CV FAN ONLY ( Bring back Enterprise )

[lup3s]

10 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

I see somebody else likes to use torps on DDs, too... 

 

No no no, that was a rare occasion and is thus invalid as proof.

I have way too much experience with the Ryujo to provide a solid, well-argumented opinion about her.

 

 

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[Fastmotion]

i suggest that let's have a different opinion about:

believing in authorities and grades/stats.

 

A person earlier didn't agree to believe in those things as i remember. I also don't believe in those things.

 

Let's agree that we believe in arguments.

So, don't provide sucharguments that "pork and subs are bad because authorities said so and people with high grades/stats think so". Better provide explanations that show how many toxins are inside pork and subs. Is it acceptable?

 

Secondly, can you try to stay i nthe topic and ignore details? Gramamr and numbers are examples of irrelevant details.

Also try to use more professional methods. For example don't post mystical pictures. Try to be clear and not mystical.

Don't repeat defeated/answered arguments.

 

Try to visualize that all questions/arguments have an order number. Answer first those questions that appeared first. Don't add new questions if you yourself have ignored some questions. It is a well known method to declare question-ignorers as losoers of debate. It is obvious and i explained earlier why. I have answered for exampel everything but now lately i skip some parts because people need me too often everywhere and i can't physically. Have you all answered the 5 questions i nthe OriginalP? No? Have you answered to my yesterdays questions? No. So, it is obvious who is the winenr here. Try to answer everything.

 

Be in the topic.

 

 

 

[Tanaka_15]

3 minutes ago, Fastmotion said:

Gramamr and numbers are examples of irrelevant details.

[DFens_666]

37 minutes ago, Fastmotion said:

Because 2+2 is 3 and smart peopel can prove it.

 

Ill literally sell you anything you want - 2+2 but ill only give you 3 pieces in the end. Deal? Should be fine for you, because 2+2=3 according to you. Just tell me what you want, ill make it happen.

[lup3s]

11 minutes ago, Fastmotion said:

i suggest that let's have a different opinion about:

believing in authorities and grades/stats.

 

A person earlier didn't agree to believe in those things as i remember. I also don't believe in those things.

 

Let's agree that we believe in arguments.

So, don't provide sucharguments that "pork and subs are bad because authorities said so and people with high grades/stats". Better provide explanations that show how many toxins are inside pork and subs. Is it acceptable?

 

Secondly, can you try to stay i nthe topic and ignore details? Gramamr and numbers are examples of irrelevant details.

 

 

Myself and some other players have made a couple of posts now asking why both of you think CVs need buffs; each with a couple of bullet points. We have yet to receive a well-argumented answer that doesn't rely on nonsense like "30kts = 40kts".

 

I agree that you should not blindly follow anything someone on the internet says, but at least try to respect people that have a lot of experience ánd skills.

 

Since you enjoy off-topic comparisons; who would you rather have perform surgery on you ? Me, a software developer / database programmer, or an actual surgeon ?

 

 

44 minutes ago, lup3s said:

@Fastmotion, @Skywalker_369

 

Can you make a well-thought-out post why CVs should be buffed ?

You ask for buffs, but you don't really say why you think these buffs are needed.

 

Mainly these points, since the others are more about content than buffs / nerfs :

 

On 5/13/2022 at 2:17 PM, Skywalker_369 said:

3.Nerf AA guns or make them manual control

5.make some Buffs to all CV 

6.Let us join in a division  as  2 CVs

 

 

3.

Why nerf AA?

The current AA is mediocre at best. Flak clouds are easy to dodge most of the time, and few ships have the raw DPS to defend themselves against an attack. Even fewer have enough DPS to protect allied ships without hugging them.

I think there should be some more dedicated AA ships in the game that can actually protect allied ships; this means ships with high DPS values for the long range AA.

 

Manual control

While I would like to test this concept, I think this will be too much for the average Wows player. The current implementation of DC planes already shows many players struggling to perform multiple tasks in a battle.

 

5.

"some buffs to all CV"

Difficult to reply to since this is very vague.

 

6.

Make double CV-divisions

Apart from the fact that 2 coordinated CV-players leaves almost no chance for the surface ship to dodge, it would also create even more imbalanced situations.

1 unicum CV vs 1 potato CV already creates a huge imbalance, let alone what 2 unicum CVs in division would do vs 2 random CVs, or vs 2 potato CVs in division.

 

 

It sounds like you want to have a "super easy mode" without any challenges at all - I don't know you, but I do like some challenges in my videogames.

And to be honest, many of the current CVs already are "easy mode".

 

 

2 drops needed to sink a DD, one minute and a half into the game. If this is not "easy mode" I don't know what is.

 

 

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5 hours ago, lup3s said:

Why buff CVs though ? They are really strong enough as they are.

