CV FAN ONLY ( Bring back Enterprise )

[BLUB__BLUB]

1 hour ago, Lootboxer said:

WG showed by accident not a long ago with a comprehensive data sheets after subs testing that CVs have only slightly lower damage then BBs with 3x as high spotting as DDs and you still think that it would be BBs would go under nerf hammer first???

There's the problem though. While DDs perform their task when spotting, and get rewarded, CVs do not get rewarded for spotting much.

It would be much better to just nerf CV spotting to minimap only, because the only reward they get for it is negative karma. 

As for average damage output, actually it is quite pathetic that a CV doe not outperform a BB by a mile - considering the "ease of delivery". 

Imagine a BB going, oh crap that cruiser is steering left, let's change the trajectory... 

[Lootboxer]

3 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

CVs do not get rewarded for spotting much.

You do get salt, and happy teammates stealing kills when your bombs or torps are about to connect with low hp target.

 

[BLUB__BLUB]

1 hour ago, Lootboxer said:

You do get salt, and happy teammates stealing kills when your bombs or torps are about to connect with low hp target.

Yes indeed. Still I got 7 kills in a Ryujo... you guessed it, all my teammates were dead. 

[GeniusMage]

Il y a 3 heures, Lootboxer a dit :

situational awareness, good positioning, angling, using islands, speed juking,  kitting etc and most of all by concealment, all this gets countered by CV spotting by the way.

Out of concealment, all of them can be used against CVs. That is for BBs. For DDs, concealment also works.

 

Il y a 3 heures, Lootboxer a dit :

As a DD in a CV game I am getting much much less spotting damage and less spotted ribbons because Cv does both much better, so no, DD does not do initial spotting, Cv does it better too.

Initial spotting doesn't really matter here. DDs will maintain the enemy spotted after a wing is done. This also helps the CV find targets as it can't single-handedly kep the enemy lit up forever.

Sure it means a lot of the spotting damage gets transferred from the DD to the CV (being the closest and all that), but that doesn't mean CV does spotting better. Russian CVs for example aren't good at it.

 

Il y a 3 heures, Lootboxer a dit :

playing around them is not fun

But what has that to do with balance ?

 

Il y a 3 heures, Lootboxer a dit :

some ships are not designed and balanced around CVs in game.

If it's very specific ships, they can always receive changes, instead of wanting to change an entire class.

Of course, historically, CVs were the big thing that changed the way naval warfare was done.

Which leads to some quite big irony in the community. People want DDs to hunt subs as they historically did, but they don't want CVs to perform as they did historically.

 

Il y a 3 heures, Lootboxer a dit :

It's not that better clans can't adapt to CVs, it is that game gets so boing, stale and predictive with limited options

Isn't that the whole problem of any competitive game ever ?

If they weren't banned, people would spam Petro/Stalin constantly. That's just how metas work.

If you watch KOTS, it is pretty stale and boring gameplay. That's the nature of high level gameplay unfortunately.

 

Il y a 3 heures, Lootboxer a dit :

But what can you know about it with a few TX games only? It's all new to you.

Nice gatekeeping.

You may have forgotten but, you don't need to play Tier X to play in games with Tier X ships.

I personally hate playing in Tier X ships (bar a few exceptions), and have much more fun being in Tier IX, even bottom tier (even against superships).

I still know how to and how to not play at that level.

[HassenderZerhacker]

On 5/13/2022 at 7:17 PM, Skywalker_369 said:

some kids cry about CVs.  this is disrespect us and an unforgiven insult to CV players.

lol

really ?

I guess I'm part of "some kids".

I stopped playing completely, so I don't give your types practice targets to farm.

I hope most people do the same so you will be left just CV players vs CV players. And subs of course.

 

[Chaoskraehe]

Vor 19 Stunden, Cammo1962 sagte:

Same would Asashio, Kagero aka the cake roll, HSF Harekaze, Akizuki and AL Yukikaze 

Akizuki has workable AA, for what it is worth. The IJN gun DD's have at least AA that can shoot down one or two planes. 

