[PRAEG] Praetorias Beta Tester 202 posts 16,108 battles Report post #1 Posted June 2, 2022 Hi I cannot stand this ship…. I HATE THIS SHIP……I have never, from memory, bought a premium ship and regretted it except for this piece of crap. It is beyond useless, its planes are too weak, too slow to aim, to low damage inducing, too few in number. It is literally painful playing this ship and every game leads me to want to drive it into the enemy so I can leave. I hate it beyond belief and a major buff/rework is needed before it is even a 1/4 the quality of other carriers. Sorry but had to get that off my chest. Many thanks, have a good jubilee weekend all! 1 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NECRO] HARBINGER_OF_SKULLS [NECRO] Players 1,540 posts Report post #2 Posted June 2, 2022 It is a CV, so your hate is justified. 1 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TORAZ] El2aZeR Beta Tester 15,786 posts 26,801 battles Report post #3 Posted June 2, 2022 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sunleader Weekend Tester, In AlfaTesters 5,710 posts 13,400 battles Report post #4 Posted June 2, 2022 Ahhh Good Old Times. So long ago. When AA was useless and GZ Secondaries would pretty much Massacre every other Ship in a 1 vs 1 Fight thanks to IFHE...... Too bad they Removed IFHE from CVs.... Spoiler Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] KillStealBoss Players 12,123 posts 62,182 battles Report post #5 Posted June 2, 2022 Heh? Well if it doesn't work for you it doesn't mean it's bad all the way. Yes it struggles more in some situations than other CVs (like Kaga or Lex) but it doesn't make the ship totally bad / useless. Imho it's less situational than Indomitable. You also struggle on Chkalov for some strange reason.... These are my 2 GZ stats (the regular which I had before I learned playing it well and the black version that I got later, surprisingly on both I have the same average dmg but in the past I wasn't winning much. On regular GZ I have the secondary build z the black is a commander from Richthofen, Lutjens). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-TPF-] invicta2012 Players 6,382 posts 26,855 battles Report post #6 Posted June 2, 2022 13 minutes ago, Praetorias said: I cannot stand this ship…. I HATE THIS SHIP……I have never, from memory, bought a premium ship and regretted it except for this piece of crap. It is beyond useless, its planes are too weak, too slow to aim, to low damage inducing, too few in number. It is literally painful playing this ship and every game leads me to want to drive it into the enemy so I can leave. Oh there are worse ones than this. Cheshire! Poltava! Florida! But I know what you mean. The fun/unique things about it don't really make up for the deficiencies. Other CVs will bring better results with less stress. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] SV_Kompresor Beta Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters 5,868 posts Report post #7 Posted June 2, 2022 1 minute ago, invicta2012 said: Oh there are worse ones than this. Cheshire! Poltava! Florida! But I know what you mean. The fun/unique things about it don't really make up for the deficiencies. Other CVs will bring better results with less stress. Poltava's alright. Not good but...she has her moments. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[GEUS] Purnylla [GEUS] Players 1,105 posts 25,180 battles Report post #8 Posted June 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Praetorias said: every game leads me to want to drive it into the enemy so I can leave. Isn't that what the Zeppelin was designed to do? xD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] Nov_A Beta Tester 1,292 posts 13,123 battles Report post #9 Posted June 2, 2022 GZ is okay but she struggles with the MM/RNG casino. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-TPF-] invicta2012 Players 6,382 posts 26,855 battles Report post #10 Posted June 2, 2022 25 minutes ago, SV_Kompresor said: Poltava's alright. Not good but...she has her moments. I know other people enjoy playing her, but I always found her gunnery frustrating - a delightful combination of wonky dispersion and irritating shell performance - their either over pen or don't pen at all. Florida was exactly the same. I have French battleships if I want that experience, and Lyon throws considerably more shells about to make up for it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[777TH] MaxGct Players 39 posts 19,335 battles Report post #11 Posted June 2, 2022 Definitely my favourite T8 CV due to its secondaries. Got a decent win rate and damage in it. It takes a decent amount of situational awareness to play it to its best potential and also benefits a huge amount from Lutjens. Like a lot of the other CVs, you also need a 21 point commander to pimp out your skills and toughen up your planes or you going to struggle. Torp bombers are super fast and deal decent damage, AP bombs a bit hit and miss but still decent while your torps reload and rockets will be a bit of a struggle like all the other rocket CVs after rework. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-OOF-] ollonborre Beta Tester 2,598 posts 12,758 battles Report post #12 Posted June 2, 2022 1 hour ago, invicta2012 said: Oh there are worse ones than this. Cheshire! Poltava! Florida! But I know what you mean. The fun/unique things about it don't really make up for the deficiencies. Other CVs will bring better results with less stress. Florida? Or is this just a coop thing because in randoms the Florida is pretty good actually. Especially if you slap Halsey on it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WWDragon Players 1,297 posts Report post #13 Posted June 2, 2022 GZ, like Saipan were victims of the CV Reeeeeeework. GZ itself is a T6 ship that WG made T8 so they could charge more for it, note how they changed its original aircraft loadout to current one ... then come the Reeeeeeeework and nerfs were GZ planes could do zoom and boom but since all planes got their speed nerfed, they cannot depend on speed alone to damage mitigate, simply put the ship is fine but the planes are crap and the ordinance is garbage but hey you get a extra plane, too bad that plane regen is terrible and low number of reserves so thats not really a plus. