Is Slava worth 63.000 research points?

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

11 minutes ago, Fastmotion said:

Can you explain why Slava is so different from other ships? If guns are so different then how different they are?

 

It's all in this topic mate.

 

To put it in single a sentence, the guns have the highest shell speed, highest penetration and best accuracy of all BBs at long range. 

[Fastmotion]

9 minutes ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

 

It's all in this topic mate.

 

To put it in single a sentence, the guns have the highest shell speed, highest penetration and best accuracy of all BBs at long range. 

I read from the Wiki page that it has like all ships weaknesses and some strong sides. Maybe that ship's strong sides makes it more suitable for special battle types i nthat case. For example maybe it is a good ship for only Ranked or only Randoms. What do you al lthink about where such ship with his weaknesses suits the best? To smaller 5 player MMs or bigger 15-memer MMs? Etc.

[Spellfire40]

33 minutes ago, Fastmotion said:

Can you explain why Slava is so different from other ships? If guns are so different then how different they are?

Pinpoint long range acuracy and stalinium magic shells. As long as you get broadsides(and can aim). if you only see bow or rears Ohio is better.

[Puffin_]

2 hours ago, Spellfire40 said:

Pinpoint long range acuracy and stalinium magic shells. As long as you get broadsides(and can aim). if you only see bow or rears Ohio is better.

You can pinpoint the superstructure if Battleship or Cruiser is bow or rear in and get good damage.

[Spellfire40]

9 minutes ago, Puffin_ said:

You can pinpoint the superstructure if Battleship or Cruiser is bow or rear in and get good damage.

Well it gets less acurate the nearer you get ? or some thing like that at 12 to 15 km you aim more for the ship and less for its parts? With its overmatchable bow you do not want to get that close negates the point of stalinium not caring for airdrag or penetration dropoff (much) .. Still need one reset to get her. Or buring free exp thogh im not that big a fan of ru ships so id probably get Hayate and a few Superships 1st. Ohio is higher on the my list anyhow.

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

2 hours ago, Fastmotion said:

 What do you al lthink about where such ship with his weaknesses suits the best? To smaller 5 player MMs or bigger 15-memer MMs? Etc.

 

The 406mm caliber cannot overmatch as many armor plantings as other BBs at TX. This means you need people to show you some side. That is more likely in matches with more players, where it will be less likely that all of them will pay attention to you. 

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

30 minutes ago, Spellfire40 said:

Well it gets less acurate the nearer you get ?

 

There is not a single ship in the game that gets less accurate when you get closer. 

 

It simply gets less accurate in comparison to other BBs. But it gets more accurate when getting closer nonetheless. 

 

30 minutes ago, Spellfire40 said:

With its overmatchable bow you do not want to get that close negates the point of stalinium not caring for airdrag or penetration dropoff (much) 

 

In the late game you go brawling with it of course. At a slight angle you can still tank a lot of stuff. 

[tocqueville8]

41 minutes ago, Spellfire40 said:

Well it gets less acurate the nearer you get ?

 

Only in comparison to other BBs.

 

The horizontal dispersion in this game goes something like A * distance + B, where A and B are parameters that are somewhat constant along the same ship line, but have exceptions for premiums, battlecruisers, etc. For instance:

• German, French, British, Italian and American BBs have about the same A and B
• the Japanese have larger B, so a bigger dispersion at point-blank range (where distance = 0), but smaller A, so it grows more slowly with increasing distance
• the Soviet tech tree BB line is the reverse (small B, large A), so it's optimized for brawling
• the Slava is an extreme version of what IJN BBs have: the largest B parameter, the smallest A parameter

As I understand, the vertical dispersion formulas haven't been made public by WG, but the Slava is outstanding in that regard, as well.

[Fastmotion]

I understand that Slava is not good for the Ranked Gold League because it needs enemies to show more broad side but that you get msotly in Randoms.

 

[Spellfire40]

39 minutes ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

 

There is not a single ship in the game that gets less accurate when you get closer. 

