Remove Submarines

[JeanLouisII]

Vor 20 Minuten, Fastmotion sagte:

You say that a baby in a tank makes the tank harmless. Yes, it makes it, that is the reality. We both agree with that. Why do you think that such argument is stupid. That argument talks about reality. And the reality is that tanks are harmless. Wil lthat reality change i nthe future after children grow up and become good tankers? well, in the future maybe yes, but until then the reality is that tanks are harmless. And, it is only your opinion that tanks have nowadays only babies inside. There are good players inside tanks too but most of the time their input is irrelevant because tanks are weak.

 

I don't watch live streams because i believe that there is no need for anything live  and in real time and old tutorial Youtube videos are more appropriate. This is my opinion about streams and you may have a different opinion. So, you don't need anything Live and those live streams have 99.8% of info that is not educational and useless. Make an interview with players who watched a live stream and ask them which knowledge they got. Their answer will be empty. They won't mention that in the stream the re was sugegsted to do so and so. No, in the stream talk about donuts and money and popular slogans. That's why i don't think that streams teach anything. If you think that people learn by just watching silently then again i doupt in that and the their reports afterwards woulkd still be empty. So, i don't think that anyone should watch any streams. But if you think differently then why not go and watch, i won't.

 

I think didn't understand your main idea about nuclear bombs. If Subs are like nuclear bombs then Subs should be in TOP 1 in all battle results. But the reality is that Subs are harmlessly in the lower bottom of the results and i doupot that they ever will dominate the TOP 3. When it happens then it will be the time to balance them little bit. But at the moment, no.

 

 

my argument is, that subs are completely overpowered in hands of good players. good players are TOP in battle results in submarines.

 

i see why u like submarines. you overperform in submarines a lot in comparison to your overall stats. alone your killrate in submarines is double as high as in other classes. seems like submarines are easier to play for u then other ships...

[Migantium_Mashum]

Just now, Cammo1962 said:

They will properly make him a CC @Migantium_Mashum  

 

Don't give them any more stupid ideas mate.... 

[Cammo1962]

Just now, Migantium_Mashum said:

Don't give them any more stupid ideas mate.... 

Sorry could not help it 

[Montrala]

3 minuty temu, Shirakami_Kon napisał:

This is just a loss of brain cells at this point. Someone just lock the thread already.

 

Feeding a troll is not against forum rules, you know

[Migantium_Mashum]

1 minute ago, Montrala said:

 

Feeding a troll is not against forum rules, you know

Where are the Three Billy Goats Gruff when you really need them... 

[Shirakami_Kon]

3 minutes ago, Montrala said:

 

Feeding a troll is not against forum rules, you know

Yeah, I actually have fun with that usually just to make them see that it doesn't work, but this person is beyond that. this is not your usual troll, in two responses has forgot that "his tank example" was actually mine. This is a literal delusional person that needs some help.

[JeanLouisII]

guys @fastmotion is just crazy overperforming in submarines in comparison to all other classes he plays. thats why he likes subs and he wants them to be in the game. he has more average damage and more kills in them than in average classes, which already shows, that even very bad players can make them work if they start to hit a ping from time to time.

 

https://worldofwarships.eu/de/community/accounts/503598166-Fastmotion/!/pvp/ships/?bestShip=z-44

 

his avg killrate is 0,23, his killrate in subs is 0.5x^^

his winrate in submarines is 5% higher than with other classes...

[Fastmotion]

18 minutes ago, _Lupastro_ said:

C'mon sorry to say this but seem that you understand nothing about subs spot mechanics and why they are toxic for the game.

The only harmless sub is the one handled by a total noob.

There are tons of videos and posts that show that subs are just game breaking.

You say that someone doesn't understand something but you don't provide any proof for you opinion. The same thing would be to say that "you are dumb". Such saying is useless and in your case you evaluate my knowledge on a post that doesn't talk anything about playing techniques or knowledge.

 

You say that subs are harmless if they are played by noobs and other people said that most sub players are in majority so called noobs. In that case you and those other peopel together prove that Subs are harmless nowadays because noobs play them mostly. So, you and others here prove yourself that Subs are harmless.

