Subs again, again (sorry)

[NewHorizons_1]

33 minutes ago, PsychoClownfish said:

But like I said earlier, the only thing worse than a bad subplayer is a good subplayers

Problem is in co-op, you can almost guarantee the bot sub is going to be more effective than some of these players.

[SolanumTuberosumRex]

1 hour ago, NewHorizons_1 said:

Problem is in co-op, you can almost guarantee the bot sub is going to be more effective than some of these players.

That is actually true. 😂

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

On 5/12/2022 at 6:30 PM, humpty_1 said:

what drives me nuts (one of many) is when hunting a sub in the halland you basically need to be on top of it, which is fair enough. but then you can't bloody kill it because the dcs fire a mile in front of the bloody boat. bloody stupid tbh...

I see you and raise you a druid depth charge launcher which works similar, just launches to the rear.

 

Now imagine having the highest depth charge damage at 5500 (AP specialist is a given for Druid players with an IQ above room temperature), an extremely long duration hydro (who minds the 3km range when you can detect subs at only 2km anyway?). One would think this is probably the best submarine killer in the game. Then you try to run one down who simply runs away...

[flip_66]

On 5/11/2022 at 10:57 PM, SkipperCH said:

I will make this as clear as possible - If this thread (like the others) derails into OT, insults, provocations or comparable stuff we will close it down.

Maybe instead of shutting people up you should ask yourself why there is such a violent echo? Just a thought ...

[humpty_1]

On 5/17/2022 at 11:18 AM, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

I see you and raise you a druid depth charge launcher which works similar, just launches to the rear.

 

Now imagine having the highest depth charge damage at 5500 (AP specialist is a given for Druid players with an IQ above room temperature), an extremely long duration hydro (who minds the 3km range when you can detect subs at only 2km anyway?). One would think this is probably the best submarine killer in the game. Then you try to run one down who simply runs away...

i've just got the druid and did think WTF! lol.. i do wonder tbh :)

[Fastmotion]

On 5/11/2022 at 9:32 PM, venderbomb said:

This is what grips my s**t!

 

This needs to stop WG, were not here to do your work for you. When people can take a ship out to play in randoms when they haven't spent anything on the tech tree and barely know they game you cause problems!

 

What can you possibly gain from this? Surely you can implement some sort of 'competence' mechanic? Person must do 10 games in co-op with a sub before randoms or must have at least 1 T10 ship before he can access the T10 sub

I understand your picture so that Subs have made in total 9 battles and got lower experience reward than other ships. In my opinion it is so because it takes time to learn how to use subs. I think it takes 30 battles to understand well enough how Subs work. But CVs are even more complex in my opinion and it is normal that people practice in Random battles with those complex ships and learn them. In Random battles people try all the time new ships. Subs and CVs are not the only ones there. There is no way stop people to enter Random battles. And i don't expect from Random battles anything because they have so many random things inside. Therefore i play Ranked gold league more often. If i play Randoms then i grind new ships. In Randoms many times some ships are AFK. Many ships have in stats lot of experience but make lot of primitive moves. In my opinion in Randoms there are plenty of randomness and CVs and Subs are not any special example there.

 

Typical famous idea has been to somehow remove very new players from some leagues. For example such ideas are to suggest that one cannot play T10 ships if he doesn't meet some criterias and that MM should take into account players historical data and so on. But such ideas have never been very serious and therefore never implemented. If you make a separate thread that would argue how the game would be good to everyone then such debate wouldn't give victory to those who complain all the time about everything. There simply is not wise to add more complexity to the game what some players can and cannot do. And the very ultimate thing is that at the end complaining people wouldn't win anymore if all weak players have been eliminated and they don't actually feel fun anymore. MY short suggestion is that Random battles are perfect and there is no point to change anything. If one wishes to play with stronger players then one option is the Ranked gold league. Probably clan battles is the second best option. And overall suggestion is to take life as it is and not feel pain and suffer about things. In Random battles everything is very random and Subs and CVs are most of the times harmless there. There is nothing to do and no point to do anything with Randoms. This is my opinion. Maybe it is wise to create a new game mode where you make the picture so that complainers would be happy. But the playerbase is not so big i guess to make so many leagues and as i mentioned the reality is that complainers will not get happier there. It is very difficult to satisfy all opinions in such balancing topics. But in overall i for example don't see that some ships are over powered and i believe the balance is fine. One suggestion is to change your own mentality so that you don't get upset about things. One sure way to achieve that is to not copy propaganda. At the moment you told things that propaganda does every minute. So, you are actually under their influence and their belief systemand attitudes cause pain and suffer all the time. Try to ignore them and be yourself as they say. In that case sooner or later you realize that there are no problems in this entertainment game.

