Good news about Operations

[K82J]

Seems WG is planning to make Ops multi-tiered.

 

 

Source :

 

https://forum.worldofwarships.com/topic/255338-announced-on-discord-multi-tiered-operations/

 

This is excellent news, cant wait to see this implemented.

 

 

[HARBINGER_OF_SKULLS]

The "they will get specific bonuses" part might be another diguised live test of more awful mechanics.

[Aragathor]

Saint Thomas says "I'll believe it when I play it".

[Figment]

I want to have a reason to use my low tiers as well. :/ My Albany wants to go on pew-pew missions. There's already so many times you use the T8-T10 in Ranked, plus I'm kinda tired of pulling those ships out of port constantly for missions and Ranked, while having absolutely no reason to bring a lower tier ship. Ever. Except when you want to sit in a 5 min queue to club baby seals, of course. Which is... Never?

 

Give T2 BB players a reason to catch HE and torps play as well!

[BruceRKF]

The only "specific bonuses" I want for bots is for them to perform better. Nothing else needed.

Apart from that, glad that ops are coming back.

With submarines all but guaranteed to be a permanent addition to the game, I will have to stop playing pvp and more operations will at least give me an incentive to keep playing WoWs at all.

The most important part is the last paragraph. We'll have to play the sh** out of the operations, so WG notices that we like them. I'm game.

[Shirakami_Kon]

2 hours ago, HARBINGER_OF_SKULLS said:

The "they will get specific bonuses" part might be another diguised live test of more awful mechanics.

Yeah... That mention that they won't change the ships appearing in operations but they'll make them work to fight against tier 8's they'll allow in operations is... concerning when you consider that they are basically saying that they'll pump up some Tenryuus and Kumas to fight you in a... idk, a Mainz. Yeah.

 

But we'll see I guess.

[HMS_Kilinowski]

You misread the answer.

"We're bringing operations back, so nobody can say we failed at adapting them to the new meta. However we tweaked them to not give you consistent XP, which was our main reason for removing them. We feel that operations are not supposed to be farmed. Our plans for the future are to make operations so unrewarding that hardly anybody plays them, so we can say they were unpopular and have an excuse to not bother with them anymore. Simple truth is, we can't sell operations and we are too impatient to wait for content to create indirect revenues. So operations don't work for us. Please keep buying ships. Our special thanks go to Frank. Frank just bought 300 Euros worth of premium ships after only 10 battles. Frank we love you, keep it up."

[invicta2012]

50 minutes ago, Shirakami_Kon said:

Yeah... That mention that they won't change the ships appearing in operations but they'll make them work to fight against tier 8's they'll allow in operations is... concerning when you consider that they are basically saying that they'll pump up some Tenryuus and Kumas to fight you in a... idk, a Mainz. Yeah.

 

But we'll see I guess.

I wouldn't panic too much. The Phoenix in Narai does not behave at all like a normal Tier IV cruiser and it's fine, even challenging.  Some of those low tier boats become hard to deal with because of the constant overpens resulting from their weak armour. The other way up, too... you already can see Myoko and Mogami in Raptor Rescue, Amagi in Aegis, Izumo in Newport... and they're all Tier VI missions. Would I be any more worried about Albemarle hoving into view than Emerald? They're both made of torpedoes and tinfoil, It should balance out. Provided the lower Tier player ships get bonuses for a good performance, it sounds fun. 

[RenamedUser_92906789]

We have good ops (Narai and sort of Aegis) and then the boring ones (all the rest).

 

I wish they would not spend time on ops such as KW or defense and preferably create more like Narai ones. We want quick action packed muscle memory ops snd not boring empty ones.

[Nov_A]

So people can fail against T4 IJN bot cruisers in their Lenin and Massa?

[Procrastes]

26 minutes ago, RenamedUser_92906789 said:

We have good ops (Narai and sort of Aegis) and then the boring ones (all the rest).

 

I wish they would not spend time on ops such as KW or defense and preferably create more like Narai ones. We want quick action packed muscle memory ops snd not boring empty ones.

Given that individual opinions differ on which operations are fun or boring, I'd rather have Wargaming bring them all up to speed and put on rotation. If WG are actually serious about making operations work again - which I will believe when I see it - it would make sense to have as many ops on the roster as possible rather than trying to limit the selection.

[RenamedUser_92906789]

7 minutes ago, Procrastes said:

Given that individual opinions differ on which operations are fun or boring, I'd rather have Wargaming bring them all up to speed and put on rotation. If WG are actually serious about making operations work again - which I will believe when I see it - it would make sense to have as many ops on the roster as possible rather than trying to limit the selection.

 

Yeah the forced rotation is depressing as hell.

I play them only one week per month when Narai comes up...

[Procrastes]

22 minutes ago, RenamedUser_92906789 said:

Yeah the forced rotation is depressing as hell.

I play them only one week per month when Narai comes up...

If I'd have to make a guess about the reason for the rotation, I'd say it is probably there to reduce queuing times by ensuring that a large enough number of players are available at any given time. If that's the case, it works for me. I'd rather have one pre-selected operation available at half a minute's notice, than several that may take any number of minutes to access. (But I'm just guessing here, of course, and my estimations are pure speculation.)

[Dongi_2018]

So instead of Weimar i will pick Mainz?

[Yedwy]

6 hours ago, Aragathor said:

Saint Thomas says "I'll believe it when I play it".

This

[Karasu_Browarszky]

Good news...

 

Spoiler

 

 

[Andrewbassg]

11 hours ago, HARBINGER_OF_SKULLS said:

The "they will get specific bonuses" part might be another diguised live test of more awful mechanics.