You say that there are tons of arguments that prove your opinion. But WG, me and thousands of subs players have seen all of the arguments already and proved that those arguments are wrong. And why do you need to believe in something that others prove tons of ways if you cannot use simple sentences to say yourself some arguments even those ones from the tons of arguments that you mention. You sound like "there are tons of opinions saying that pork and the word War are bad and therefore i blindly believe them". Well, i don't prefer to believe anything blindly, also WGand thousands of Sub players agree with me. Is it okay if we keep different opinions or does it hurt somehow if others have different opinions than you?

 

8 minutes ago, JeanLouisII said:

guys @fastmotion is just crazy overperforming in submarines in comparison to all other classes he plays. thats why he likes subs and he wants them to be in the game. he has more average damage and more kills in them than in average classes, which already shows, that even very bad players can make them work if they start to hit a ping from time to time.

 

https://worldofwarships.eu/de/community/accounts/503598166-Fastmotion/!/pvp/ships/?bestShip=z-44

 

his avg killrate is 0,23, his killrate in subs is 0.5x^^

his winrate in submarines is 5% higher than with other classes...

I repeat that it does not matter which numbers one has from high school or form Wot numbers.

If you can't understand that then i suggest to come to my forum and i explain why wot stats are irrelevant.

 

8 minutes ago, Shirakami_Kon said:

Yeah, I actually have fun with that usually just to make them see that it doesn't work, but this person is beyond that. this is not your usual troll, in two responses has forgot that "his tank example" was actually mine. This is a literal delusional person that needs some help.

 

You say that the tank example was originally yours. Well, i formluated it little bit differently than you but i don't claim that it is my creration. Go and declare the example to be yours and ireplied to it and the other person said that the tank example is bad but didn't explain reasonable way why. sSo it is up to you if you agree with him that your tank example is bad or not. I can create new examples if people want. So, i don't understand the point of your idea with the tank talk.

 

You say that you have fun or troll. Well, in my opinion it is healthy if you have fun in the entertainment like billiards, tennis, Wows. I hope you enjoy the Wows entertainment not only right now here but also later in the game and won't get mental stress and won't do hate speach. Just enjoy like me, WG and thousands of sub players.

 

Seems that you use the last popular method by saying that the person is mentally not well and therefore al lhis arguments are wrong. Such thing is popular to say when you have lost all arguments/options. One more famous way is ot report/ban the person to create appearance that the argumentation silenced with your opinion being victorious. I suggest that come and prove your opinions in my clan's forum if you want to win this argumentation. Here all your arguments have been defeated and you start to use totally irrelevant methods like calling the opposite party dumb or delusional. Me, WG and thousands of players see things very clearly with our eyes, no delusions, no false believes.

[El2aZeR]

4 minutes ago, Fastmotion said:

Well, i don't prefer to believe anything blindly

 

Clearly you do.

[Cammo1962]

2 minutes ago, Fastmotion said:

You say that there are tons of arguments that prove your opinion. But WG, me and thousands of subs players have seen all of the arguments already and proved that those arguments are wrong. And why do you need to believe in something that others prove tons of ways if you cannot use simple sentences to say yourself some arguments even those ones from the tons of arguments that you mention. You sound like "there are tons of opinions saying that pork and the word War are bad and therefore i blindly believe them". Well, i don't prefer to believe anything blindly, also WGand thousands of Sub players agree with me. Is it okay if we keep different opinions or does it hurt somehow if others have different opinions than you?

There is and there you go again you have just said to me that there is no We or All and yet you use the words that you say i cant use 

[Shirakami_Kon]

I miss Skybuck Flying. At least he was funny, and the poor guy got banned for less...

[_Lupastro_]

[JeanLouisII]

Vor 13 Minuten, Fastmotion sagte:

You say that someone doesn't understand something but you don't provide any proof for you opinion. The same thing would be to say that "you are dumb". Such saying is useless and in your case you evaluate my knowledge on a post that doesn't talk anything about playing techniques or knowledge.