 

 

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

9 minutes ago, Fastmotion said:

And i don't expect from Random battles anything because they have so many random things inside. Therefore i play Ranked gold league more often.

You will not remember me, but we've met in a few games recently. Unfortunately you played CV and my side was doomed.

 

Also, could you please not derail the thread with that BS? Yes, removing inexperienced or very bad players from playing deceisive ship classes is a bad idea, because having deceisive ship classes in the first place is bad and trying to limit access there is just trying to band aid a hemorrhaging fever, but the amount of copium you're trying to feed us would kill an elephant.

 

[Fastmotion]

9 minutes ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

You will not remember me, but we've met in a few games recently. Unfortunately you played CV and my side was doomed.

 

Also, could you please not derail the thread with that BS? Yes, removing inexperienced or very bad players from playing deceisive ship classes is a bad idea, because having deceisive ship classes in the first place is bad and trying to limit access there is just trying to band aid a hemorrhaging fever, but the amount of copium you're trying to feed us would kill an elephant.

 

It is true that I don't remember you. But even if i could remember someone then it is irrelevant.

Seems you say that your team lost because your opinion is that the CV didn't play well. First, did you enjoy the battle? If yes, then everything is fine. If you felt sufferings then i suggest that go an analyze why you are in pain. You can post replays and we can analyze. But 1 random battlesomewhere should make you suffer so much. Can you prove next time that CV was mainly responsible otherwise it is jsut your potentially faulty opinion. Specially if you share opinions that a propaganda socium has then very likely many of your opinions are false. so, i think this response is nice and adequate to you.

 

Secondly, you seems to say that i am not in topic and so on. Can you prove it? I came to this and all other topicsand replied to original poster and no mistakes, no spam, no hatred. I explain everything, promote positiveness.

 

Seems you agree with me that restricting players by skills is not wise.

 

I suggest to be more positive, lower your pain, don't take entertainment so negatively. Entertainment is a positive thing for mentally well people. But some medical conditions for example don't like noise and things then they get mad isntead. So, if you don't have any mental things then it is only a thing of your attitude and mind. I suggest that find a guru who teaches how to take entertainments. I can provide myself too such exercises and things if i find a proper folder in this forum where to make it.

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

 

The Flying Dog of the Sea,  his  singing  by song, and he hissing by chorus   to his own song, a lovely song, to the same song, just a little slower.
My friend Paul wrote this song, where I take him to the lake the other day and it goes, 'Merry Christmas for us, we all have been there and listened to this song, but we have a lot in common with the man who had the pleasure of singing. It's a lovely tune.
Thanks for listening, everyone!'
A lot of those who have been listening to this song, or perhaps even heard it at the time, are going to be glad they did, because I would not know this was an original song at all if I did not. I am often so amazed by those who hear the  original  song.
This song is a great introduction on the music. The first half of the song makes a fun movie, with  it being quite like the movie of the same name, with all of the famous musicians and songwriters who are in the lead and the most popular group of singers who have made an awesome movie. The two biggest of these  music lovers with which the band is in the midst of the war are  Alby Stapleton and The Flying Dog of the Sea.
Their song is very beautiful.

 

This is hilarious. I tried DeepAI but what you do is on an entirely other level. Now I guess understand why you are still playing this game even though you can't seem to get the hang of it. But that's not the idea, trolling is some kind of... relief for you? A release? Torturing your team or posting this bait, it's the same to you.

[Fastmotion]

24 minutes ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

 

The Flying Dog of the Sea,  his  singing  by song, and he hissing by chorus   to his own song, a lovely song, to the same song, just a little slower.
My friend Paul wrote this song, where I take him to the lake the other day and it goes, 'Merry Christmas for us, we all have been there and listened to this song, but we have a lot in common with the man who had the pleasure of singing. It's a lovely tune.
Thanks for listening, everyone!'
A lot of those who have been listening to this song, or perhaps even heard it at the time, are going to be glad they did, because I would not know this was an original song at all if I did not. I am often so amazed by those who hear the  original  song.
This song is a great introduction on the music. The first half of the song makes a fun movie, with  it being quite like the movie of the same name, with all of the famous musicians and songwriters who are in the lead and the most popular group of singers who have made an awesome movie. The two biggest of these  music lovers with which the band is in the midst of the war are  Alby Stapleton and The Flying Dog of the Sea.
Their song is very beautiful.

