CV FAN ONLY ( Bring back Enterprise )

[Figment]

1 hour ago, Verblonde said:

Doesn't one of the 'rewards for beta testers' ships have actually zero AA? Arkansas, perhaps? Too lazy to look it up...

Arkansas B. One of my favourite TIV BBs actually. :)

 

It’s a pretty okay ship. Plenty stamina, good range, fairly high alpha, decent accuracy. Easily can sink a cruiser before a CV even flew over once so I can’t say the lack of AA is a problem since you ought to have been decisive before the CVs can apply their DPS. Especially if you stay around cruisers with A2A fighters. Or just rambo in and kill one or two ships before you die. Pretty fire resilient too, so can kite away and wear down five-six ships in pursuit for others to kill and keep that up for quite some time if you started just out of their max range and slowly lose ground on ‘m as you lure them into broadside fire for friendlies (they will keep going after you since you can’t escape with abysmal speed).

 

Got a 75% WR on it over 16 battles personally with 45K average damage. 95K tops (incl. two killed CVs then :))

 

Similar stats to my 71% Wyoming. The type of BB works well for me I think. Significantly better performance than my Myogi (much lower av damage). More luck than my Kaiser, Courbet and Gangut (more av. damage on Kaiser and similar on the rest, but think it gets that later in battle where the US BBs can more quickly create decisive numerical advantages to your team by sinking a cruiser reliably near the start of the match. Kaiser stays alive longer to do damage over time, but can’t as easily kill off enemies quickly in my experience). Dante is a bit better I think if you know how to use SAP and nose angle. Ischi is probably among the most flexible TIV BBs. Orion was pretty meh for me. Oklahoma too is just way too slow on dps and reliable shots to get that much early impact. Misses are too expensive,

 

So yeah, fun ship the Arkansas B.

 

Didn’t really use it much though given there was a lot to grind and it is basically a seal club tool and aircraft can be pretty much ignored at T4 if you know what you’re doing…

[Cammo1962]

3 hours ago, CptnSamuel said:

Cossack and Okhotnik would like a word.

Same would Asashio, Kagero aka the cake roll, HSF Harekaze, Akizuki and AL Yukikaze 

[BLUB__BLUB]

6 hours ago, Verblonde said:

To *very slightly* reduce my ignominy, the game count I showed was for Coop; I think I may be in the seventies +/- for Randoms...

Well you got me beat there... 

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But... (and I am constantly regrinding US BBs for RP, so that's why 40%...)

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3 hours ago, Verblonde said:

Doesn't one of the 'rewards for beta testers' ships have actually zero AA? Arkansas, perhaps? Too lazy to look it up...

Agincourt, too. Zero AA. And Arkansas Beta I think you mean that one. AA doesn't matter at T4 though. 

It is just some cross eyed fools running around on the deck with a handgun. 

 

2 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

Well as a CV player let me tell you that your ideas are beyond awful and CVs deserve to get banned from competitive modes as it is a toxic, overpowered and broken class.

Agreed. Actually the reason I went to play CVs (besides memeworthy Ark Royal) was exactly that. 

Because I knew WeeGee would put them into CB, and nobody in my clan was playing them. 

So I needed to get at least somewhat decent (still working on that though...).

[black_falcon120]

8 hours ago, Verblonde said:

<sad IJN torp DD noises>

Yes, but I meant BB and cruisers… something squishy to farm damage on if they don’t play well…

[Lootboxer]

OP. Beast approves so it must be the best idea since the Introduction of Subs into Live Server Permanent Testing (by pepegas mostly because why not).

 

[ghostbuster_]

5 hours ago, Lootboxer said:

OP. Beast approves so it must be the best idea since the Introduction of Subs into Live Server Permanent Testing (by pepegas mostly because why not).

 

I forgot about that guy. He is also one of a kind person.  

[Bubba_S]

6 hours ago, Lootboxer said:

OP. Beast approves so it must be the best idea since the Introduction of Subs into Live Server Permanent Testing (by pepegas mostly because why not).

 

Don’t be such a smudge bullying sap! It ruins the forum if all are to be bullied into one accepted way… Respect peoples opinions, even if they differ from yourself… We can just look east to see what that does to free speech and prosperity.

 

And I mean CVs have their place in CB, ranked, brawl and etc as other modes. Subs too for that matter. I am also ok about that in some seasons you can exclude some classes, but include that aswell other classes like dds, bbs, or cruisers maybe. That might be weird, but hey why not try it… All cruiser CB would be something new I guess.

 

 

[_HomTanks_]

2 hours ago, Bubba_S said:

 Respect peoples opinions, even if they differ from yourself… 

 

[GeniusMage]

Il y a 3 minutes, L8viathan a dit :

 

You'd think if game balance was as simple as maths, it would be left to robots. Then again, that would most likely disappoint the "NERF CEEVEE" crowd as BBs would be targetted first.

Conq nerfs anyone ?

[Bubba_S]

58 minutes ago, L8viathan said:

 

That is presenting a false statment and not an opinion. Quite different. Do you imply it is ok to bully people with false statments, or it is not ok to prove someones statment wrong?

 

 

[GreenDevil97]

I love the posts where Op never writes after the initial post... cheap bait.

[Bubba_S]

4 minutes ago, GreenDevil97 said:

I love the posts where Op never writes after the initial post... cheap bait.

He got 37 negative remarks and only 2 positives and a wall of hurt and slander…. Would you like to post more in such a hostile forum?

[Lootboxer]

4 hours ago, Bubba_S said:

And I mean CVs have their place in CB, ranked, brawl and etc as other modes.