 

You say that subs are harmless if they are played by noobs and other people said that most sub players are in majority so called noobs. In that case you and those other peopel together prove that Subs are harmless nowadays because noobs play them mostly. So, you and others here prove yourself that Subs are harmless.

You say that there are tons of arguments that prove your opinion. But WG, me and thousands of subs players have seen all of the arguments already and proved that those arguments are wrong. And why do you need to believe in something that others prove tons of ways if you cannot use simple sentences to say yourself some arguments even those ones from the tons of arguments that you mention. You sound like "there are tons of opinions saying that pork and the word War are bad and therefore i blindly believe them". Well, i don't prefer to believe anything blindly, also WGand thousands of Sub players agree with me. Is it okay if we keep different opinions or does it hurt somehow if others have different opinions than you?

 

I repeat that it does not matter which numbers one has from high school or form Wot numbers.

If you can't understand that then i suggest to come to my forum and i explain why wot stats are irrelevant.

 

what do i care about wot numbers.

i care about your submarine stats, and these are broken as hell in comparison to your overall gaming skill.

 

[Fastmotion]

4 minutes ago, JeanLouisII said:

what do i care about wot numbers.

i care about your submarine stats, and these are broken as hell in comparison to your overall gaming skill.

 

A i said all stats are irrelevant but that is an offtopic. You sohuld not care about irrelevant things.

Me and others have stats that depend on many factors and not on the ship type. This is a different topic as i said and you can talk about in in my clan's forum.

Even if you manage one day to prove that Sub stats show that theyare bad then good luck with that and that will be another topic. Here people say that Sub players are harmless.

[JeanLouisII]

Vor 5 Minuten, Fastmotion sagte:

A i said all stats are irrelevant but that is an offtopic. You sohuld not care about irrelevant things. 

Me and others have stats that depend on many factors and not on the ship type. This is a different topic as i said and you can talk about in in my clan's forum. 

Even if you manage one day to prove that Sub stats show that theyare bad then good luck with that and that will be another topic. Here people say that Sub players are harmless. 

so u are saying that stats doesnt tell if your a good player or a bad player?

[Fastmotion]

1 minute ago, JeanLouisII said:

so u are saying that stats doesnt tell if your a good player or a bad player?

Yes, but i agree to talk about in only my own forum.

[Shirakami_Kon]

WG's spreadsheet will have a word with him about stats being irrelevant. 

[JeanLouisII]

Vor 1 Minute, Fastmotion sagte:

Yes, but i agree to talk about in only my own forum.

so i have to ask you why all the best clans in this game only have players with over 60-65% winrate in there clans?????????

why dont they have players with 40% in there clan?????55

[Shirakami_Kon]

5 minutes ago, JeanLouisII said:

so i have to ask you why all the best clans in this game only have players with over 60-65% winrate in there clans?????????

why dont they have players with 40% in there clan?????55

You wouldn't understand.

 

Unlike him.

[NewHorizons_1]

3 hours ago, Fastmotion said:

1. If Subs are difficult to counter, everyone hates them or are other way bad then why are there thousands of Subs players every day and why are they most of the battle results at the bottom? How would you answer that?

Certainly in co-op, not sure about Randoms, a lot of sub players are just plain bad I'm afraid to say.

Access to subs, especially the high tier ones, has been far, far too easy.

I've seen players with accounts that are only two or three weeks old who have been in T10 subs.

Their highest tier surface ships are premiums, and their tech tree ships are still low/mid tier.

They must basically use these premiums to get the T6 sub, and then use that (and the premiums) to get to the T8.

Rinse & repeat for the T10 subs.

Many have Random WRs around 45% (or worse) and their co-op stats aren't great either.

OK, a good player may initially score poorly as they familiarize themselves with submarines, but most sub players just aren't very good.

I suspect some of these players do privately recognize they're not great (in surface ships) and use the sub's stealth in an attempt to survive longer.

[Fastmotion]

9 minutes ago, Shirakami_Kon said:

You wouldn't understand.

 

Unlike him.