It simply gets less accurate in comparison to other BBs. But it gets more accurate when getting closer nonetheless. 

In the late game you go brawling with it of course. At a slight angle you can still tank a lot of stuff. 

 

Yea but its overall layout isnt really suited for geting close and dirty. if played at range and left alone for most of the game any near full hp ship can make a diference even when not in its most suited enviroment in late game if you have enogh Hp left at that point. No sense in borderhuging when you one of few ships left and caps need to be fliped or defended. Even the worst outguned DD can win a game by breaking stealth and reseting a cap instead of just leting the enemy win my default.

 

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

24 minutes ago, Fastmotion said:

I understand that Slava is not good for the Ranked Gold League because it needs enemies to show more broad side but that you get msotly in Randoms.

 

Get Ohio for Ranked. 

 

Apart from that, I don't have to tell you that people in Ranked Gold are actually not better than people in Randoms, as one can progress in Ranked even on a bad WR. 

[Fastmotion]

6 minutes ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

 

Get Ohio for Ranked. 

 

Apart from that, I don't have to tell you that people in Ranked Gold are actually not better than people in Randoms, as you can progress in Ranked even on a bad WR. 

In Randoms i wouldn't use any expensice or rare ships but in the upper Ranked Gold i would.

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

Guys, you are being trolled. I would insert the fastmotion [edited] bingo card, but they deleted the thread unfortunately and I can't find it anymore. But when he tells you to look for a guru or that he has never lost an argument in his life, you will know.

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

1 hour ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

But when he tells you to look for a guru or that he has never lost an argument in his life, you will know.

 

The guy who doesn't understand that there is no direct correlation between baseXP and good play? The same guy who keeps insisting that only good players are in "Ranked Gold", even though he got there losing more games than he won, just by spamming a massive amount of games?

 

He is simply ignoring any reasonable argument that doesn't suit him.

This comes together with a serious lack of self-reflection. 

 

I think nonetheless, that it is only fair to still provide him with reasonable answers to his questions. How else is he supposed to get better?

[Shirakami_Kon]

1 hour ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

Guys, you are being trolled. I would insert the fastmotion [edited] bingo card, but they deleted the thread unfortunately and I can't find it anymore. But when he tells you to look for a guru or that he has never lost an argument in his life, you will know.

 

No need to thank me.

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

2 hours ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

I think nonetheless, that it is only fair to still provide him with reasonable answers to his questions. How else is he supposed to get better?

I believe in humanity and thus I assume for his sake that he is a troll. No sane person can spew these amounts of asinine BS.

[ollonborre]

16 hours ago, Fastmotion said:

In Randoms i wouldn't use any expensice or rare ships but in the upper Ranked Gold i would.

And why would you not use them in randoms?

 

On topic, Ohio is again more likely the overall better option for all game modes, as the flexibility and carry potential is greater. But Slava certainly looks like it can be fun with that gun power.

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

55 minutes ago, ollonborre said:

And why would you not use them in randoms?

 

On topic, Ohio is again more likely the overall better option for all game modes, as the flexibility and carry potential is greater. But Slava certainly looks like it can be fun with that gun power.

 

Yep. Ohio is arguably the most versatile BB in the game. 

But that is also why I find it boring. I want specialist ships.

 

As I said before, for me Slava is a specialist you want to buy for the enjoyment of rail guns. 

[Fastmotion]

1 hour ago, ollonborre said:

And why would you not use them in randoms?

If you already have such expensive rare ships then you can of cause use them everywhere once you have bought such ships.

But before buying such ship if the plan is to use it for randoms then it doesn't sound reasonable.

It is like buying a bycycly for 5000 money and then using it in going to the shop. If you have 5000 money then fine but in Wows it is very difficult to get the money and time to obtain such rare ships like Slava. I plan to play 1 such rare ship but i clearly plan to use it only in upper Ranked Gold league. In Randoms i will use standard ships which suits there better.