[Dutchy_2019]

35 minutes ago, GeniusMage said:

Out of concealment, all of them can be used against CVs. That is for BBs. For DDs, concealment also works.

 

Initial spotting doesn't really matter here. DDs will maintain the enemy spotted after a wing is done. This also helps the CV find targets as it can't single-handedly kep the enemy lit up forever.

Sure it means a lot of the spotting damage gets transferred from the DD to the CV (being the closest and all that), but that doesn't mean CV does spotting better. Russian CVs for example aren't good at it.

 

But what has that to do with balance ?

 

If it's very specific ships, they can always receive changes, instead of wanting to change an entire class.

Of course, historically, CVs were the big thing that changed the way naval warfare was done.

Which leads to some quite big irony in the community. People want DDs to hunt subs as they historically did, but they don't want CVs to perform as they did historically.

 

Part of balancing is making sure as many people in the game have fun, so they will be returning and keep playing. If you have a class that is only fun to play (say, CV or subs) but incredibly frustrating to play against, many people will simply play less than before, or quit the game. And yes, with submarines around, I have stopped playing and had the fun sucked out of me. Double CV games are no fun to play in either.

 

 

The irony being that if CV's were even close to historical, other than spotting, they would do VERY little, at least against warships.

Likewise, CV's would burn like no tomorrow, not be able to launch aircraft when on fire and in bad weather, and far easier to sink in general than they are now. 

 

CVs were mostly effective because of the spotting (or rather, giving general direction/indication of spotting, the equivalent of mini-map spotting, not the real time on the map spotting). They were pretty much only effective against enemy ships when massed (i.e. multiple ships combined) and there was a VERY long time between attack, and often the enemy was pretty much completely stationary when they had a real impact.

Their other big impact was on their ability to interdict supply - targeting unwieldy, no AA and SLOW freighters.

 

 

[Nibenay78]

4 hours ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

It would be much better to just nerf CV spotting to minimap only, because the only reward they get for it is negative karma. 

The negative karma comes from simply showing on the team at countdown.

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

On 5/13/2022 at 2:17 PM, Skywalker_369 said:

Hello Everyone with  respect to all other players but  this Topic is only for CV players and CV fans.

 

as we see first we are removed from Clan battles and now no CV in brawl . 

CVs are part of this game , and i only play this game for playing CV . there is no reason WG remove us from everywhere becuase some kids cry about CVs.  this is disrespect us and an unforgiven insult to CV players.

 

1. we request to bring back Enterprise to premium shop

2. Do not remove CV from Clan battles and brawls

3.Nerf AA guns or make them manual control

4.add more CV supership  

5.make some Buffs to all CV 

Why the F are you playing the worst planes in the business if all you want is fly planes? 

[Skywalker_369]

2 minutes ago, Europizza said:

Why the F are you playing one of the worst planes in the business if all you want is fly planes? 

im intrested in naval battles and CVs are part of that 

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

14 hours ago, Skywalker_369 said:

im intrested in naval battles and CVs are part of that 

I would be offended if I was truely interested in cariers in naval battles. These carriers gameplay is modeled more after mario kart then they are after RL carriers. They are an insult to RL carriers.

[Nibenay78]

4 minutes ago, Europizza said:

I would be offended if I was truely interested in cariers in naval battles. These carriers are modeled more after mario kart then they are after RL carriers. They are an insult to RL carriers.

TooT says the lemming train.

[FukushuNL]

On 5/13/2022 at 2:17 PM, Skywalker_369 said:

Hello Everyone with  respect to all other players but  this Topic is only for CV players and CV fans.

 

as we see first we are removed from Clan battles and now no CV in brawl . 

CVs are part of this game , and i only play this game for playing CV . there is no reason WG remove us from everywhere becuase some kids cry about CVs.  this is disrespect us and an unforgiven insult to CV players.

