Subs again, again (sorry)

[venderbomb]

This is what grips my s**t!

 

This needs to stop WG, were not here to do your work for you. When people can take a ship out to play in randoms when they haven't spent anything on the tech tree and barely know they game you cause problems!

 

What can you possibly gain from this? Surely you can implement some sort of 'competence' mechanic? Person must do 10 games in co-op with a sub before randoms or must have at least 1 T10 ship before he can access the T10 sub

[COPlUM]

Collect data on how, why and to what extent submarines in their current state are hilariously overpowered in the right hands and entirely useless in the wrong hands. Maybe this is also why they are making us suffer through this on live servers. I mean, they cant post an ad asking pepegas, specifically, to come test the ship.

[SkipperCH]

I will make this as clear as possible - If this thread (like the others) derails into OT, insults, provocations or comparable stuff we will close it down.

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

Useless data is data too komrad. 

[NewHorizons_1]

This is just one of the many problems that have plagued the introduction of subs into the game.

It's even a problem in co-op where even the bot subs are more capable than some of the sub players.

It's a pattern that I see all to frequently I'm afraid - sub players who have got a T6 or 8 premium, played a few games in that to unlock the first sub, and then rinsed & repeated to T10 but not learnt anything on the way.

Even seen an account that was only a couple of weeks old who was sailing a T10 sub.

They often are a hindrance at T6 & 8 and are a liability at T10.

I dread to think what it's like in PvP when one sub player even vaguely knows what they're doing and the other doesn't appear to have a clue.

12 minutes ago, Europizza said:

Useless data is data too komrad. 

The problem is that subs appeared to be balanced around these inexperienced players.

 

It's a pity the recently announced tutorials couldn't have been used for skill-gate access to subs.

• Get rid of the +2 tier access, have to perform in same tier ships to unlock a sub
• Have to reach a certain level of average baseXP/damage in a tech-tree DD to access a sub - can be done in co-op
• To access subs in Randoms you have to reach a level of baseXP/damage in co-op with subs, maybe even with a minimum level of DD performance in randoms too.

[Tanaka_15]

idk if this is worth taking tbh. WG will force subs to us nomatter what. And they will predtend it is ok just like with CVs. Just dont give them cash. 

[anonym_cwVecOS6ecVy]

The game is all built around getting in, picking up a low tier premium or getting one gifted, then realizing you are getting more xp and credits at the top tiers, so players buy a tier 8 premium and so on and so on. All of this with only minor amount of battles. This is what WG wants, same for WoT. They do not care about the playerbase and the game's quality. They will never apply any skill restrictions as this would erase +75% of the users of whom ~60% play bad and very bad and ~15% below average as shown on this WoT EU example screen. The WG franchise has downvolved to shi**y kid's arcade games with a braindead and zombified 10 year olds playerbase. The worst thing is to keep getting motivated by good games. Nothing is good in reality. You will get a small amount of fun and a large amount of frustration, which is the WG excitement formula. The best thing you can do is stop playing at all if this bothers you too much as the situation will never improve.

 

 

[Karasu_Browarszky]

I'm trying to work out a strategy to minimize frustration (and spending, too, of course) by limiting my high tier gaming to just the ships that I really want to play. Grinding tier X's runs counter to this strategy, and is a major source of frustration for me. This is also why I don't like to do resets for research points, either. Fortunately, I just finally got rid of Riga so that's one painful grind less.

 

What I will do instead is focus more on the operations and low/mid tier gaming with a moderate amount of high tier battles on selected ships only. I will probably still see subs (and even more CV's), but what I hope to be at reduced levels of frustration. Fun pops up in about 1 engagement out of 10. Not perfect, but with 'controlled spending behavior' is probably the best approach for me short of quitting which I'm currently not (yet) prepared to do.

[ghostbuster_]

15 hours ago, SkipperCH said:

I will make this as clear as possible - If this thread (like the others) derails into OT, insults, provocations or comparable stuff we will close it down.

Close WG then? literally everything, they have done in last 3 years, has been an insult to players (at least to ones with at least avrg. IQ)

[KillStealBoss]

I've seen recently accounts that were created 3-4 years ago, one of them the guy didn't play it until like 2 months ago. And he has already 500 battles in subs while having less than 1000 in total. Playing 2 months only subs, so boring to play all the time same class for 2 months (at least for me). And there are plenty examples like this. 

[SolanumTuberosumRex]

45 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

I've seen recently accounts that were created 3-4 years ago, one of them the guy didn't play it until like 2 months ago. And he has already 500 battles in subs while having less than 1000 in total. Playing 2 months only subs, so boring to play all the time same class for 2 months (at least for me). And there are plenty examples like this. 

Seems fair.

 

If I remember correctly, when you start out in WoWs, it takes a while to be allowed to start in Randoms. You also don't get to T10 without reaching the previous tiers first. Why did WG skip this for subs?? It only compounds what it already an insurmountable problem.

Then again I don't want to see only competent subplayers in the game. The only thing worse than a potato subplayer is a good subplayer...

[Panocek]

4 hours ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

I'm trying to work out a strategy to minimize frustration (and spending, too, of course) by limiting my high tier gaming to just the ships that I really want to play.

You know, shelving the game and picking up when you're actually in the mood for boats work.

 

10 minutes ago, PsychoClownfish said:

The only thing worse than a potato subplayer is a good subplayer...

