Subs again, again (sorry)

[Fastmotion]

1 hour ago, Migantium_Mashum said:

 

 

You know maybe if WG listens to the majority who pay for the privilege of being ' S__T' by these experiments you might not get such bile from the playerbase....

 

Ever thought of that have you???

Why do you use so bad hand writing?

I suggest my rules: never change fonts, never add graphics, links and other inadequate elements. If you really need to add a link or something then first apologize and then post it but it should rarely be like once a month or so.

 

You repeat a popular defeated opinion that WG don't listen. That opinion is false because they listen but there is nothing adequate to listen. I have heard that WG makes professional polls which results show that peopel are happy with subs and CVs. I personally like CVs much but subs i love.

I have never seen any adequate arguments from the so called haters league. WG hasn't seen either, almost every battle you have CV/Subs players who also haven't ever hear in the history anything considerable from the haters propaganda. Therefore there is nothing to listen really.

 

I would never listen people who post spamm and make weird font. I immediately ignore such text if possible and won't read.

 

Some people above say "Even seen an account that was only a couple of weeks old who was sailing a T10 sub. ". In my experience it does not matter how old an account is or which stats it has because it may be 2nd account or brother's account. There are not so many such examples where people use Arp Yamatos and other T10 ships like Subs. A new player usually feels itself better in T8 than in T10. In Randoms there are so many randomness that harmless subs have no impact there neither to the enemy nor to the alley team. Removing weak opponents actually means shooting to your own foot and suffer later. You can see little bit that when you listen the reasons why people avoid gold ranked league. There the real reason is that it doesn't feel anymore so satisfactory to play when weaker players are gone.

 

 

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

52 minutes ago, Fastmotion said:

Why do you use so bad hand writing?

Because this forum is not hand written, it can't be bad hand writing. Not being concerned with denotation in human communication is a perfect way to fail at even basic interaction levels. This player has his own opinion about submarines in the game. You have many times called upon us to allow people to have different opinions. Yet you denounce this player his opinion as not even worthy to listen to. That is toxic behavior. Follow your own rules plox.

[CptnSamuel]

I've already torped 2 subs in my Elbing. Plz buff subs, Elbing OP. /s

[SolanumTuberosumRex]

11 hours ago, Nibenay78 said:

You also enumerate people, like the facists did?

He's nothing if not methodical. Hence the saying "There's method to his madness."

[Fastmotion]

Just now, CptnSamuel said:

I've already torped 2 subs in my Elbing. Plz buff subs, Elbing OP. /s

Elbing is the worst DD if to say so. It is therefore a challenging one and i have done many battles in gold league specially with that one because it is challenging to win with the "worst/hardest" vehicle. Her torps are so slow that you must be very professional to land them. And of course manuverability is very bad and the main feature of having strong AP guns on DD is usually useless because those guns are stil lworse than cruisers have and DD becomes ineffective when taking cruisers role. The next challenginf ship is in my opinion the one russian DD. I played both asa challenge and that is a reasonable reason. Obviously bad maneuverable ships like Haru, Elbing take torps easily in from Subs/CVs. But if you are lucky then your Elbing can of cause kill by his torps a sub sometimes. It requires a luck mostly i think.

 

Buffing Elbing is fine i guess. But not too much. Because it is just a special ship that needs a babysitter ships/team. Other Dds should set smoke for Elbing and then he can shoot APs towards gambler ships. But independent DDs don't need babysitting and don't sit in smoke often. So, it is a very special DD and needs to be played very specially and the team must support him.

[SolanumTuberosumRex]

12 minutes ago, Europizza said:

Because this forum is not hand written, it can't be bad hand writing. Not being concerned with denotation in human communication is a perfect way to fail at even basic interaction levels. This player has his own opinion about submarines in the game. You have many times called upon us to allow people to have different opinions. Yet you denounce this player his opinion as not even worthy to listen to. That is toxic behavior. Follow your own rules plox.

Yeah but when he speaks, he uses one (1) tone, one (1) inflexion, one (1) rythm and one (1) volume. It just makes sense.

And he proved that.

[SolanumTuberosumRex]

11 minutes ago, CptnSamuel said:

I've already torped 2 subs in my Elbing. Plz buff subs, Elbing OP. /s

Please don't give them any ideas. 😒

[SolanumTuberosumRex]

3 minutes ago, Fastmotion said:

Elbing is the worst DD if to say so. It is therefore a challenging one and i have done many battles in gold league specially with that one because it is challenging to win with the "worst/hardest" vehicle. Her torps are so slow that you must be very professional to land them. And of course manuverability is very bad and the main feature of having strong AP guns on DD is usually useless because those guns are stil lworse than cruisers have and DD becomes ineffective when taking cruisers role. The next challenginf ship is in my opinion the one russian DD. I played both asa challenge and that is a reasonable reason. Obviously bad maneuverable ships like Haru, Elbing take torps easily in from Subs/CVs. But if you are lucky then your Elbing can of cause kill by his torps a sub sometimes. It requires a luck mostly i think.

