Oh dear Wargaming why have you done this?

[The_Angry_Admiral]

If you thought Wargaming couldn't break this game even more have a watch of this.

 

Devblog - New Ships - They've Lost It - YouTube

[black_falcon120]

I’m getting sent to the YT homepage, is this a troll?

[The_Angry_Admiral]

1 minute ago, black_falcon120 said:

I’m getting sent to the YT homepage, is this a troll?

Fixed.

[JohnMac79]

Wargaming have simply lost their minds. The powercreep just gets worst with each passing month.

 

They are now speedrunning destruction of the game.

[The_Angry_Admiral]

5 hours ago, JohnMac79 said:

Wargaming have simply lost their minds. The powercreep just gets worst with each passing month.

 

They are now speedrunning destruction of the game.

I knew Premium Subs were on the way.

[________________Morrison]

1 hour ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

I knew Premium Subs were on the way.

Premium test ships. You know. for the paying customer 

 

At this rate, they either become like slava and borodino. And get unfrozen in a year or two. Or entering the game before the end of this year / beginning of next year.

[flip_66]

To be fair, apart from the submarine part, this is just the usual Flamu whinery. Shouldn't take that guy too seriously.

[The_Angry_Admiral]

11 minutes ago, GordonsGekko said:

To be fair, apart from the submarine part, this is just the usual Flamu whinery. Shouldn't take that guy too seriously.

Flamu can whine and complain all day but the stats are there and it's not looking very good for the game. 

[flip_66]

2 minutes ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

Flamu can whine and complain all day but the stats are there and it's not looking very good for the game. 

I mean honestly is there ANYTHING that is looking good these days? They gave up on balancing long ago but I rather take Dalarna than any carrier or sub in this game. And I honestly don't understand why Flamu is crying so much. He knows WG long enough to know they don't care about our opinion, so why is he even surprised?

[GarrusBrutus]

3 minutes ago, GordonsGekko said:

I honestly don't understand why Flamu is crying so much.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$ gotta entertain his followers so they pay him shekels.

[Itwastuesday]

The craziest T11 are still to come I bet. Super Nakhimov with stratosphere fighters, super Kleber that goes 60 knots and gets saturared in one hit, super petro that has submarine dive... Super Colombo that has 20 rifles and 0.5 sigma!

[albin322]

2 hours ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

Flamu can whine and complain all day but the stats are there and it's not looking very good for the game. 

i mean they will nerf dalarna in testing, but remeber he get more wiews crying on youtube = more money for him.

[Sunleader]

12 hours ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

If you thought Wargaming couldn't break this game even more have a watch of this.

 

Devblog - New Ships - They've Lost It - YouTube

 

3 things.

 

1.

Its the First Announcement for these Ships. They have not even Left the Closed Internal Testing Yet.

And are basicly Announced to come into Testing by Testers only for the Live Server soonish.

So these Values are nowhere near Balanced yet and are likely to be heavily altered before the Ships actually come about.

Up to the option of a complete Rework of the Ship if the Plan doesnt work.

 

2.

Flamu has his Name for a Reason. Its part of his Show to Flame and make Fun of things.

Be it Potato Players or Wargaming Decisions etc.

And with his History he also is not exactly an Unbiased Source for Wargaming.

Very often on absolute Purpose only pointing out how bad stuff is that WG does without even mentioning that none of this is Final.

 

3.

Mate. Seriously. Whenever I see you Posting. Its effectively some sort of Whining about WG.

And its usually Whining about stuff you dont seem to really know much about. Instead just repeating stuff you heard on YouTube or Twitch.

And frankly its pretty annoying. Because it Devalues Serious Complaints by others. As Wargaming after being Flamed by you can just shrug off the Serious Complaints as useless and biased Whining without proper arguments.

Effectively. You are more Supportive of WG with your actions than you really help any Progress or Change. Because your poorly laid out Topics and Complaint provide WG with an easy excuse to ignore proper Complaints and Criticism.

 

So. Maybe give that a tought. And either stop with it. (As most people already consider it Trolling anyways and thus dont even take you serious anymore) or at least try to Inform yourself a bit about stuff before you start Complaints about it.

 

 

Greetz Sun

[BRONSON1972]

Only the subs a real historic ship as far as I know from that lot, the rest are fantasy, fedup of fantasy/fake ships in this game, would sooner put up with genuine subs than more fake rubbish (french heavy cruisers line/ soviet cv line/ 2nd US battleship line etc).

I love the game but bit by bit they are ruining it for a large % of the players, and that's going by what my clan members are saying.

[Seraphice]

Please remember that these ships have not yet entered live testing yet, and balance changes can still be applied to them before release.

of course it's okay to speculate but as is often the case, they get tweaked quite a bit in testing.

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

[flip_66]

1 hour ago, Sunleader said:

 

3 things.

 

1.

Its the First Announcement for these Ships. They have not even Left the Closed Internal Testing Yet.