Tbh "good player" is going to be a headache regardless what he/she/apache plays

[humpty_1]

what drives me nuts (one of many) is when hunting a sub in the halland you basically need to be on top of it, which is fair enough. but then you can't bloody kill it because the dcs fire a mile in front of the bloody boat. bloody stupid tbh...

[_HomTanks_]

Many are missing the point and wasting their time and efforts by ranting here about subs, supershts, etc. This is what wegee wants you to do. To come here, use the forum for ranting and that's it. They don't give a crap about the forumites opinions (they rather take into consideration what their limited amount of discord friends say), they implement what they want to implement, regardless how much you rant, later (will) introduce premiums for subs and s.shts, expect to milk general player-base who don't even come here or discord or who come occasionally but don't give a f. So, why wasting time and your energy to rant, give ideas about how to make the game better, etc.? Wegee will do what they will as they have done until now, and their shills (mostly the ones who can free test ships) keep cheering for or defend them. This is what's been going on for years and nothing will change further on. Tl;dr?  Remember, no one, especially wegee doesn't care about your in-game experience. Period.

[Ronchabale]

On 5/11/2022 at 10:32 PM, venderbomb said:

This is what grips my s**t!

 

This needs to stop WG, were not here to do your work for you. When people can take a ship out to play in randoms when they haven't spent anything on the tech tree and barely know they game you cause problems!

 

What can you possibly gain from this? Surely you can implement some sort of 'competence' mechanic? Person must do 10 games in co-op with a sub before randoms or must have at least 1 T10 ship before he can access the T10 sub

Cleary we were fooled by the nice looking ships, the talk of historical accuaracy etc, we even thought it was a game of skill..

Sad reality tho..  Worldofwarships has evolved into a silly arcade game that anyone can play at any tier without any regard to level of skill.

Is this good or bad ? Well some games you wipeout the other team and some you get wiped out, you may with your skill salvage a few extra wins here and there, once in a while (when MM doesn´t screw up) there will be an real epic game like we often used to have 3-4 years ago (but not very often)

Hmm..

[tocqueville8]

8 hours ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

Grinding tier X's runs counter to this strategy, and is a major source of frustration for me. This is also why I don't like to do resets for research points, either.

 

If you hoard some dragon flags, you can do most of the reset grind at Tier 6-8, then FXP to the Tier 10 and reset. That way you hardly need to play high tiers.

 

That's what I just did on USN DDs: a few games with 20-50k between XP and FXP on Farragut, Mahan and Benson, and I didn't even need to play the Fletcher 

[NGC227]

Worse then subs

[Cammo1962]

4 minutes ago, NGC227 said:

Worse then subs

Thats the risk you take going out in brawls @NGC227

[Karasu_Browarszky]

24 minutes ago, tocqueville8 said:

 

If you hoard some dragon flags, you can do most of the reset grind at Tier 6-8, then FXP to the Tier 10 and reset. That way you hardly need to play high tiers.

 

That's what I just did on USN DDs: a few games with 20-50k between XP and FXP on Farragut, Mahan and Benson, and I didn't even need to play the Fletcher 

 

That's a good idea. In the past, it was tier 7.. and tier 9 which I think were the worst to grind. Especially tier 9, and it's probably even worse now...

[OldSchoolFrankie]

With all his experience, he almost lost the match for us in the end. It's just annoying.


But Wargaming seems satisfied, at least that's how I interpret their behavior. I don't want to be a test object anymore, can you please freeze the premium time for the test period.
 

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

2 hours ago, OldSchoolFrankie said:

With all his experience, he almost lost the match for us in the end. It's just annoying.


But Wargaming seems satisfied, at least that's how I interpret their behavior. I don't want to be a test object anymore, can you please freeze the premium time for the test period.
 

They wont because fek you customer 

[Shirakami_Kon]

2 hours ago, OldSchoolFrankie said:

With all his experience, he almost lost the match for us in the end. It's just annoying.


But Wargaming seems satisfied, at least that's how I interpret their behavior. I don't want to be a test object anymore, can you please freeze the premium time for the test period.
 

He's a wonderful WG submarine tester providing data of the highest value of how tier 10 submarines are so carefully balanced that they are still vastly underwhelming, why you bully him? smh, people these days have no respect anymore...

[SolanumTuberosumRex]

9 hours ago, Panocek said:

Tbh "good player" is going to be a headache regardless what he/she/apache plays

Definitely. But even a superunicum in a Slava or Yama can be hit. And angled against. In a sub, not so much.

[NewHorizons_1]

An account just over a month old, with T10 subs.

Must have mainly used the Ranger to get the T6 subs, then used those to get the T8s. Rinse & repeat to T10.

He's not taken them into Random yet, though he's has taken the T8 subs in there a few times.

Have "fun" guys ... when this chap is on your team.

 

[SolanumTuberosumRex]

6 hours ago, NewHorizons_1 said:

An account just over a month old, with T10 subs.

Must have mainly used the Ranger to get the T6 subs, then used those to get the T8s. Rinse & repeat to T10.

He's not taken them into Random yet, though he's has taken the T8 subs in there a few times.

Have "fun" guys ... when this chap is on your team.

 

Yep. What could possibly go wrong?

But like I said earlier, the only thing worse than a bad subplayer is a good subplayers. It really doesn't matter how well it's played. They f*ck up the game without fail.