Is Slava worth 63.000 research points?

[Puffin_]

I got OHIO and was grinding for Slava.

But now when I got the points I am hesitating.

Is Slava worth it.

Maybe Thunderer is just better than Slava

[Aragathor]

I'm in a similar boat. But I'm contemplating saving my RB points for later instead of buying Slava.

[imoenbg1]

Is Slava worth it? Yes....

 

Are you gonna enjoy playing her? Comes down to playstyle....

Is she similar to Thunderer? I find both ships different but I can see how you can think of this.

 

Considering there arent many other decent options in RB - what are you gonna spend your points on otherwise ?:)

[Puffin_]

39 minutes ago, imoenbg1 said:

Is Slava worth it? Yes....

 

Are you gonna enjoy playing her? Comes down to playstyle....

Is she similar to Thunderer? I find both ships different but I can see how you can think of this.

 

Considering there arent many other decent options in RB - what are you gonna spend your points on otherwise ?:)

I was hoping for a good T9 DD in the future

 

[Leo_Apollo11]

Hi all,

 

1 hour ago, Puffin_ said:

I got OHIO and was grinding for Slava.

But now when I got the points I am hesitating.

Is Slava worth it.

Maybe Thunderer is just better than Slava

 

1 hour ago, Aragathor said:

I'm in a similar boat. But I'm contemplating saving my RB points for later instead of buying Slava.

 

Same here... I have "Ohio" and have 67.000 "Research Points" unused... still undecided...

 

Get "Slava" or wait for something new coming up ("Sevastopol")?

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"

 

[ghostbuster_]

1 hour ago, Puffin_ said:

I got OHIO and was grinding for Slava.

But now when I got the points I am hesitating.

Is Slava worth it.

Maybe Thunderer is just better than Slava

Thunderer is boring to play but imo better than slava. We might even call her broken.

 

But slava is definitely worth getting.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

Personally, I was disappointed with Slava, but that's maybe just me. Haven't tried it out lately, though.

 

Tried it out...  the problems were many, the guns are unreliable (IMO) at long ranges, possibly better around 17 to 21 km range. Most of the time you don't see the ships that you want to fire (they blink in and out), but somehow they see you..., and if you do it's tricky to try to lead your shots and hope the target does not mysteriously stop, reverse, or turn on a dime.

 

Or go behind a rock....

 

I couldn't do much damage as you can see. Doesn't, of course, mean that somebody else could not do better.

 

 

[SolanumTuberosumRex]

3 hours ago, Puffin_ said:

I got OHIO and was grinding for Slava.

But now when I got the points I am hesitating.

Is Slava worth it.

Maybe Thunderer is just better than Slava

Thunderer can't be had anymore except maybe round Xmas. You can still get Slava. She has way better accuracy than Thunderer, and better pen, but less overmatch.

Regardless, it's not like you could choose between Slava and Thunderer.

[Wulf_Ace]

39 minutes ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

Personally, I was disappointed with Slava, but that's maybe just me. Haven't tried it out lately, though.

 

Tried it out...  the problems were many, the guns are unreliable (IMO) at long ranges, possibly better around 17 to 21 km range. Most of the time you don't see the ships that you want to fire (they blink in and out), but somehow they see you..., and if you do it's tricky to try to lead your shots and hope the target does not mysteriously stop, reverse, or turn on a dime.

 

Or go behind a rock....

 

I couldn't do much damage as you can see. Doesn't, of course, mean that somebody else could not do better.

 

 

didnt they say its the most accurate BB?

[Karasu_Browarszky]

9 minutes ago, Wulf_Ace said:

didnt they say its the most accurate BB?

 

I don't know. Could be, it was supposed to be a 'sniper BB' IIRC. I don't see it being any more accurate than the others, though. Possibly not any worse either, but the problem seems to be that you can't effectively use it at those extreme ranges. I seem to recall something about the dispersion being better at certain ranges, but are those ranges the optimal ranges considering the maps and the game mechanics we have.

[Wulf_Ace]

Just now, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

I don't know. Could be, it was supposed to be a 'sniper BB' IIRC. I don't see it being any more accurate than the others, though. Possibly not any worse either, but the problem seems to be that you can't effectively use it at those extreme ranges. I seem to recall something about the dispersion being better at certain ranges, but are those ranges the optimal ranges considering the maps and the game mechanics we have.

is his armor like Kremlin, can you brawl?

[Karasu_Browarszky]

1 minute ago, Wulf_Ace said:

is his armor like Kremlin, can you brawl?

 

 

 

Citadel armor is 350 mm, same as midships torpedo belt (forward belt is 370). Kremlin has 410 and 430 respectively...