 

1. we request to bring back Enterprise to premium shop

2. Do not remove CV from Clan battles and brawls

3.Nerf AA guns or make them manual control

4.add more CV supership  

5.make some Buffs to all CV 

Exactly a post a CV player would make. Taking the one brokenly OP weapon out of the whole arsenal like every 3 year old gamer and still begging for buffs. 

 

And no, it might not be OP, damage wise, but it breaks the game on almost all other points.

 

On 5/13/2022 at 2:30 PM, ReDiR20 said:

Some buffs would be fitting, right now it's the most difficult class to play well

 

Most difficult class? 

-which class spots the whole map easier?

-which class can move across the map faster and easier?

-which class can attack targets behind mountains? 

-Which class has not have to aim shots 3+ km away from any ship?

-which class can attack from immunity while having his actual ship savely on the other side of the map? 

-which ship does not have to care about committting to a map sector because it's hull doesn't have to move and it's planes are everywhere in 20-30 seconds? 

-when a CV attacks any other ship, which of the two can receive damage and which of the two can't receive damage? And no, plane damage is not hull damage.

 

All these d*mned spoiled CV players thinking they have it hard. You know what CV players are? Cowards. If they were so brave, they'd take their actual ship into battle with them. But no, they can only play a "ship" class where they park the thing that can actually get them killed if destroyed almost in another map (if they could, they would) and from that safety bother other people with respawnable drones that on top of everything can spot for them, can attack from all sides an do more than enough damage. They got "remote shells" that can drop torpedos, for Julio's sake! 

 

Does nobody understand how broken this is in a game where the rest of the ships have to get their actual hull into combat, a hull that if you go into one direction does not turn around in mere seconds, does not accelerate and surely does not stop within at least the first minute. A game where every other ship has to actually aim and hope that their target will still sail towards the spot they aimed at when their shells/torps arrive.

 

And here these privileged by WG flying monkeys (because WG is too lazy to fix what they break) with their OP broken class with game mechanics that totally don't fit into the core of the game want their toys (can't call it ships, as they park their actual ship in a vault far away from danger if they could) that already can dobeverything surface ships can not to be even more powerfull. 

 

CVs have already taken the use of the concealment stat away, including tactics like flanking and crossfire and broken  spotting and risk/reward gameplay. How much more fun do you intend to suck out of the game for those that want to play the game as intended? Just because WG implemented CVs as the broken class they are and give F all to fix them does not make them fit in thos game, let alone come anywhere close to balanced or underpowered.

[Skywalker_369]

1 hour ago, FukushuNL said:

Exactly a post a CV player would make. Taking the one brokenly OP weapon out of the whole arsenal like every 3 year old gamer and still begging for buffs. 

 

And no, it might not be OP, damage wise, but it breaks the game on almost all other points.

 

 

Most difficult class? 

-which class spots the whole map easier?

-which class can move across the map faster and easier?

-which class can attack targets behind mountains? 

-Which class has not have to aim shots 3+ km away from any ship?

-which class can attack from immunity while having his actual ship savely on the other side of the map? 

-which ship does not have to care about committting to a map sector because it's hull doesn't have to move and it's planes are everywhere in 20-30 seconds? 

-when a CV attacks any other ship, which of the two can receive damage and which of the two can't receive damage? And no, plane damage is not hull damage.

 

All these d*mned spoiled CV players thinking they have it hard. You know what CV players are? Cowards. If they were so brave, they'd take their actual ship into battle with them. But no, they can only play a "ship" class where they park the thing that can actually get them killed if destroyed almost in another map (if they could, they would) and from that safety bother other people with respawnable drones that on top of everything can spot for them, can attack from all sides an do more than enough damage. They got "remote shells" that can drop torpedos, for Julio's sake! 

 

Does nobody understand how broken this is in a game where the rest of the ships have to get their actual hull into combat, a hull that if you go into one direction does not turn around in mere seconds, does not accelerate and surely does not stop within at least the first minute. A game where every other ship has to actually aim and hope that their target will still sail towards the spot they aimed at when their shells/torps arrive.