You are right. People don't understand and the main reason is a so called brainwash. People adopt believes that are popular without any logics or arguments. For example, have you heard that people just al ltogether don't use the word "war" is some countries and don't eat pork? And they have no good explanations for such believes. The same is in Wows that there are popular to hate something and popular compare stats and believe in stats. Stats are totally irrelevant but this is a different topic. I don't think that you want to change your believes so i suggest you to keep believing that stats matter and that Subs are bad. But it is healthy if you sometimes see different opinions/belives. For example those that WG, me and thousands of players have every day.

If you want to talk about stats, subs or anything else then come to my forum and tal kthere. Why not here? Because in my forum we follow Human Rights and other reasonable rights and you can even be offtopic there and so on. In this topic you can continue to spread you opinion about subs as the topic's title says but now you got some healthy input from me into this topic. That is really healthy, believe me, mentally and other ways.

 

7 minutes ago, NewHorizons_1 said:

Certainly in co-op, not sure about Randoms, a lot of sub players are just plain bad I'm afraid to say.

Certainly you are wrong by saying that sub players are in Coop battles only. No, they are mostly in Randoms. My eyes see that and i can provide 5  consecuent Random battles games which includes Subs and show that they place in harmless bottom position in the results. Your own eyes can look and see that truth. But your mind says here something else, it says that Subs are played in Coop or something.

I suggest you to believe whatever you want and let others believe their own eyes for example and to belive in arguments and the reality.

[NewHorizons_1]

7 minutes ago, Fastmotion said:

Certainly you are wrong by saying that sub players are in Coop battles only. No, they are mostly in Randoms.

I never said that. I said that in the case of co-op it is certain that many sub players are not very good.

Hence

13 minutes ago, NewHorizons_1 said:

not sure about Randoms,

[Shirakami_Kon]

5 minutes ago, Fastmotion said:

You are right. People don't understand and the main reason is a so called brainwash. People adopt believes that are popular without any logics or arguments. For example, have you heard that people just al ltogether don't use the word "war" is some countries and don't eat pork? And they have no good explanations for such believes. The same is in Wows that there are popular to hate something and popular compare stats and believe in stats. Stats are totally irrelevant but this is a different topic. I don't think that you want to change your believes so i suggest you to keep believing that stats matter and that Subs are bad. But it is healthy if you sometimes see different opinions/belives. For example those that WG, me and thousands of players have every day.

If you want to talk about stats, subs or anything else then come to my forum and tal kthere. Why not here? Because in my forum we follow Human Rights and other reasonable rights and you can even be offtopic there and so on. In this topic you can continue to spread you opinion about subs as the topic's title says but now you got some healthy input from me into this topic. That is really healthy, believe me, mentally and other ways.

Damn. You're absolutely right. I never realized WG brainwashed me into hating their game and stop spending on it. Thanks for opening my eyes.

 

Subs are a hoax hacked into the game to make us believe this is what WG is adding to the game so we hate them and we don't see how they are trying their utmost to recover control of the game and get rid of subs. Come on, guys, Have you already forgot how they said submarines don't fit the game and they would never add them to the game? Open your eyes, people!

[JeanLouisII]

@Fastmotion

 

so i have to ask you why all the best clans in this game only have players with over 60-65% winrate in there clans?????????

why dont they have players with 40% in there clan?????55 

[Fastmotion]

10 minutes ago, Shirakami_Kon said:

Damn. You're absolutely right. I never realized WG brainwashed me into hating their game and stop spending on it. Thanks for opening my eyes.

 

Subs are a hoax hacked into the game to make us believe this is what WG is adding to the game so we hate them and we don't see how they are trying their utmost to recover control of the game and get rid of subs. Come on, guys, Have you already forgot how they said submarines don't fit the game and they would never add them to the game? Open your eyes, people!

Looks like you say that Subs don't fit into the game. They fit and should be part of the game because i nthe reality in real world Subs exist. Also in the game they exist and other people here say that they are harmless if you read them here. If anybody can prove one day that they are too strong then there is no need to remove them but only to make them weaker. For example if at the moment a sub's torp makes ca 2'000 damage to a 100'000 HP BB and it is proved to be too big number then it is wise to lower the damage from 2000 to 1700 for example.