And are basicly Announced to come into Testing by Testers only for the Live Server soonish.

So these Values are nowhere near Balanced yet and are likely to be heavily altered before the Ships actually come about.

Up to the option of a complete Rework of the Ship if the Plan doesnt work.

 

2.

Flamu has his Name for a Reason. Its part of his Show to Flame and make Fun of things.

Be it Potato Players or Wargaming Decisions etc.

And with his History he also is not exactly an Unbiased Source for Wargaming.

Very often on absolute Purpose only pointing out how bad stuff is that WG does without even mentioning that none of this is Final.

 

3.

Mate. Seriously. Whenever I see you Posting. Its effectively some sort of Whining about WG.

And its usually Whining about stuff you dont seem to really know much about. Instead just repeating stuff you heard on YouTube or Twitch.

And frankly its pretty annoying. Because it Devalues Serious Complaints by others. As Wargaming after being Flamed by you can just shrug off the Serious Complaints as useless and biased Whining without proper arguments.

Effectively. You are more Supportive of WG with your actions than you really help any Progress or Change. Because your poorly laid out Topics and Complaint provide WG with an easy excuse to ignore proper Complaints and Criticism.

 

So. Maybe give that a tought. And either stop with it. (As most people already consider it Trolling anyways and thus dont even take you serious anymore) or at least try to Inform yourself a bit about stuff before you start Complaints about it.

 

 

Greetz Sun

To your points:

 

1. Weeeeeeell, we all know how this 'it's just testing, nothing is final' works out. Eventually, WG might change them a bit, but the disaster barely goes away as we have seen on many occasions

 

2. I agree on this one. It's his stick and his disciples agree with everything he says without questioning

 

3. You're right in a way that some people (me included) rant about everything that comes from WG. However they give us good reason for this. They very rarely do something desireable or progressive. Mainly it's stuff that has the sole reason to fill their pockets (which I can absolutely understand) or something they wasted too much effort on to cancel.

[The_Angry_Admiral]

1 minute ago, GordonsGekko said:

 

3. You're right in a way that some people (me included) rant about everything that comes from WG. However they give us good reason for this. They very rarely do something desireable or progressive. Mainly it's stuff that has the sole reason to fill their pockets (which I can absolutely understand) or something they wasted too much effort on to cancel.

This ^^

 

I can't speak for GG here but I have money invested in this game and when I invest I don't just walk away. This company has done nothing to instil confidence as the "MAJORITY" of the community have said we don not want subs and here we go getting a premium one. 

[Sunleader]

5 minutes ago, GordonsGekko said:

To your points:

 

1. Weeeeeeell, we all know how this 'it's just testing, nothing is final' works out. Eventually, WG might change them a bit, but the disaster barely goes away as we have seen on many occasions

 

2. I agree on this one. It's his stick and his disciples agree with everything he says without questioning

 

3. You're right in a way that some people (me included) rant about everything that comes from WG. However they give us good reason for this. They very rarely do something desireable or progressive. Mainly it's stuff that has the sole reason to fill their pockets (which I can absolutely understand) or something they wasted too much effort on to cancel.

 

1.

You sure about that ?

Because frankly. Alot of People here see them as Final. And claim oh my God the Game is Dead.

 

Fact is. So far WG has always enacted Pretty Hefty Changes on most Ships before they left Testing.

And often made further changes afterwards.

 

Now. WG also many Times failed to Balanced things Properly.

But let me be Honest here.

I seriously Doubt these Ships will go into Release with anything close to these Stats.

 

WG Balances by Statistics.

And if a DD like the Swedish one just Excels at everything and completely Outperforms all other DDs. Then you can assume WG will change something.

Same for the Spanish DD. If it ends up with that DD going into Cap and then just Deleting Enemy DDs with a Single Salvo thus basicly always winning Duels. Then WG will remove or nerf that Burst Ability etc.

 

2.

x

 

3.

The Problem is. This Behavior actually Supports WG.

Because WG has little Arguments against many of the well tought out Complaints the Community levels at them.

However. What they do have tons of. Is Prime Examples like this Topic. Where they can basicly Point their Fingers to saying that the Complaints of the Community are just Unfair Ranting with no Value stemming from People who either Hate WG and Lie on Purpose or which dont understand what they are talking about and thus just repeat what people like Flamu say.

Then nicely Ignoring the Proper Complaints that alot of Work and Research went into. Saying "Oh come on. We cant read all of these. Its likely just another Hater anyways"

 

Worse. The Average and Casual Players that really dont know so much about these things. See Topics like this. And then really think that all the Complaints on WG are effectively just baseless Ranting and Haters that want to make the Game out Bad.

So in the end all these rants do is help Wargaming to Ignore Criticism and Rally Support for Wargaming by making Complaints out to just be Unfair Haters Ranting.

 

 

 

 

11 minutes ago, Bear__Necessities said:

You have no legs to stand on when YOU regularly insult others. 