 

This is hilarious. I tried DeepAI but what you do is on an entirely other level. Now I guess understand why you are still playing this game even though you can't seem to get the hang of it. But that's not the idea, trolling is some kind of... relief for you? A release? Torturing your team or posting this bait, it's the same to you.

I hope it is fine for you that i didn't read your italic text. There are 2-3 simple reasons why i skip such noise.

Seems that your offtopical  Deep-Ai is some kind of internet tool and your opinion is that it is not good enough tool. In my opinion a lot of Ai is better than humans. All sort of chess robots have very strong Ai and beat human. The word Bot comes fro mthe bigger word Robot and it is an honor to becalled Bot or robot- it means you are a God, very good. Bot = God.

If you want to talk about the Ai in the Wows then make another thread. Otherwise just accept the truth: you are off topic. But i am not offtopic becausei answer always to the original posters and so on. Can you try to become as good as i am? I for example stay in topics, win debates, enjoy the game- but you? You only suffer, loose, and spam. Isn't it so? It looks so. so, try to improve.

 

We can talk about Ai in the game in a separate topic- it is an interesting topic.

 

At the last you use the slang term Trolling. Obviously you don't know how to define it. Because in the propaganda sociums people just act and believe, they don't think. I have asked many times people to define or explain and they fail to do it. I doupt that you understand the words that you say includingthe Trolling word.

 

You say that i am trolling. But why is it so that you cannot prove your such popular typical opinion and other opinions? You are not able to prove me, Wg, sub players and some other open minded peopel anything. True? Yes, true. So, you can't prove anything. I know that in your faulty understandings trolling has a negative meaning but i don't do any trolling by even your faulty term definition. I stay in the topic, your hive doesn't. I answer all questions, but haters don't. I never spam and never use inadequate methods, but brainwashed league does. There is no trolling however you define that term.

[SolanumTuberosumRex]

2 hours ago, Fastmotion said:

I hope it is fine for you that i didn't read your italic text. There are 2-3 simple reasons why i skip such noise.

Seems that your offtopical  Deep-Ai is some kind of internet tool and your opinion is that it is not good enough tool. In my opinion a lot of Ai is better than humans. All sort of chess robots have very strong Ai and beat human. The word Bot comes fro mthe bigger word Robot and it is an honor to becalled Bot or robot- it means you are a God, very good. Bot = God.

If you want to talk about the Ai in the Wows then make another thread. Otherwise just accept the truth: you are off topic. But i am not offtopic becausei answer always to the original posters and so on. Can you try to become as good as i am? I for example stay in topics, win debates, enjoy the game- but you? You only suffer, loose, and spam. Isn't it so? It looks so. so, try to improve.

 

We can talk about Ai in the game in a separate topic- it is an interesting topic.

 

At the last you use the slang term Trolling. Obviously you don't know how to define it. Because in the propaganda sociums people just act and believe, they don't think. I have asked many times people to define or explain and they fail to do it. I doupt that you understand the words that you say includingthe Trolling word.

 

You say that i am trolling. But why is it so that you cannot prove your such popular typical opinion and other opinions? You are not able to prove me, Wg, sub players and some other open minded peopel anything. True? Yes, true. So, you can't prove anything. I know that in your faulty understandings trolling has a negative meaning but i don't do any trolling by even your faulty term definition. I stay in the topic, your hive doesn't. I answer all questions, but haters don't. I never spam and never use inadequate methods, but brainwashed league does. There is no trolling however you define that term.

He proved you are wrong.

[Fastmotion]

19 minutes ago, PsychoClownfish said:

He proved you are wrong.

Wrong in what? He didn't prove anything.

I give to all people who ocme to cry to me after battles an order/serial number.

He was probably number 72.

All hundreds lost arguments to me who came to complain to me, also number 72.

He didn't prove anything here or weeks ago.