Sorry but not in a current form unless you want only 1 or 2 DDs and cruisers  to be viable in a game mode.

[Lootboxer]

1 hour ago, GeniusMage said:

You'd think if game balance was as simple as maths, it would be left to robots. Then again, that would most likely disappoint the "NERF CEEVEE" crowd as BBs would be targetted first.

Conq nerfs anyone ?

WG showed by accident not a long ago with a comprehensive data sheets after subs testing that CVs have only slightly lower damage then BBs with 3x as high spotting as DDs and you still think that it would be BBs would go under nerf hammer first???

[NewHorizons_1]

3 hours ago, Bubba_S said:

All cruiser CB would be something new I guess. 

You'd probably have exclude all Soviet cruisers though to make it vaguely interesting.

Otherwise I would imagine it to be crammed full of teams of Petro/Moskva/Stalingrad/Smolensk/Nevsky

[M0bius_One]

Cope, seethe, dilate

[Ydoum]

[Nibenay78]

13 minutes ago, NewHorizons_1 said:

Otherwise I would imagine it to be crammed full of teams of Petro/Moskva/Stalingrad/Smolensk/Nevsky

Why block these historical and well balanced ships which by chance happen to all come from this great historical naval nation?

[GulvkluderGuld]

1 hour ago, GreenDevil97 said:

I love the posts where Op never writes after the initial post... cheap bait.

Maybe, but the replies are hilarious entertainment 

[GeniusMage]

Il y a 1 minute, Lootboxer a dit :

WG showed by accident not a long ago with a comprehensive data sheets after subs testing that CVs have only slightly lower damage then BBs with 3x as high spotting as DDs and you still think that it would be BBs would go under nerf hammer first???

Definitely.

BBs can dev strike fairly (barring overpen galore) consistently. CVs can't. A BB strike is far more lethal than a CV one.

As for spotting, isn't whoever is closest to the target getting the spotting damage ? If so, obviously the planes that have to be in AA range are going to get it, not the DD that spotted the enemy in the first place.

 

All in all, as someone who plays every class, I find the topic of CVs is often blown way out of proportions. I used to hate them early on too, then I started playing them (badly, I was trash at the beginning), enjoyed them and learned how to play around them. Now I can spend entire games unspotted as a DD (though I'm still bad at them).

Most players don't want to learn how to play differently, that is fine. But don't demand the game to be changed if you don't want to change. Yes, they change how the game is played, but not that much.

[MixuS]

17 minutes ago, GeniusMage said:

learned how to play around them

[Bubba_S]

48 minutes ago, Lootboxer said:

Sorry but not in a current form unless you want only 1 or 2 DDs and cruisers  to be viable in a game mode.

You see, this is where we agree to disagree as gentlemen….

 

45 minutes ago, NewHorizons_1 said:

You'd probably have exclude all Soviet cruisers though to make it vaguely interesting.

Otherwise I would imagine it to be crammed full of teams of Petro/Moskva/Stalingrad/Smolensk/Nevsky

Sure, wg could do do that too. They allready ban some ships each season or limit etc. What about a CB —— 1812 - recapture: Americans vs Commonwealth/Brittish …. or…..  italian vs German …. 

[Bubba_S]

But this is a CV only tread so to stay on topic.

 

One thing I want to add to treadstarters topic is that CVs should get asw strike planes for 2 reasons. 1. is defence, 2. when CV is hunting sub, surfaceships are safe

 

Maybe a third role could be support CV skills on normal CVs instead of support CVs as standalone.

[Dutchy_2019]

11 minutes ago, Bubba_S said:

You see, this is where we agree to disagree as gentlemen….

 

Ahum, I think this - CVs having NO place in CBs - has been pretty much proven in CB's not too long ago. leading to the near death of CB as a viable mode. With clans that normally have no issue fielding a CB team having a hard time to (a) actually field a team halfway through the CB season, and (b) being able to stomack playing a full session. 

 

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Sure, wg could do do that too. They allready ban some ships each season or limit etc. What about a CB —— 1812 - recapture: Americans vs Commonwealth/Brittish …. or…..  italian vs German …. 

 

And the reason for that is trying to keep CBs interesting, viable and NOT boring for just about everybody.

[Lootboxer]

1 hour ago, GeniusMage said:

Definitely.

BBs can dev strike fairly (barring overpen galore) consistently. CVs can't. A BB strike is far more lethal than a CV one.

As for spotting, isn't whoever is closest to the target getting the spotting damage ? If so, obviously the planes that have to be in AA range are going to get it, not the DD that spotted the enemy in the first place. 

 

All in all, as someone who plays every class, I find the topic of CVs is often blown way out of proportions. I used to hate them early on too, then I started playing them (badly, I was trash at the beginning), enjoyed them and learned how to play around them. Now I can spend entire games unspotted as a DD (though I'm still bad at them).

Most players don't want to learn how to play differently, that is fine. But don't demand the game to be changed if you don't want to change. Yes, they change how the game is played, but not that much.

BB can dev strike sometimes but it can be mitigated by situational awareness, good positioning, angling, using islands, speed juking,  kitting etc and most of all by concealment, all this gets countered by CV spotting by the way.

As a DD in a CV game I am getting much much less spotting damage and less spotted ribbons because Cv does both much better, so no, DD does not do initial spotting, Cv does it better too.

I can play CVs and around them very well  but playing around them is not fun, and some ships are not designed and balanced around CVs in game.

In competitive it is the same just times 10.

It's not that better clans can't adapt to CVs, it is that game gets so boing, stale and predictive with limited options that we just do not want to play at all.

But what can you know about it with a few TX games only? It's all new to you.