Remove Submarines

[Fastmotion]

27 minutes ago, Cammo1962 said:

So what you are saying is that we that dont like subs in the game are all wrong regarding what we say about them (boring/not fun and dont fit in). 

 

Your whole opinion is wrong because you repeat the famous generalization that was done earlier by someone "all hates subs". You say the same opinion by saying "we/all say that subs are boring". So, your whole opinion is wrong because there are no We and no All to have such opinion. For example me and Wg and thousand Sub players every day have a different opinion and they are not part of the "we all hate subs" people. I already explained that to someone if you look upwards. There are millions who thinks that pork and the word War are bad and prohibited and Subs are bad but there are also people who don't follow such opinions. For example, do you avoid pork because billions say that pork is not cool and fun? No, you don't avoid it, also you use the word War if you see tanks shooting each other in some countries. Also you play Subs with thousands of other people who like Subs. So, there is no truth in the phrase "all hates subs". And the belief "we all hate subs" is not correct because who are those We/Us? All beleives with terms "everyone" and "we all" are just not valid. It is popular to repeat some slogans like "subs and pork and the word War are bad" but why should you follow such slogans?

 

You say those who say that Subs are not good are wrong. Well, by arguments they are wrong. WG, me and thousands of players every day, science, logics, court, they don't see anything right in the "subs are bad" opinion and arguments.

But let people be wrong and believe what they want. In life people believe in many things and many opinions have no good arguments. But yes, you can say that all majority who believe in the subs slogans are wrong. It is something like most people are wrong about CO2 gas production in Europe. The reality is that Europe produces less than 1% of bad gas for the athmosphere and is therefore irrelevant but still it is popular to talk about how to lower the CO2 level in Europe. The same way it is popular to repeat that Subs are bad but actually battle results show that Subs are harmless and irrelevant.

 

So, you don't have any reasonable arguments but you try to ask if Sub-haters are wrong. The short answer is Yes. But WG, me, and thousands Sub players don't get mental stress if people are wrong or have different opinions.

 

I add some additional arguments for peopel to think about. Can you explain why WG, me and thousands Sub players every day ignore your hate speach about Subs? Why they ignore you if you speak the truth and the right thing? Isn't the answer such that you actually don't speak truth about Subs and your arguments are actually all wrong? Can it be so or not? What is the explanation why WG, me and thousands people don't agree with you? Maybe after thinking about such question would help you to understand. But all the argumentation should also help to give understanding.

 

 

[Shirakami_Kon]

59 minutes ago, Fastmotion said:

Bla bla bla

The fact that you can't counter something doesn't mean it's a good individual ship or something that will win the game singlehandedly. You should start by realizing that difference to start making a shred of sense with your blabbering. Not having a counter to something means that the interaction with that thing is one directional. Submarine can strike you at will, you can't do anything with it unless they screw up, which hopefully they do, because 99% of the playerbase doesn't even know how to play them, leading to their abysmal results you mention. If the player sucks there's no remedy. You could give the average submarine player a Petropavlosk and would still be the first blood of the match.

 

As for repeating the same arguments, maybe has to do with you struggling with defending yourself with your completely flawed statements about what subs are or not, and failing miserably to prove that the answers brought to you are wrong, but hey, continue living in your happy world mate.

[HMS_Britannia]

I think this tells us all we need to know about this trolls, facts and game knowledge 

 

and to no one’s surprise they have both super cv and are predictably terrible in both of them, so likes to troll on the forum and tries to play both greifer classes in game and fails with at least one of them. I think we ahve found WGs perfect player 

[Fastmotion]

3 minutes ago, Shirakami_Kon said:

The fact that you can't counter something doesn't mean it's a good individual ship or something that will win the game singlehandedly. You should start by realizing that difference to start making a shred of sense with your blabbering. Not having a counter to something means that the interaction with that thing is one directional. Submarine can strike you at will, you can't do anything with it unless they screw up, which hopefully they do, because 99% of the playerbase doesn't even know how to play them, leading to their abysmal results you mention. If the player sucks there's no remedy. You could give the average submarine player a Petropavlosk and would still be the first blood of the match.