There is no need to have the same opinion. Our dialogue helps others so no need to changer our different understandings.

[Spellfire40]

1 hour ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

 

Yep. Ohio is arguably the most versatile BB in the game. 

But that is also why I find it boring. I want specialist ships.

 

As I said before, for me Slava is a specialist you want to buy for the enjoyment of rail guns. 

Agree nothing more frustrating than landing the perfect salvo only to make the enemy ship wet. Too bad its RU and just another vodka dream that got pulled from a letter bottle that washed ashore an found by Igor WGs trusted looking for ship scematics scavenger .

[ollonborre]

34 minutes ago, Fastmotion said:

If you already have such expensive rare ships then you can of cause use them everywhere once you have bought such ships.

But before buying such ship if the plan is to use it for randoms then it doesn't sound reasonable.

It is like buying a bycycly for 5000 money and then using it in going to the shop. If you have 5000 money then fine but in Wows it is very difficult to get the money and time to obtain such rare ships like Slava. I plan to play 1 such rare ship but i clearly plan to use it only in upper Ranked Gold league. In Randoms i will use standard ships which suits there better.

There is no need to have the same opinion. Our dialogue helps others so no need to changer our different understandings.

Your analogy breaks down a bit though, because in this game you also gain XP, credits and captain training by playing those resource ships. So regardless of reason you buy it most people still play it in every game mode for fun and grinding. Sure I bought the Småland for competative use, bit I still play it in randoms because it is a powerful and fun ship to play.

 

But let's not derail this much further.

[Spellfire40]

1 hour ago, Fastmotion said:

If you already have such expensive rare ships then you can of cause use them everywhere once you have bought such ships.

But before buying such ship if the plan is to use it for randoms then it doesn't sound reasonable.

It is like buying a bycycly for 5000 money and then using it in going to the shop. If you have 5000 money then fine but in Wows it is very difficult to get the money and time to obtain such rare ships like Slava. I plan to play 1 such rare ship but i clearly plan to use it only in upper Ranked Gold league. In Randoms i will use standard ships which suits there better.

There is no need to have the same opinion. Our dialogue helps others so no need to changer our different understandings.

Dont makes sense? nobody geting a reseach ship that has enogh points for the T10 is in the "im so poor" category. You have to reset either lines a copple of time or has heaptons of free exp and credits.(others than allready have PR in habor and geting her again when she gets to the dock again soon thogh id rather get shiki, Stalingrad or FdR for that)

[Fastmotion]

4 minutes ago, Spellfire40 said:

Dont makes sense? nobody geting a reseach ship that has enogh points for the T10 is in the "im so poor" category. You have to reset either lines a copple of time or has heaptons of free exp and credits.(others than allready have PR in habor and geting her again when she gets to the dock again soon thogh id rather get shiki, Stalingrad or FdR for that)

The example ships that you mention sound a more appropriate choice than Slava.

I understand the resetting and have even made a tutorial about it to my personal forum. Resetting is a difficult and expensive process and i don't think that it is reasonable to obtain a ship like Slava. I would go more to such ships that you mentioned and to some others that are more useful in the gold league.

[KratosTheUnforgiving]

Slava/Thunderer, depends if you like sitting at max range, sniping and not really getting involved in a game, Ohio, almost in same club but you can push forward and have bit of a gun fight.

[Spellfire40]

4 hours ago, Fastmotion said:

The example ships that you mention sound a more appropriate choice than Slava.

I understand the resetting and have even made a tutorial about it to my personal forum. Resetting is a difficult and expensive process and i don't think that it is reasonable to obtain a ship like Slava. I would go more to such ships that you mentioned and to some others that are more useful in the gold league.

Problem is thats a very specific situation since they are steel ships if i understood what you get if you dockyard PR again. Depends on the player i personally get only steel from missions since i usally dont do ranked or other specal modes were you gain Steel. For others geting research points/free exp/credits  is more of a hassle compared to steel. Especally when credits geting sucked up by superships.