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MACLD] Onsterfelijke Players 993 posts 18,864 battles Report post #14 Posted June 2, 2022 2 hours ago, Purnylla said: Isn't that what the Zeppelin was designed to do? xD After they removed the Stuka sirenes it was worthless..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-TPF-] invicta2012 Players 6,382 posts 26,855 battles Report post #15 Posted June 2, 2022 1 hour ago, ollonborre said: Florida? Or is this just a coop thing because in randoms the Florida is pretty good actually. Especially if you slap Halsey on it. The range is good but it struggles to do damage. I've tried it in Narai as well and it's just not up to any of the other Tier VII BBs I have in my port (Sinop, Scharn, KGV, Nelson, Hood, Hyuga, Strasbourg, Lyon etc). I'm sure Halsey does make a difference but it's a bit like Italian ships... when every conversation about them starts with "It helps if you put Sansonetti on it" you can tell the ship lacks a bit of edge. Obvs. YMMV and if you enjoy the ship, that's great. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-OOF-] ollonborre Beta Tester 2,598 posts 12,758 battles Report post #16 Posted June 2, 2022 2 hours ago, invicta2012 said: The range is good but it struggles to do damage. I've tried it in Narai as well and it's just not up to any of the other Tier VII BBs I have in my port (Sinop, Scharn, KGV, Nelson, Hood, Hyuga, Strasbourg, Lyon etc). I'm sure Halsey does make a difference but it's a bit like Italian ships... when every conversation about them starts with "It helps if you put Sansonetti on it" you can tell the ship lacks a bit of edge. Obvs. YMMV and if you enjoy the ship, that's great. True, but even without Halsey I would still argue it's a good ship, you just need to get around that lower gun caliber. Again I suspect this might be more of an Coop/operation issue, as most ships tend to face you bow on or have really flimsy armour. In Randoms you will get those juicy volleys from time to time and the wider selection of ships that your AP can punish also helps. Def AA might be a meme but at least tier 6 CV's with medium skill level will risk getting deplaned if they rush you repetedly. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Figment Beta Tester 3,801 posts 10,499 battles Report post #17 Posted June 2, 2022 5 hours ago, Purnylla said: Isn't that what the Zeppelin was designed to do? xD That's a different game. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MORIA] Johnny_Moneto Beta Tester 2,903 posts 22,225 battles Report post #18 Posted June 3, 2022 Vor 17 Stunden, El2aZeR sagte: Don't you have some nice replays with GZ that you can upload on your channel? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RenamedUser_92906789 Players 5,828 posts Report post #19 Posted June 3, 2022 17 hours ago, MaxGct said: Definitely my favourite T8 CV due to its secondaries. Got a decent win rate and damage in it. Lets get something straight. The secondaries on any CV are designed to do only one thing. To kill off that pesky low hp dd thats trying to yolo you. And that mostly applies to low tiers. Ive seen too many potatoes who autopilot gz to enemy spawn and expect miracle secondaries. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NECRO] HARBINGER_OF_SKULLS [NECRO] Players 1,540 posts Report post #20 Posted June 3, 2022 19 hours ago, invicta2012 said: Cheshire! Poltava! Florida! Oklahoma! Genova! Yahagi! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[WCBG] BrusilovX Beta Tester 2,838 posts 23,900 battles Report post #21 Posted June 3, 2022 19 hours ago, ollonborre said: Florida? Or is this just a coop thing because in randoms the Florida is pretty good actually. Especially if you slap Halsey on it. I play Florida in co-op and don't have a problem with it - at least it's got decent speed compared to some of the other USA BBs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MIMI] Kruzenstern Beta Tester 1,133 posts 5,975 battles Report post #22 Posted June 3, 2022 2 hours ago, RenamedUser_92906789 said: Ive seen too many potatoes who autopilot gz to enemy spawn and expect miracle secondaries Prolly bad in randoms, but in Coop, doing just this is exactly what makes the GZ great! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReimuHakurei ∞ Players 157 posts 149 battles Report post #23 Posted June 3, 2022 Vor 23 Stunden, Sunleader sagte: Ahhh Good Old Times. So long ago. When AA was useless and GZ Secondaries would pretty much Massacre every other Ship in a 1 vs 1 Fight thanks to IFHE...... Too bad they Removed IFHE from CVs.... Inhalte verstecken Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sunleader Weekend Tester, In AlfaTesters 5,710 posts 13,400 battles Report post #24 Posted June 3, 2022 Just now, ReimuHakurei said: Ah. That was the 1 vs 1 Ranked Sprint. Thats been quite a while ago. Before the Captain Skill Rework that turned Graf Zeppelins Secondaries useless ^^ Since the 1 vs 1 also Included DDs. The Average Damage went pretty low ^^ 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CaravellaCaravan ∞ Players 177 posts 5,585 battles Report post #25 Posted June 3, 2022 Most fun thing about GZ is secondaries. It has one of the most accurate (if not most accurate) secondaries in game. Full secondary build in this ship is highly recommended. It is a lot of fun the watch how rushing DDs melt. It is also very effective in Co-op, possibly the best CV for Co-op. You rush into the bots and your secondaries melt them with their insane accuracy. It is possible to get more damage from secondaries than planes. I won this ship from free santa crate and i love it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