 

As for repeating the same arguments, maybe has to do with you struggling with defending yourself with your completely flawed statements about what subs are or not, and failing miserably to prove that the answers brought to you are wrong, but hey, continue living in your happy world mate.

The argoument that you can't counter some ship types was defeated earlier and you repeat it now again here. As i said peopel tend to repeat their lost arguments by rephrasing the same argument.

You can go and look the answers for that countering argument. One answer asks you that if you can't counter something then why that overpowered thing is most of the times i nthe bottom of the battle results? If it is so overpowered as believed then why isn't it in TOP 3? You can't answer that question, do you? You just rephrase you belief soon and repeat the argument that says that you can't counter something. Secondly, as we said, many ship types have things that are difficult to counter. For example if a ship has spotting ability to see you beheind the rock in 12km distance then that is very difficult to defeat and such ships are usually in TOP 3 in the results. So, many ships have advantages and there are no such ship type which is always in TOP 3 with their advantages. I explained already that Subs are very slow and have not enough air and have weak torps so they are harmless. And if you think that your team can't counter subs then that is wrong again and again explained earlier. You see very well where the sonar ping comes from no matter what some Youtubers represent to you. Your team must learn some teamwork and tactics if they want to be effective against subs. But why should someone be effective to someone if the overall goal is the team victory? It is normal that in the war there are so called front line meat that just dies and cannot defend themselves and cannot counter anything. And so on. All the arguments you said have been answered earlier. You just like to repeat your opinions by rephrasing them. Well, i let you all have your opinion. But i repeat that let WG, me and thousands Sub players have their different opinion, specially when al lthe arguments support WG, me and Sub players.

[Fastmotion]

14 minutes ago, HMS_Britannia said:

I think this tells us all we need to know about this trolls, facts and game knowledge 

 

and to no one’s surprise they have both super cv and are predictably terrible in both of them, so likes to troll on the forum and tries to play both greifer classes in game and fails with at least one of them. I think we ahve found WGs perfect player 

 

What i said earlier:

1 hour ago, Fastmotion said:

Or, they try something like: "your have ugly hair cut and bad grades from the highschool and your Englis is bad- so your opinion must be wrong". Well, such argument is not usable either.

 

As i said you and other people when they loose i nargumentation they try to use arguments like "your score is bad and therefore your opinions are be wrong" or "your Englis is bad and therefore you are wrong" or "your highschool grades are bad and therefore your arguments now are wrong". Well, asi explained such argumentation is not valid and not usable. If i said and proved that 2+2 is 4 and you come to tell me that i am wrong because my Wot stats are bad or because my English is bad then nobody counts your such opinion. You can't prove that 2+2 is not 4 because of my english or hair cut. I don't know how other way to explai nthat idea. WG, me, and thousands of Subs players ignore your opinions when you try to prove them with some kind of external numbers and things.

I can represent pictures of 5 battles in a row where subs all performed as the bottom of the TOP results. That picture would have some value but your picture above about someones stats doesn't have any value and proves only that people who use such pictures and arguments must be brainwashed or how to call them.

 

Also you mention about trolls. Can you define what is that? I think you believe that a troll is something who uses the word War while majority doesn't use it. And, a troll is someone who eats pork while billions are afraid to eat it and don't eat it. Is this the definition of the slang word Troll? If yes, then that slang word is just a title used by brainwashed people to silence others who havea different opinion. Isn't it?

[HMS_Britannia]

9 minutes ago, Fastmotion said:

 

What i said earlier:

 

As i said you and other people when they loose i nargumentation they try to use arguments like "your score is bad and therefore your opinions are be wrong" or "your Englis is bad and therefore you are wrong" or "your highschool grades are bad and therefore your arguments now are wrong". Well, asi explained such argumentation is not valid and not usable. If i said and proved that 2+2 is 4 and you come to tell me that i am wrong because my Wot stats are bad or because my English is bad then nobody counts your such opinion. You can't prove that 2+2 is not 4 because of my english or hair cut. I don't know how other way to explai nthat idea. WG, me, and thousands of Subs players ignore your opinions when you try to prove them with some kind of external numbers and things.