 

Buffing Elbing is fine i guess. But not too much. Because it is just a special ship that needs a babysitter ships/team. Other Dds should set smoke for Elbing and then he can shoot APs towards gambler ships. But independent DDs don't need babysitting and don't sit in smoke often. So, it is a very special DD and needs to be played very specially and the team must support him.

quod erat demonstrandum

[Migantium_Mashum]

4 minutes ago, PsychoClownfish said:

Yeah but when he speaks, he uses one (1) tone, one (1) inflexion, one (1) rythm and one (1) volume. It just makes sense.

And he proved that.

Your Oratory skills must be very poor... One tone oration is about as good as the talking clock.... you cannot have a partner me thinks if you've only got one rhythm...  and one volume Jeesh you must be boring at parties...

 

I'd like to see the proof by the way with your comment about 'And he proved that'... What proof??

 

 

[Fastmotion]

2 minutes ago, PsychoClownfish said:

He's nothing if not methodical. Hence the saying "There's method to his madness."

The latter famous saying is obvious if the concept of Duality/2 becomes more clear. Until there exist an object and that sees one more object there is a duality in the world and they have a relation which is bad and/or good or as you express "a method/good in everything".

Facism existed already before the professional organizer Hitler so obviously one can address good words to such organizational skills to the thing that existed hundreds years before but nobody couldn't organize anything much yet.

In dualistic life/world there is a method in everything. After some hundreds years while more and more minds awaken/die things will change drastically and there won't be any method in anything anymore because there won't be any thing and any body anymore. In other words that will be beyond knowledge/reasoning. Today there are only some thousand such enlightened examples in the world but the amount appears to grow.

Those who are very attached to they math knowledge and other earthy things could benefit if they sometimes think about the non-duality ideas. For example when you are so obsessed with an idea that some vehicle types in this game are not balanced in your opinion then go make a break for a minute and listen from Youtube genuine people saying that you and your vehicle types and other things are actually an illusion.

 

[SolanumTuberosumRex]

3 minutes ago, Fastmotion said:

The latter famous saying is obvious if the concept of Duality/2 becomes more clear. Until there exist an object and that sees one more object there is a duality in the world and they have a relation which is bad and/or good or as you express "a method/good in everything".

Facism existed already before the professional organizer Hitler so obviously one can address good words to such organizational skills to the thing that existed hundreds years before but nobody couldn't organize anything much yet.

In dualistic life/world there is a method in everything. After some hundreds years while more and more minds awaken/die things will change drastically and there won't be any method in anything anymore because there won't be any thing and any body anymore. In other words that will be beyond knowledge/reasoning. Today there are only some thousand such enlightened examples in the world but the amount appears to grow.

Those who are very attached to they math knowledge and other earthy things could benefit if they sometimes think about the non-duality ideas. For example when you are so obsessed with an idea that some vehicle types in this game are not balanced in your opinion then go make a break for a minute and listen from Youtube genuine people saying that you and your vehicle types and other things are actually an illusion.

 

As with all things, you think you know something when it should be obvious even to yourself that you don't. When next you attempt to write something, proceed from the adage 'Less is more.'

[SolanumTuberosumRex]

8 minutes ago, Migantium_Mashum said:

Your Oratory skills must be very poor... One tone oration is about as good as the talking clock.... you cannot have a partner me thinks if you've only got one rhythm...  and one volume Jeesh you must be boring at parties...

 

I'd like to see the proof by the way with your comment about 'And he proved that'... What proof??

 

 

He said it. Therefore he proved it. That's how that works. But for him only.

[NewHorizons_1]

3 minutes ago, PsychoClownfish said:

He said it. Therefore he proved it. That's how that works. But for him only.

And because no one else is worthy/qualified to counter his almighty wisdom.

[NewHorizons_1]

Getting back on topic ( ) another relatively new player with a T10 sub.

Co-op stats, he'd played a few ranked (12) & random (62).

 

 

Interestingly, WG are slightly tightening up access to the next set of sub rentals - ships one tier below (instead of two) can unlock a sub.

So at least no one will be able to use a T6 sub to get to the T8 one and then the T10.

Which, IMHO, is a step in the right direction

See: Ship's Log: Rental Submarines

 

 

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

Please guys, you defeat a troll by just putting him on the ignore list.