 

Dont bother.

Frankly. I think that this is actually his Intention.

 

He Opens a Topic with either a Controversial Topic or with a Criticism that Screams he knows nothing about the Game.

Then he on purpose Ignores any Serious Arguments and Attempts to Explain things to him.

Usually with some Snide Comments or by Blatantly Rejecting them without any Argument given.

Waiting for someone to say anything remotely Interpretable as being Personal. To then Jump on that and keep talking about nothing but that for as long as Possible

 

I have watched that a few Times now already.

And the Pattern is pretty much the same all the time.

 

Its basicly an Anti WG version of BoW.

 

[Seraphice]

32 minutes ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

Really?

Looking only at the ships currently in testing, San Diego, St. Vincent, Iwami and Aquila have undergone some quite significant changes I would say.
So yes, usually things still change when the ships are being live tested. This isn't to say this will 100% happen, but it can also not be taken for granted these ships will be released as they are currently announced.

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

[The_Angry_Admiral]

3 minutes ago, Seraphice said:

Looking only at the ships currently in testing, San Diego, St. Vincent, Iwami and Aquila have undergone some quite significant changes I would say.
So yes, usually things still change when the ships are being live tested. This isn't to say this will 100% happen, but it can also not be taken for granted these ships will be released as they are currently announced.

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

Well look at the Super CV's United States and Eagle - they are still overpowered and broken and yet are still in the game.

 

Not to mention the current state of subs that are still broken. 

[Panocek]

39 minutes ago, Seraphice said:

Please remember that these ships have not yet entered live testing yet, and balance changes can still be applied to them before release.

of course it's okay to speculate but as is often the case, they get tweaked quite a bit in testing.

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

I'm pretty sure Annapolis and Conde went as-is with their main gun specs, only alternate fire gimmick was tinkered with. And with Dalarna, my main issue so far is obscene gun damage output without drawbacks like Friesland/Sherman suffer.

[The_Angry_Admiral]

4 minutes ago, Panocek said:

I'm pretty sure Annapolis and Conde went as-is with their main gun specs, only alternate fire gimmick was tinkered with. And with Dalarna, my main issue so far is obscene gun damage output without drawbacks like Friesland/Sherman suffer.

^^This

 

What I'm afraid of is a significant change could just be a little less on the AA.

[deathsadow]

1 hour ago, Seraphice said:

Please remember that these ships have not yet entered live testing yet, and balance changes can still be applied to them before release.

of course it's okay to speculate but as is often the case, they get tweaked quite a bit in testing.

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

Its not the ships what worry me .. but the devs who come up with those stats. They clearly lost touch with the game.

[flip_66]

1 hour ago, Sunleader said:

 

1.

[...]

WG Balances by Statistics.

And if a DD like the Swedish one just Excels at everything and completely Outperforms all other DDs. Then you can assume WG will change something.

Same for the Spanish DD. If it ends up with that DD going into Cap and then just Deleting Enemy DDs with a Single Salvo thus basicly always winning Duels. Then WG will remove or nerf that Burst Ability etc.

 

I'll just replay with one picture here:

 

Spoiler

 

Yes, these are fairly new ships, but I can't imagine this was much different in the early test stages. If they seriously try to balance stuff properly, they are doing a **** job on it.

 

1 hour ago, Sunleader said:

3.

The Problem is. This Behavior actually Supports WG.

Because WG has little Arguments against many of the well tought out Complaints the Community levels at them.

However. What they do have tons of. Is Prime Examples like this Topic. Where they can basicly Point their Fingers to saying that the Complaints of the Community are just Unfair Ranting with no Value stemming from People who either Hate WG and Lie on Purpose or which dont understand what they are talking about and thus just repeat what people like Flamu say.

Then nicely Ignoring the Proper Complaints that alot of Work and Research went into. Saying "Oh come on. We cant read all of these. Its likely just another Hater anyways"

[...]

 

I can see your point and I actually agree with you to a certain extent. However if you look at submarines: This is something really absolutely nobody wants. All you have to do is look at the reaction during the prop... Thursday stream. When they are talking about regular stuff like new lines, new special ships and even Superships and CVs, the reactions are quite mixed. However as soon as they mention subs, the crowd goes crazy. Literally nobody has positive words for them. If you get ONLY negative feedback on ALL platforms, then you should probably rethink on this project. WG is doing the opposite, they simply ignore everything the community has to say about subs. So yes: You have to ignore some feedback because there will always be trolls and you obviously cannot satisfy everyone but you should never ignore the core of your customers.

[The_Angry_Admiral]

 

My biggest worry really is that new Japanese Premium Submarine. 

 

Submarines are already broken (There has been many and spot on arguments as to why) and this one takes that broke-ness to the next level. 

 

Not only that but I could see that lure trend popping up here where they will sell the submarine and when the purchase numbers begin to fall it gets a nerf. 

 

This is not something I wish to see happening more often.