Those numbers are not external they are your numbers for this game. 
and your experience and skill are very much relevant when talking about game mechanics counter-play etc as you clearly don’t understand how this game works so your view is distorted as you don’t know what you are doing.

you loose more than you win and your performances in all classes are BAD so how can you possibly pretend to argue from a position of knowledge when it’s clear you don’t know how this game works even on a basic level 

[Montrala]

I recently decided to blacklist everyone I met playing in subs. I just do not see a need to have any sort of interaction with anyone enjoying them.

 

Funny enough, what I see most of people enjoying them are those completely unable to play anything else. Even playing CVs seems to be too much challenge for them, looking at stats. They are just looking for even more "easy mode" than that.

 

[Fastmotion]

Just now, HMS_Britannia said:

Those numbers are not external they are your numbers for this game. 
and your experience and skill are very much relevant when talking about game mechanics counter-play etc as you clearly don’t understand how this game works so your view is distorted as you don’t know what you are doing.

you loose more than you win and your performances in all classes are BAD so how can you possibly argue from a position of knowledge when it’s clear you don’t know how this game works even on a basic level 

Those numbers are irrelevant like other external things. Those are historical average numbers about all ship types except Subs as i understand and they are for older game versions when Subs didn't even exist and the game was many other way different. It is obvious that such numbers have nothing to do with topics like "why subs are bad" or "why 2+2 is 4". Do you think that if a person have such historical numbers bad then 2+2 is not 4? It is irrelevant what historical numbers anyone has and the only relevant things are the arguments that are represented. WG, me, and thousands of Sub players don't see anything resonable in your arguments. Provide clear arguments about the topic and don't use external offtopic things like historical numbers or English mistakes etc. Why should anyone believe you if you try to prove that Subs are bad because someone has low historical rating in all ship types?

 

Do you agree that your whole opinion is wrong as i explained? If you don't agree then let other people stay i ntheir different opinion and you believe whatever you want? Me, WG, and thousands of players will never believe your arguments and other popular defeated arguments- let it just be so.

[Shirakami_Kon]

26 minutes ago, Fastmotion said:

The argoument that you can't counter some ship types was defeated earlier and you repeat it now again here. As i said peopel tend to repeat their lost arguments by rephrasing the same argument.

You can go and look the answers for that countering argument. One answer asks you that if you can't counter something then why that overpowered thing is most of the times i nthe bottom of the battle results? If it is so overpowered as believed then why isn't it in TOP 3?

What part of something being only as good as who's behind it wasn't clear? You can't expect submarines to be broken on a regular basis when WG is handing even the tier 10 submarine to people who just came into the game and played 50 games and is in a Balao at tier 10 like "woooow, this is cool" and gets smashed. Everytime you see a sub at the bottom of the score just check their profile and stats, try to spot any 55-60% winrate player that proves that he knows what he's doing.

 

The old and experienced playerbase isn't playing submarines because the concept is boring and lame as it gets. So after starting to test them and after the initial curiosity of regular players, we dropped them immediately, they are just bland farming machines with an extremely dull playstile that's now what any of the long time players came to this game for. So WG solution to that was to hand submarines to literally everyone by just playing a few matches, so 99% of submarines are complete subpar players that can't even achieve nothing in those subs because they don't even understand them and buffs submarines based on the performance of that absolute abysmal level of player. But then you see someone as Mr. Gibbins on stream helm a submarine properly and they can disrupt entire flanks alone and sunk 3-4 ships from complete health with near 0 retaliation possible.

 

But if your best argument is that that doesn't prove anything because the player that sucks sucks and we should keep pandering to them more so the game gets even more ruined go ahead. Kinda understandable seeing your own stats.

[Fastmotion]

7 minutes ago, Montrala said:

I recently decided to blacklist everyone I met playing in subs. I just do not see a need to have any sort of interaction with anyone enjoying them.

 

Funny enough, what I see most of people enjoying them are those completely unable to play anything else. Even playing CVs seems to be too much challenge for them, looking at stats. They are just looking for even more "easy mode" than that.