If he practice more then he may one day prove something but today he is blind like you and your hive. I suggest to find a guru, and get rid of the hive.

[SolanumTuberosumRex]

19 minutes ago, Fastmotion said:

Wrong in what? He didn't prove anything.

I give to all people who ocme to cry to me after battles an order/serial number.

He was probably number 72.

All hundreds lost arguments to me who came to complain to me, also number 72.

He didn't prove anything here or weeks ago.

If he practice more then he may one day prove something but today he is blind like you and your hive. I suggest to find a guru, and get rid of the hive.

I just proved you are wrong.

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

2 hours ago, Fastmotion said:

I never spam and never use inadequate methods

Incorrect.

[SolanumTuberosumRex]

30 minutes ago, Europizza said:

Incorrect.

You just proved him wrong. Again.

[Nibenay78]

55 minutes ago, Fastmotion said:

I give to all people who ocme to cry to me after battles an order/serial number.

You also enumerate people, like the facists did?

[Nibenay78]

1 minute ago, Fastmotion said:

In 10 posts ago i commented about Subs something. But why can't you do obth things: win debates and stay in topics? It is not difficult at all.

1) Because you have not won a single debate in your life

2) Because it's pointless to debate with people that do not understand the most basic concepts of the game, what a proof is and show to manipulate and twist every argument into something else than the poster said. This is Comical Ali level of debating.

[Fastmotion]

3 minutes ago, Nibenay78 said:

1) Because you have not won a single debate in your life

2) Because it's pointless to debate with people that do not understand the most basic concepts of the game, what a proof is and show to manipulate and twist every argument into something else than the poster said. This is Comical Ali level of debating.

You didn't provide any reasonable reply why you are offtopic. I was totally in topic and talked about Subs jsut 10 posts above and thisi di in all thread and win both debates and am in topics. You can go check 10 posts ago and there are no intopical text from you and this is in most threads. And your other assumptions have no proof, you cant point like "go 9 posts above and look". In another thread i gave you a link which pointed where you clearly lost debate again and i said that go prove the opposite but you refused. Your opinions aneed more pointers, better evidence. You can just deny everything that the opponent says or just add primitively nonproven clauses like "i have never won naything". I even enumerate loosers as i said- your statements that i "have never ever anything" are just not believable. Try to find better methods, find some proof, and at the same time stay i nthe topic like a do as a fact. I am amazed why is it so difficult for your hive.

[Nibenay78]

8 minutes ago, Fastmotion said:

You didn't provide any reasonable reply why you are offtopic.

Because it will be classified as masochism to "debate" wows technicalities with you.

 

8 minutes ago, Fastmotion said:

I was totally in topic and talked about Subs jsut 10 posts above and thisi di in all thread and win both debates and am in topics. You can go check 10 posts ago and there are no intopical text from you and this is in most threads. And your other assumptions have no proof, you cant point like "go 9 posts above and look". In another thread i gave you a link which pointed where you clearly lost debate again and i said that go prove the opposite but you refused. Your opinions aneed more pointers, better evidence. You can just deny everything that the opponent says or just add primitively nonproven clauses like "i have never won naything". I even enumerate loosers as i said- your statements that i "have never ever anything" are just not believable. Try to find better methods, find some proof, and at the same time stay i nthe topic like a do as a fact. I am amazed why is it so difficult for your hive.

I have not seen any other statement than

 

"I think this therefore I am right"

or

"I won 10 posts ago"

[ghostbuster_]

21 minutes ago, Fastmotion said:

You didn't provide any reasonable reply why you are offtopic. I was totally in topic and talked about Subs jsut 10 posts above and thisi di in all thread and win both debates and am in topics. You can go check 10 posts ago and there are no intopical text from you and this is in most threads. And your other assumptions have no proof, you cant point like "go 9 posts above and look". In another thread i gave you a link which pointed where you clearly lost debate again and i said that go prove the opposite but you refused. Your opinions aneed more pointers, better evidence. You can just deny everything that the opponent says or just add primitively nonproven clauses like "i have never won naything". I even enumerate loosers as i said- your statements that i "have never ever anything" are just not believable. Try to find better methods, find some proof, and at the same time stay i nthe topic like a do as a fact. I am amazed why is it so difficult for your hive.

 

Oh but I'm sure. Its not delusional.