[Arrive_Alive]

8 minutes ago, Wulf_Ace said:

is his armor like Kremlin, can you brawl?

 

She has good protection on the broadside so you can tank with that, since most BBs can't citadel her as long as you keep your range. About 18km ships like Montana or Colombo will already struggle getting pens on her broadside as long as she's slightly angled. Bow and stern armor is garbage and you get overmatched even by 380s. So pushing and brawling is not recommended unless you have to.

 

Overall Slava lacks consistency. If the enemy is garbage and sailing broadside you can print citadels in her. Against angled targets she struggles because only 27mm overmatch capability and bad DPM - so she can be frustrating at times. General random battle quality is so bad you mostly get your targets tho.

 

 

[tocqueville8]

On 5/13/2022 at 7:45 PM, Puffin_ said:

I got OHIO and was grinding for Slava.

But now when I got the points I am hesitating.

Is Slava worth it.

Maybe Thunderer is just better than Slava

 

I just got her the other day, and maybe I'm still in a sort of "honeymoon" period, but I find the guns to be amazing

 

Ohio and Thunderer are also accurate, in fact they have slightly better sigma, and the turret traverse is a lot better, but the shells take way longer to reach the target and they have worse penetration (for several reasons).

In practical terms, it's very tricky to snipe in the Ohio (I don't have the Thunderer, but I noticed she too has floaty shells), whereas Slava will reliably give you hits at range, just because the reaction time for her targets is cut down to a minimum.

I'm not talking Dev Strikes at 25 km, I'm talking 10-25k damage every time you get some broadside. I've citadelled a straightlining Ohio twice in the same game, at 20 km. I'm sure I would've lead too little had it been the other way around, and I don't think a citadel hit would've even been possible.

 

Slava looks to me like the strongest BB for the early game...and every game has an early game.

The Ohio is surely better for brawling and carrying later on, but the Slava gives you a big early lead if you know what you're doing. She reminds me of the Shikishima when we had Dead Eye: not a good ship for pushing, but one that would slap people around in the opening, doing maybe 70-90k in the first 6 minutes, and intimidating cruisers and BBs away from caps, so their DDs would get less support.

In the Ohio, if you try to open up early, you often get outtraded by other BBs because of your slow shells, so you'd rather stay silent until you reach a forward position where you can set up a midrange fight. In the Slava, you're a lot more confident from the opening, which is...refreshing.

 

Beware though: the Slava needs an open field of fire, and maps with tall islands in the middle can give her trouble. I've done well on Islands of Ice, Warrior's Path, Okinawa, Bees to Honey...but I don't believe I've played her on Shatter yet, and I'm not looking forward to it.

 

Again, take this with a grain of salt: the ship is still new for me. However, I think she seems both competitive (in Randoms) and unique in playstyle, so I'd say "go for it".

 

Cheers

 

(I'd still take Colbert before her, though)

[OldSchoolFrankie]

Especially if you have opponents who don't know the game very well, you can have a lot of fun with the Slava. I play her mostly on weekends..

I think she's worth it.

[tocqueville8]

39 minutes ago, Wulf_Ace said:

is his armor like Kremlin, can you brawl?

 

No and absolutely don't even think about it.

 

Kremlin has:

• deck armor that will shatter most cruiser-caliber HE shells
• standard 32 mm bow/stern plating, which only Yamato, Incomparable, etc. can overmatch
• an icebreaker that no one can overmatch (and will also shatter a lot of HE)

 

Slava has:

• a weak 32 mm deck (same as British and French), that melts under cruiser-caliber HE (light cruisers and IJN gunboats need IFHE)
• a pathetic 25 mm bow/stern plating, which almost every BB she'll face will overmatch; the only exceptions are Odin and Brandenburg, it seems
• no icebreaker, only a little bit of extended belt.

 

And that's not to mention the hp difference. Kremlin is a heavy tank, Slava is a tank destroyer, or something along those lines...

[nerderklaus]

Don't forget the special, hidden plate against bow citas

[Animalul2012]

It is pretty good in randoms as long as you can find a BROADSIDE target with a EASY to reach CITADEL. 

AA is again quite good,13.2 minimum concealment and....thats where the pros end.

You have horrible armor, dont be surprised when a GK with 406 doubles citadel you from 20km or eating 15-20k salvos bow in. The DPM is garbage, the alpha is junk and her counterings are trash. You will cry when you meat someone who knows how to angle and you cant overmatch him or just a small piece of him. Slava is an anti noob ship but that is something that Vermont can do and it does not rely on citadels to do damage and it can overmatch much more. 