 

I do the same with potato players ingame, that has the added advantage of:

 

a) seeing known facerollers right at the start of the game, without the need for potat alert or somesuch.

b) not getting notified of their "ideas", i.E. pings on the map, requests for "intelligence data" which, when provided, just leads to no results and their ideas about tactics ("let's rush mid!")

c) much less bitching and moaning when i.E. you murder an immobile broadside sherman in the smoke who thinks he's not only invisible but incorporeal.
 

Unfortunately the ingame ignore list doesn't carry over to the forums, I can definitely notice a trend right in this thread.

Also unfortunately some potatos are really nice people, but you can't have everything.

 

PS: Beware, that Potato Alert data is also skewed, I noticed "good" players which in reality suck really hard because they usually play tier 4 where they club seals all day long... the only reason I can think of is to pad their stats. You notice it by just looking at tier 10.

Also, hidden stats aren't really hidden on wows-numbers.com, just look for their clan, their recent transfers and if you're lucky, you can make an educated guess by the colour of their name.

 

[SolanumTuberosumRex]

9 minutes ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

Please guys, you defeat a troll by just putting him on the ignore list.

There are no trolls on this forum. But perhaps you have a problem with learning new things and listening to enlightened beings who can prove everything they say by just saying it. You really need to be more openminded.

 

I'll add the '/s' just in case it wasn't clear... 

[NewHorizons_1]

... and another one.

Two month old account with T10 subs.
 

 

Two subs in this co-op match. Me in Montana. Napoli that spawned next to me cleared off towards centre.

I was left to deal with a bot sub & Montana which shot down every ASW strike I sent out (sub was just behind it).

So ... RAMMING SPEED and took out the Montana.

this, I'm outta here but still came 4th from top.

The guy above was bottom with the Napoli not quite as cr@p with the other sub being slightly less useless at 3rd from last.

Great design WG.

[Fastmotion]

9 minutes ago, NewHorizons_1 said:

... and another one.

Two subs in this co-op match. Me in Montana. Napoli that spawned next to me cleared off towards centre.

I was left to deal with a bot sub & Montana which shot down every ASW strike I sent out (sub was just behind it).

So ... RAMMING SPEED and took out the Montana.

this, I'm outta here but still came 4th from top.

The guy above was bottom with the Napoli not quite as cr@p with the other sub being slightly less useless at 3rd from last.

Great design WG.

You explanation says that Subs placed 3rd from last which makes them harmless.

How often in your experience Subs are harmless? Is it something like they are harmless in 9 battles out of 10 and 1 battle harmful?

[NewHorizons_1]

6 minutes ago, Fastmotion said:

You explanation says that Subs placed 3rd from last which makes them harmless.

How often in your experience Subs are harmless? Is it something like they are harmless in 9 battles out of 10 and 1 battle harmful?

And you don't think the fact the players are inexperienced or useless is a factor?

So if I, who has never fired a gun in his life, was given a sniper rifle and couldn't hit the side of a barn it would be the rifle that is crap.

[Nibenay78]

29 minutes ago, NewHorizons_1 said:

And you don't think the fact the players are inexperienced or useless is a factor?

So if I, who has never fired a gun in his life, was given a sniper rifle and couldn't hit the side of a barn it would be the rifle that is crap.

I've seen a RL person who never touched a rifle, aim ONLY through the front diopter sight. Ignoring the rear one..

edit: I should note the target was about 10 meters away. The rifle was a 7.62mm rifle for target practise at 100-400m

 

and said person held it at about 30-40% degrees while aiming, happy how easy it was to get a "lock" on the target...

[NewHorizons_1]

2 minutes ago, Nibenay78 said:

I've seen a RL person who never touched a rifle, aim ONLY through the front diopter sight. Ignoring the rear one..

I don't think even I would be that bad.

But damn, I really have to work on my idiot-proof analogies.

As Jingles would say. "No matter how idiot proof you design something, the world will always come up with a better idiot"

[Nibenay78]

Just now, NewHorizons_1 said:

I don't think even I would be that bad.

But damn, I really have to work on my idiot-proof analogies.

As Jingles would say. "No matter how idiot proof you design something, the world will always come up with a better idiot"

To her defence:

 

Never held a gun, never had interest in a gun and probably never really watched a gun being fired.

[KratosTheUnforgiving]

How stupid subs are, look a Mr Gibbins clip of how even with multiple airstrikes prior to his attack, 26 depth charges to kill a sub and this is balanced. Typical WG cockup !!

[Keijo_Kalmakoura]

I wonder what comes next Anti-Ship missles  or perhaps rocket assisted torpedoes or maybe we get wave motion gun upgrade for Yamato?

[NewHorizons_1]

WGs ideal player get access to T10 subs.

Tharrr she blows!

 

... and is useless in them leaving it down to me to depth charge the sub that was pinging and torping me.