 

And here these privileged by WG flying monkeys (because WG is too lazy to fix what they break) with their OP broken class with game mechanics that totally don't fit into the core of the game want their toys (can't call it ships, as they park their actual ship in a vault far away from danger if they could) that already can dobeverything surface ships can not to be even more powerfull. 

 

CVs have already taken the use of the concealment stat away, including tactics like flanking and crossfire and broken  spotting and risk/reward gameplay. How much more fun do you intend to suck out of the game for those that want to play the game as intended? Just because WG implemented CVs as the broken class they are and give F all to fix them does not make them fit in thos game, let alone come anywhere close to balanced or underpowered.

sadly you need to learn more about CVs .   read this mate  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_carrier

[Skywalker_369]

3 hours ago, Dutchy_2019 said:

 

 Double CV games are no fun to play in either

 

believe me those games are so [edited]fun  :))

[Cammo1962]

14 hours ago, Skywalker_369 said:

sadly you need to learn more about CVs .   read this mate  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_carrier

And that is not how they operate in World of Warships mate.

[JohnMac79]

6 hours ago, GeniusMage said:

People want DDs to hunt subs as they historically did, but they don't want CVs to perform as they did historically.

 

I dont want subs in the game at all, because they ruin it. I dont care about history.

 

I also dont want CV in the game at all, because they ruin it. I dont care about history, neither do WG.

 

This is nothing to do with history, at all, its a game (an arcade game at that) and it is supposed to be fun.

[Spellfire40]

On 5/13/2022 at 7:53 PM, Verblonde said:

Doesn't one of the 'rewards for beta testers' ships have actually zero AA? Arkansas, perhaps? Too lazy to look it up...

Well akansas stick is that she has the full range of equipment slots for a T10 BB. AA dont really matters thogh Kotoris T3 Fighter or Yubaris T4 def aa dont do much to protect you from a airstrike either.

[Nibenay78]

3 hours ago, Skywalker_369 said:

sadly you need to learn more about CVs .   read this mate  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_carrier

It's really useful to use RL wikipedia to pretend to explain things in a game.

[Lootboxer]

7 hours ago, GeniusMage said:

Out of concealment, all of them can be used against CVs. That is for BBs. For DDs, concealment also works.

You do not realise that CV can create instant crossfire, do you? That good tactics against surface ships are CV are so different that you have to choose often one lesser evil?

 

Initial spotting doesn't really matter here. DDs will maintain the enemy spotted after a wing is done. This also helps the CV find targets as it can't single-handedly kep the enemy lit up forever.

Sure it means a lot of the spotting damage gets transferred from the DD to the CV (being the closest and all that), but that doesn't mean CV does spotting better. Russian CVs for example aren't good at it.

And that's why CV have 3x DD spotting by not doing spotting better. LOL. Spotting anywhere on the map whenever they need.

But what has that to do with balance ?

Not much, but it's game, should be fun for both sides, if there is no counterplay it's just a griefing.

 

If it's very specific ships, they can always receive changes, instead of wanting to change an entire class.

Of course, historically, CVs were the big thing that changed the way naval warfare was done.

Which leads to some quite big irony in the community. People want DDs to hunt subs as they historically did, but they don't want CVs to perform as they did historically.

3 years and still no changes, some ships are even worse now because AA was butchered on light cruisers sold as AA ships.

Only noobs want DDs to hunt subs. Most good knows that it's suicidal and do hate subs. Oh, it's arcade game not a history.

Isn't that the whole problem of any competitive game ever ?

If they weren't banned, people would spam Petro/Stalin constantly. That's just how metas work.

If you watch KOTS, it is pretty stale and boring gameplay. That's the nature of high level gameplay unfortunately.

Kots are not boring at all in comparison to CBs with CVs last time. This was another level boring.

Nice gatekeeping.

You may have forgotten but, you don't need to play Tier X to play in games with Tier X ships.

I personally hate playing in Tier X ships (bar a few exceptions), and have much more fun being in Tier IX, even bottom tier (even against superships).

I still know how to and how to not play at that level.