Oh yeah if the enemy WASDQE keys work you are screwed, you will wish you were in a soyuz or even vladivostok.

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

1 hour ago, Animalul2012 said:

It is pretty good in randoms as long as you can find a BROADSIDE target with a EASY to reach CITADEL. 

 

In Randoms there are a lot of broadsiding people and the high shell speed and penetration at range are great to make use of that. 

 

1 hour ago, Animalul2012 said:

You have horrible armor, dont be surprised when a GK with 406 doubles citadel you from 20km or eating 15-20k salvos bow in. 

 

The citadel protection is the same as on Kremlin. So you are actually quite safe at 20km.

 

The soft nose is not an issue most of the time, since you cannot eat citadels through that and you try to stay at medium to long range anyway. 

 

1 hour ago, Animalul2012 said:

Slava is an anti noob ship but that is something that Vermont can do and it does not rely on citadels to do damage and it can overmatch much more. 

 

Apart from the fact that Vermont can only dream of the long range shell speed and penetration that Slava has. 

 

1 hour ago, Animalul2012 said:

Oh yeah if the enemy WASDQE keys work you are screwed, you will wish you were in a soyuz or even vladivostok.

 

Well, I'm Randoms there are usually always broadsides somewhere. Don't forget that these guns are effective even at max range. 

[COPlUM]

If you get ohio cuz it's actually good, the other options are all about what you think could be fun. I got slava last week, got a triple citadel on a yamato 22km away, i lold, so it's fun and therefor worth it. It's not a particularly strong ship though in the sense that if your opponent is running the brain.exe mod, he angles and you're an iowa without armor.

[Panocek]

16 hours ago, Wulf_Ace said:

didnt they say its the most accurate BB?

Accuracy works both ways. If your aim is off, you WILL put majority of salvo into the water and/or it will miss 25/27mm bit of plating and ricochet off 30mm section. Then there is issue of target dodging your shots, as despite how "bussian rias" she have for railguns, we're still talking about 9s flight time at 18km. Enough for nimbler targets to evade or greatly diminish effectiveness of your shots.

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

To me it just comes down to the question whether you like rail guns. 

 

Because if you like rail guns, there is no way around Slava (and Stalingrad for that matter). 

[SolanumTuberosumRex]

16 hours ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

I don't know. Could be, it was supposed to be a 'sniper BB' IIRC. I don't see it being any more accurate than the others, though. Possibly not any worse either, but the problem seems to be that you can't effectively use it at those extreme ranges. I seem to recall something about the dispersion being better at certain ranges, but are those ranges the optimal ranges considering the maps and the game mechanics we have.

Slava has the best vertical dispersion by some margin, and also very good horizontal dispersion. Good sigma too, but the best things are her drag coefficient and her pen, which make it both easier to hit things at range and easier to pen.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

2 hours ago, PsychoClownfish said:

Slava has the best vertical dispersion by some margin, and also very good horizontal dispersion. Good sigma too, but the best things are her drag coefficient and her pen, which make it both easier to hit things at range and easier to pen.

 

Could very well be, I just run into a couple of problems, as is the case usually... My aim is not 100% reliable at all angles, and my ability to gauge the enemy ship speed is not perfect. Add to that the fact that my pings vary between like 40 to 200 or so, depending on server/connection issues so the latency makes it harder to hit as well... it's like the ship is not always where I see it, in other words because very often a salvo aimed at the front turrets ends up hitting the stern (if at all). These problems become more marked as the range increases, of course, which is factor with Slava. As I mentioned earlier, many of the ships I try to shoot also 'blink' in and out because they are not spotted by any of my team mates.

[SolanumTuberosumRex]

17 hours ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

Could very well be, I just run into a couple of problems, as is the case usually... My aim is not 100% reliable at all angles, and my ability to gauge the enemy ship speed is not perfect. Add to that the fact that my pings vary between like 40 to 200 or so, depending on server/connection issues so the latency makes it harder to hit as well... it's like the ship is not always where I see it, in other words because very often a salvo aimed at the front turrets ends up hitting the stern (if at all). These problems become more marked as the range increases, of course, which is factor with Slava. As I mentioned earlier, many of the ships I try to shoot also 'blink' in and out because they are not spotted by any of my team mates.

High ping is a killer to long range accuracy. And there's not much you can do about it. I play on WiFi at the moment and it sucks, ethernet cables are a vast improvement.

What type of crosshair do you use? I've learned to use a dynamic one. It took me a while to not have to think about it but it's really helped my aim now that I'm familiar with it.