 

- they can attack nearly anywhere on the map, without relocating the hull; in fact, unlike other ship types, the CV's hull doesn't even have to be close to the battle

 

Further, the CVs have been catered to the biggest idiots playing this game :

 

- respawning planes, so they aren't deplaned after 5 minutes

 

- automated dcp, so they don't have to bother about managing dcp

 

- neutered AA, so they can at least get one strike in

 

- armoured deck so they can't (really) get punished by long range AP

 

If anything, AA should be buffed or reworked - as it is now it is just too weak.

 

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

22 minutes ago, Fastmotion said:

Let's agree that we believe in arguments.

 

Yes, let's stick with a discussion on the matter, no crazy math ok? I mean well.

 

You never answered this to me:

 

If I want to make somebody's life miserable in a top tier CV, there is absolutely no way for him to avoid it.

No counterplay, no repositioning, nothing - I can ruin his match anywhere on the map, just because I want to.

 

And the worst thing: He cannot fight back. He cannot touch me and I have enough planes to send at him again and again.

 

How is this fair?

[Verblonde]

29 minutes ago, Fastmotion said:

You say that the second player was historically bad. But this doesn't prove that he is bad today.

No it doesn't. This might though:

 

120 games isn't an enormous data-set, but it is suggestive...

[Fastmotion]

2 minutes ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

 

Yes, let's stick with a discussion on the matter, no crazy math ok?

 

You never answered this to me:

 

If I want to make somebody's life miserable in a top tier CV, there is absolutely no way for him to avoid it.

No counterplay, nothing - I can ruin his match just because I want to.

 

And the worst thing: He cannot fight back. He cannot touch me and I have enough planes to send at him again and again.

 

How is this fair?

I agree, that as a minor skillful CV player you can make an average player's 1 battle difficult.

First, this thing doesn't happen often and in case the DD makes fine tactics then he survives and wins the battle.

 

You say that there is no counterplay for such skillful annoying CVs. I disagree. First, one can position so that he gets supportive AA fro mthe team. That is a clear example of a counterplay. If one takes risks and goes far away fro mthe team then this is a natural result of risk taking. Most CV players can't annoy 1 player too much because aiming is difficult and so on. And if the enemy CV does similar thing then there is nothing unfair. I have tried such tactics and other tactics and i don't see anything special in that one. It is a fair war where rarely but sometimes some ship gets extra attention. It is an irrelevant rare case that doesn't prove anything.

 

I feel that your example is a fine fair play. Do you think that entertainment games should all be always for everyone soft and nice? No. So, let it be sometimes so that CV decides to annoy little bit. But msot CVs are not successful in aiming and most who dies later took risks and went too far from supportive AA.

[Fastmotion]

16 minutes ago, Verblonde said:

No it doesn't. This might though:

 

120 games isn't an enormous data-set, but it is suggestive...

As i said in my opinion 40% feels like 60% during 20 battles. Secondly, there are many factors why people don't perform well. Distractions, account shared by brothers, internet instability, so called "trolling", etc. I always suggest people to make a test/exam when they hire an employee and ignore the diplomas/stats. Who makes the exam better should be hired. In the Wows in my opinion the best thing is to see how person performs among gold members. If he performs fine then he has good skills. I can always note mistakes from everyone during such "exams". Very often gold members with high stats performs worse than me. They come to cry to me and can't explain why their high stats didn't make them perform better than me. I tel lto them that stop suffering and crying and just understand that your diplomas and stats are irrelevant.

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

8 minutes ago, Fastmotion said:

You say that there is no counterplay for such skillful annoying CVs. I disagree. 

 

I feel that your example is a fine fair play. Do you think that entertainment games should all be always for everyone soft and nice? No. So, let it be sometimes so that CV decides to annoy little bit. But msot CVs are not successful in aiming and most who dies later took risks and went too far from supportive AA.

 

Trust me, there is no counterplay. Friendly AA will not save you.

 

I really wonder how you would feel about the class, if I would do this to you.

[BLUB__BLUB]

29 minutes ago, lup3s said:

 

No no no, that was a rare occasion and is thus invalid as proof.

I have way too much experience with the Ryujo to provide a solid, well-argumented opinion about her.

 

 

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Ah well I am just a N00b, hardly manage 50%.... 

 

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[Fastmotion]

1 minute ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

 

Trust me, there is no counterplay. Friendly AA will not save you.

 

I really wonder how you would feel about the class, if I would do this to you.

The AA removes planes slowly and at the end of battles CVs are empty of planes.

Some ships like Halland for example have so strong AA that the CV don't make much damage and they can swim fastly close to cruisers.

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

Just now, Fastmotion said:

The AA removes planes slowly and at the end of battles CVs are empty of planes.

 

Who cares about the end of the battle? It will be over then.

 

And your match would have been ruined without anything you could do against it. 

[SnipingCat]

Thread has been closed since it has gone completly offtopic, both from participants sides, and from the OP himself.