(Btw. Its waaaaay understated on that picture) 

[Fastmotion]

23 minutes ago, Nibenay78 said:

Because it will be classified as masochism to "debate" wows technicalities with you.

 

I have not seen any other statement than

 

"I think this therefore I am right"

or

"I won 10 posts ago"

With me plenty of people debated. And you seem to practice now your skills. You are not convincing with your masochism opinion. And if you feel pain in debates or in entertainment at all then why don't you do something to lower your sufferings.

You said that you have seen only 2 types of statements from me but again can you give some evidence. I know your hives behaviours well and i can make a listing because i have so much experience with propaganda sociums and your hive too. We can make a thread where i list your hives behaviours, it will be like a spec of your hive members/elements. For example if we look into your todays lost debate then there were many other methods than your 2. I don't say there "i think" but you do. You say there that you think that average 150 means 0-300 and many other things. And 10 posts ago i didn't won, but i was in the topic. But you were not in topic and never won.

 

Do you have at least one opinion i nthis life that differs from your hives typical attitudes and opinions?

Your league cannot stay in topic as i could 10 posts ago and for me it amazes. Also moderators have been suprised in my opinion about your offtopical spam. My suggestion is that fine, spam and do brainwashed hating and other propaganda, but try to be i nthe topic from time to time. It is not so difficult.

 

[Nibenay78]

2 minutes ago, Fastmotion said:

With me plenty of people debated. And you seem to practice now your skills. You are not convincing with your masochism opinion. And if you feel pain in debates or in entertainment at all then why don't you do something to lower your sufferings.

I will now! See you on the other side.

 

2 minutes ago, Fastmotion said:

You say there that you think that average 150 means 0-300 and many other things

I said we don't know what the range is and it could be 0-300 OR any other possibility, when you claimed it was 100-200k. Again you twist and lie. But it's enough lies now from your propaganda text. It's almost like you have grown up and lived in a certain country in the east.

[Fastmotion]

12 minutes ago, Nibenay78 said:

I said we don't know what the range is and it could be 0-300 OR any other possibility, when you claimed it was 100-200k. Again you twist and lie. But it's enough lies now from your propaganda text. It's almost like you have grown up and lived in a certain country in the east.

I responded to you there that no matter what was meant by the Average 150 it will still make a wrong statement.

You can go there and snwer the counter-questions and arguments that are waiting you there to answer. There is no need to think what happened there. Go and answer there if you have soemthing to answer. But the answering round is over and the winner of the debate was that party who answered everything and the looser was the one who failed to answer. This is how things are in life. Next time follow the suggestions that i gave to your hive somewhere earlier. One suggestion was that you must answer adequately to all counter-arguments and in the right order. That is an elementary suggestion and your hive failed even in that. Moderators are amazed, i am amazed, WG is probably amazed too about such argumentation skills. And the second main suggestion has been: try to stay in the topic as i do.

 

Even i nthis thread you haven't added anything considerable to the topic but i have and i can prove that to every topic. Why is it so difficult to just add some sentences about subs. Amazing.

[Nibenay78]

6 minutes ago, Fastmotion said:

I responded to you there that no matter what was meant by the Average 150 it will still make a wrong statement.

You can go there and snwer the counter-questions and arguments that are waiting you there to answer. There is no need to think what happened there. Go and answer there if you have soemthing to answer. But the answering round is over and the winner of the debate was that party who answered everything and the looser was the one who failed to answer. This is how things are in life. Next time follow the suggestions that i gave to your hive somewhere earlier. One suggestion was that you must answer adequately to all counter-arguments and in the right order. That is an elementary suggestion and your hive failed even in that. Moderators are amazed, i am amazed, WG is probably amazed too about such argumentation skills. And the second main suggestion has been: try to stay in the topic as i do.

 

Even i nthis thread you haven't added anything considerable to the topic but i have and i can prove that to every topic. Why is it so difficult to just add some sentences about subs. Amazing.

The above is amazing.

 

Submarines are played by players that enjoy griefing. There you go!

[Migantium_Mashum]

On 5/11/2022 at 9:57 PM, SkipperCH said:

I will make this as clear as possible - If this thread (like the others) derails into OT, insults, provocations or comparable stuff we will close it down.

 

 

You know maybe if WG listens to the majority who pay for the privilege of being ' S__T' by these experiments you might not get such bile from the playerbase....

 

Ever thought of that have you???