This. WHAT is wrong with this people?? A LOT of players play operations to escape from their failed and frakkin braindead mechanics.TF they want to bring this into ops??

 

 

 

I mean....

 

 

[Andrewbassg]

6 hours ago, RenamedUser_92906789 said:

We have good ops (Narai and sort of Aegis) and then the boring ones (all the rest).

Actually I count Aegis as one of the most boring scenario. To me the top is Narai/Raptor, Newport and then the rest.

6 hours ago, RenamedUser_92906789 said:

I wish they would not spend time on ops such as KW or defense and preferably create more like Narai ones. We want quick action packed muscle memory ops snd not boring empty ones.

NEVER ASK AGAIN REMOVAL OF OPS!!!

 

Edit :Otherwise your mimimi is quite pathetic. Scenarios are good, because by them people  learn to play their ships, their usage their weaknesses and could develop tactics.

 

[Andrewbassg]

9 hours ago, HMS_Kilinowski said:

You misread the answer.

"We're bringing operations back, so nobody can say we failed at adapting them to the new meta. However we tweaked them to not give you consistent XP, which was our main reason for removing them. We feel that operations are not supposed to be farmed. Our plans for the future are to make operations so unrewarding that hardly anybody plays them, so we can say they were unpopular and have an excuse to not bother with them anymore. Simple truth is, we can't sell operations and we are too impatient to wait for content to create indirect revenues. So operations don't work for us. Please keep buying ships. Our special thanks go to Frank. Frank just bought 300 Euros worth of premium ships after only 10 battles. Frank we love you, keep it up."

One thing I learned is that I will NEVER EVER touch any game in the future which is ....hkhmmm...."developed" in St Petersburg

[Johnny_Moneto]

Vor 8 Stunden, Procrastes sagte:

If I'd have to make a guess about the reason for the rotation, I'd say it is probably there to reduce queuing times by ensuring that a large enough number of players are available at any given time. If that's the case, it works for me. I'd rather have one pre-selected operation available at half a minute's notice, than several that may take any number of minutes to access. (But I'm just guessing here, of course, and my estimations are pure speculation.)

Imagine you have a screen which lets you select which op you would like to play. You can chose any amount - it would be an opt-in feature. 

For each chosen op you'd pick a ship.

Then you'll be placed in the queue of all the ones you opted to be in.

You'd also see the queues of any unselected operation in case your ops are with low player count and you'd rather allow another op to your selection in order to reduce waiting time.

MM will place you in the first available slot of any of the chosen ops.

 

[RenamedUser_92906789]

6 hours ago, Andrewbassg said:

Actually I count Aegis as one of the most boring scenario. To me the top is Narai/Raptor, Newport and then the rest.

NEVER ASK AGAIN REMOVAL OF OPS!!!

 

Edit :Otherwise your mimimi is quite pathetic. Scenarios are good, because by them people  learn to play their ships, their usage their weaknesses and could develop tactics.

 

 

Actually its not mine.

 

Its a FACT that the vast majority plays Narai only. Have you been to operations ingame channel in the past two years? There is only people asking for Narai.

 

But I will say ok, you are right ... all ops have certain value for new players. Even if you called my post "pathetic".

[Andrewbassg]

39 minutes ago, RenamedUser_92906789 said:

 

Actually its not mine.

 

Its a FACT that the vast majority plays Narai only. Have you been to operations ingame channel in the past two years? There is only people asking for Narai.

Oh come on. We both know full well what is the reason for that. In Narai at least you can make some decent earnings without having to bust your [edited]and risk losing time, flags, camo's and fun .Unlike in Newport where even if you manage the 5 star the earnings are nothing but pathetic. And if you don't 5 star, which is kinda the likely outcome just ..... ugh.....

 

I pointed out this repeatedly. for example to Ahskance  and he kinda tried to downplay this very real issue, saying that "what I would feel as being equitable for a PvE ( i.e bot played) fixed scenario" when I yet to see him 5 starring out from Newport.

 

So quite naturally, all you will see there is "if Narai", even if this is not the players "fault"..

39 minutes ago, RenamedUser_92906789 said:

But I will say ok, you are right ... all ops have certain value for new players. Even if you called my post "pathetic".

I didn't called your post pathetic. I called out the mimimi.

[Gnirf]

19 hours ago, Figment said:

I want to have a reason to use my low tiers as well. :/ My Albany wants to go on pew-pew missions. There's already so many times you use the T8-T10 in Ranked, plus I'm kinda tired of pulling those ships out of port constantly for missions and Ranked, while having absolutely no reason to bring a lower tier ship. Ever. Except when you want to sit in a 5 min queue to club baby seals, of course. Which is... Never?

 

Give T2 BB players a reason to catch HE and torps play as well!

Tsushima mission with bot RU BBs, when?

 

Jutland mission with lots of Battleships (RN/or German on the other side) You play the other nations T3-6 and the Enemy composition changes but they are ofc 50% more.

[Figment]

17 hours ago, Gnirf said:

Tsushima mission with bot RU BBs, when?

Also including AI, not just players. :p But yeah. The one mission you could bring actual Russian ships to without being a paperweight.

 

Does need British fishing vessels though.

17 hours ago, Gnirf said:

Jutland mission with lots of Battleships (RN/or German on the other side) You play the other nations T3-6 and the Enemy composition changes but they are ofc 50% more.

That sort of thing yeah.

 

Kinda need an Ottoman fleet to fight for the Italians, Brits and Russians of the lower tiers though.

 

Unless everyone takes on the role of the Ottomans…

[Karasu_Browarszky]

A Jutland based operation, and a ... er... 'Sea of Japan' would be very welcome. Getting some radio chatter, although anachronistic, might be interesting if it featured the legendary Kamchatka as well...