier range it could/will wiped out by 1 vs 1 when it's radar is gone or on cool down.  It's missing one important thing that has changed in the last 5 years....A heal. If you don't have a heal then you need a lot of HP and the Black is average. It's a glory gunboat Fletcher with sea mines but radar......

It's a good point about the heal, which makes the nerf to radar duration hurt even more. The best strategy vs heal dds is to catch them and burst them in one engagement, negating the multiple heals. Shorter radar duration makes that harder. 

Of the DDs you mention only half has a heal and only Jutland have better concealment. Frieland in particular is free food since it gets spotted from the moon. I've played a lot of Black vs Kita/Daring/Jutland from both sides and Black generally outtrades them even if they blindfire while radar is up, but the margins are narrow and if requires the Black to play cautiously while consumables aren't up. I found the main frustration with Black is the lack of tools to deal with BBs and cruisers.

 

8 hours ago, JohnMac79 said:

 

My kitakaze disagrees.

Last time I met a decent Black with my kita, I blindfired for 70-80% of the dmg he did to me while using radar. That was before the kita concealment nerf. It's a close fight for sure.

[Ocsimano18]

For me it’s either Black or Iwami for coal. The latter shapes up nicely with Georgia’s precision on her secondaries. I’ll wait for the reviews.

[MixuS]

10 hours ago, GulvkluderGuld said:

The torpedoes are a joke

If by "joke" mean they make you laugh then yes. I remember many times laughing my *** off to all the potatoes getting hit by them in obvious camping spots.

[albin322]

12 hours ago, GulvkluderGuld said:

The torpedoes are a joke,

tbh it becomes a bit like venzia they are so slow and bad that they turn good cause you dont expect them!

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

Do not black unless for coal. This game isnt worth real money

[Matt_FSR]

Just fought a Black in ranked. 

 

He was in smoke, battering our battleships...   as I closed in on him, he used his radar to spot me and dump some shells into my hull, which cost me ~4-6k in HP

 

but then this happened:    

 

 

And then there was no more Black!

[HMS_Kilinowski]

Black isn't worth what WG is asking for it. It was worth it back in the old days, when there was only tech-tree T9-DD. Now with all the good T9-DDs, it is still nice but not that powerful anymore, I bought Neustra and it is hardly worth the excessive price tag. I'd assume some WG craziness, so the price will be even higher than Neustra, maybe 300k coal. Given the history of WG to be unreasonable, I wouldn't even be surprised if they wanted 500k coal.

 

I might get the Black, if the coal price is not way beyond reasonable. But then again I read a nerf disclaimer in the recent description. So WG indicates they want to nerf it, "if deemed necessary". I find that extremely irritating for such an expensive ship. The whole argument for buying it is the reputation of its power. Any nerf can take that away at any moment and at will. So how does one justify that price? Is a pint of crafted beer worth 6 Euro, if the seller announces that by buying it you consent with him reducing the amount of beer to 2cl if he "deems it necessary"?

What is that choice of words, if not a blank cheque to do whatever is in WG's interst and not in yours?

[Ocsimano18]

9 minutes ago, HMS_Kilinowski said:

Black isn't worth what WG is asking for it. It was worth it back in the old days, when there was only tech-tree T9-DD. Now with all the good T9-DDs, it is still nice but not that powerful anymore, I bought Neustra and it is hardly worth the excessive price tag. I'd assume some WG craziness, so the price will be even higher than Neustra, maybe 300k coal. Given the history of WG to be unreasonable, I wouldn't even be surprised if they wanted 500k coal.

 

I might get the Black, if the coal price is not way beyond reasonable. But then again I read a nerf disclaimer in the recent description. So WG indicates they want to nerf it, "if deemed necessary". I find that extremely irritating for such an expensive ship. The whole argument for buying it is the reputation of its power. Any nerf can take that away at any moment and at will. So how does one justify that price? Is a pint of crafted beer worth 6 Euro, if the seller announces that by buying it you consent with him reducing the amount of beer to 2cl?

It was already announced that Black would have the same price in coal as the Neustrashimy.

[Leo_Apollo11]

Hi all,

 

I have constant 300K Coal in reserve for "Black" for months and months now...

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"

[Verblonde]

13 hours ago, Praetorias said:

I feel somewhat less excited now, prob will get it with coal still so can sell the chung mu as no need for it anymore… 

Black is still worth having, and she is very different to Kidd (Kidd is tougher thanks to the heal, but has far weaker torps - only one launcher. Kidd's AA is better, but we all know that's largely irrelevant against a decent CV player. Of course, Black gets the radar, which is still powerful, if you can use it right - make sure you mount a coal mod, if possible) so they do play differently if you're making use of their respective strengths.

 

For broadly similar reasons, I'd still Keep Chung Mu; although she's yet another Feltcher, she still plays differently to Black and Kidd (and Feltcher herself) - so worth keeping for some extra variety. Besides that, from a pragmatic point of view, you lose a lot of silver when you sell a T9, and you don't have to re-buy her for snowflakes.

 

Besides that, I'd echo what others have said: don't spend real money on Black, but she is definitely worth the coal (if you can DD, and enjoy it).

[HMS_Kilinowski]

1 hour ago, Ocsimano18 said:

It was already announced that Black would have the same price in coal as the Neustrashimy.

 

Oh, thanks, I missed that news bit. Still a bit expensive, but on the low end of what I'd expected.

 

1 hour ago, Leo_Apollo11 said:

I have constant 300K Coal in reserve for "Black" for months and months now...

 

I have built a reserve since they announced it would be removed to return within maybe half a year for coal. So I've saved coal for "a decent coal ship" for ~21 months now. I was stupid enough to save for Bourgogne back then and not buy the Black instead.

[Probeerhetmaar]

4 hours ago, HMS_Kilinowski said:

The whole argument for buying it is the reputation of its power.

WG is incapable of judging the power of a ship. But since they refuse to refund and remove ships from the game, they started adding this disclaimer. Look at all new ships, by far the most come out to powerfull, rarely underpowered.... Any odd streamer can predict the power of a ship with fair accuracy, but WG can't. Should say it all.

[Redcap375]

Oh just murdered one in Randoms with my Daring, talking of the devil.

 

Radar on cool down? Poor thing. Heavy AP destroyed him with little damage (that I healed back).

[Probeerhetmaar]

11 minutes ago, Redcap375 said:

Oh just murdered one in Randoms with my Daring, talking of the devil.

 

You checked if it was a WG wonder who just bought his first T9?

[Redcap375]

11 minutes ago, Probeerhetmaar said:

You checked if it was a WG wonder who just bought his first T9?

 

53% WR player, 6,304 games. Daring with RPF...Deadly. He over extended basically. 

[Probeerhetmaar]

Fair enough

[Ocsimano18]

10 hours ago, Redcap375 said:

 

53% WR player, 6,304 games. Daring with RPF...Deadly. He over extended basically. 

She’s meant to be played in ranked top tier matches. The question is if such a limited usage worth the high price tag instead of getting Forrest Sherman (already getting too popular and thus might go away), or Iwami (shaping up to be a nice secondary BB), or anything else you can have for coal.