No, you don't. You results speak for itself. You just think that you do. You are better then average player but it's not much of an achievement. And again ZOO in randoms is nowhere near competitive gameplay about which you have no clue at all.

 

[MixuS]

11 hours ago, Skywalker_369 said:

im intrested in naval battles and CVs are part of that 

If you're truly interested, then go play something that actually models them realistically.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1076160/Command_Modern_Operations/

https://www.matrixgames.com/game/war-in-the-pacific-admirals-edition

[GeniusMage]

Il y a 13 heures, Dutchy_2019 a dit :

many people

AFAIK, there are still many people playing this game. I'm gonna assume people complaining are a loud minority since, if they weren't, WG would've changed CVs as they demanded just because otherwise they would lose money.

 

Il y a 13 heures, Dutchy_2019 a dit :

Double CV games are no fun to play in either.

I perfectly agree that one CV is enough in 12v12, especially now with subs which can't be hit.

 

Il y a 6 heures, Lootboxer a dit :

You do not realise that CV can create instant crossfire

They're not crossfires and never will be, unless CVs are able to deal devastating damage to your broadside citadel.

 

Il y a 6 heures, Lootboxer a dit :

Spotting anywhere on the map whenever they need.

Whenever everyone needs. This is why I like CV games even in other ships, you can actually see stuff.

 

Il y a 6 heures, Lootboxer a dit :

Not much, but it's game, should be fun for both sides, if there is no counterplay it's just a griefing.

There is counterplay, some people just don't like how it works. It's not like subs which can be unspotted forever and immune to most damage forms. With CVs you know where it's coming from, and you can take measures before you're about to get slapped.

As for fun ? Do people really want fun for both sides ? Cause all I see is people wanting back RTS carriers, when they could dev strike, cross drop and a CV could hard carry games while the enemy CV couldn't do anything. I fail to see the fun in that, for anyone.

 

Il y a 6 heures, Lootboxer a dit :

Kots are not boring at all in comparison to CBs with CVs last time.

I highly doubt that. KOTS is already a camping fest with select few ships being used. It can take upwards of 10 minutes for anything to happen.

 

Il y a 6 heures, Lootboxer a dit :

No, you don't. You results speak for itself. You just think that you do. You are better then average player but it's not much of an achievement. And again ZOO in randoms is nowhere near competitive gameplay about which you have no clue at all.

I never claimed I was good at the game. I'm not the one deciding how to value another opinion based on a person's ingame stats. I'm not the one here with a degree in animal research (since you called randoms a zoo, I'll assume that's how you call that too).

 

[Tanaka_15]

43 minutes ago, GeniusMage said:

They're not crossfires and never will be, unless CVs are able to deal devastating damage to your broadside citadel.

You do realiaze that spoting creates crossfires and that most op thing in cvs is spoting? 

 

43 minutes ago, GeniusMage said:

Whenever everyone needs. This is why I like CV games even in other ships, you can actually see stuff.

Thats why i stoped using crusers and play ony dds / bbs. CVs just made entire class usless. 

 

43 minutes ago, GeniusMage said:

There is counterplay, some people just don't like how it works

There is no counter play AA dont work, grouping dont work. Only think you can do is stay back and be usless

 

43 minutes ago, GeniusMage said:

As for fun ? Do people really want fun for both sides ?

yeah. TBH yeah. i quess you need to have some differenty way of having fun to have fun in cvs.. 

 

43 minutes ago, GeniusMage said:

I'm not the one deciding how to value another opinion based on a person's ingame stats.

But sad true is that in all things in life people who are good at such thing have better and more imporatant opinion abut it than people who dont know how things work... 

[SodaBubbles]

13 hours ago, FukushuNL said:

 

 

All these d*mned spoiled CV players thinking they have it hard. You know what CV players are? Cowards.

 

I will never have any respect for anyone who plays CVs or who put them in the game. What kind of mind wants to play a game in which they take no risk? 

 

[SkipperCH]

Removed 2 posts for OT/provocations.