 

Blacklisting and reporting are abused as i told earlier and therefore those things are bad. People come to cry to me often after battles and ask why i didn't answer to their tactical question in the chat and i answer that i didn't have the Human Right to asnwer to you because you yourself removed that right from me. But here again i suggest that report and block if you like and have your opinions. In my clan's forum we have written a clear rule that reporting is against Human Rights and therefore prohibited for clan members.

 

You seem to say that most Sub players can't play well other ship types. My eyes see differently that and other issues. I have even seen in the Ranked battles Sub players who are good in al lship types, but also in Randoms. Let's agree that peoples' eyes see differently, okay? I don't support negative attitudes in entertainment games. For example, i don't support the hate speach that subs are bad or that sub players have bad skills as you say. In my opinion i nthe entertainment like billarrds/pool i nthe pub and in computer gamesl ike Wows you must enjoy and never go to report to bar tender anything and be happy when both loosing and winning and not care about which skillset others have or which historical grades you had.

 

 

[Cammo1962]

42 minutes ago, Fastmotion said:

 

1 Your whole opinion is wrong because you repeat the famous generalization that was done earlier by someone "all hates subs". You say the same opinion by saying "we/all say that subs are boring". 2 So, your whole opinion is wrong because there are no We and no All to have such opinion. For example me and Wg and thousand Sub players every day have a different opinion and they are not part of the "we all hate subs" people. I already explained that to someone if you look upwards. There are millions who thinks that pork and the word War are bad and prohibited and Subs are bad but there are also people who don't follow such opinions. For example, do you avoid pork because billions say that pork is not cool and fun? No, you don't avoid it, also you use the word War if you see tanks shooting each other in some countries. Also you play Subs with thousands of other people who like Subs. So, there is no truth in the phrase "all hates subs". And the belief "we all hate subs" is not correct because who are those We/Us? All beleives with terms "everyone" and "we all" are just not valid. It is popular to repeat some slogans like "subs and pork and the word War are bad" but why should you follow such slogans?

 

You say those who say that Subs are not good are wrong. 3: Well, by arguments they are wrong. WG, me and thousands of players every day, science, logics, court, they don't see anything right in the "subs are bad" opinion and arguments.

But let people be wrong and believe what they want. In life people believe in many things and many opinions have no good arguments. 4 But yes, you can say that all majority who believe in the subs slogans are wrong. It is something like most people are wrong about CO2 gas production in Europe. The reality is that Europe produces less than 1% of bad gas for the athmosphere and is therefore irrelevant but still it is popular to talk about how to lower the CO2 level in Europe. The same way it is popular to repeat that Subs are bad but actually battle results show that Subs are harmless and irrelevant.

 

So, you don't have any reasonable arguments but you try to ask if Sub-haters are wrong. The short answer is Yes. But WG, me, and thousands Sub players don't get mental stress if people are wrong or have different opinions.

 

I add some additional arguments for peopel to think about. Can you explain why WG, me and thousands Sub players every day ignore your hate speach about Subs? Why they ignore you if you speak the truth and the right thing? 5 Isn't the answer such that you actually don't speak truth about Subs and your arguments are actually all wrong? Can it be so or not? What is the explanation why WG, me and thousands people don't agree with you? Maybe after thinking about such question would help you to understand. But all the argumentation should also help to give understanding.

 

 

1: My hole opinion is wrong ?? So there is no We and no All to have such a opinion ?? 2: Then i have to ask who the f... are you to tell me or others not to have such a opinion ?? 3: And i can actually say the same thing here. 4: Stick to the subject and dont fiddle anything else in pls 5: I have been up against subs i have dropped my depth charges right on top of them and i could not kill them i have seen videoss from other streames that have been chasing subs that was under warter and they could barly keep up with them and i even saw a video of a streamer dropping 16 depth charges at a sub right over him and he could still not kill the sub. The constant ping you cant do anything to is murder and to pursuit a sub is suicide you are constant perma spotted and will be focused fired at from the enemy team because you have no chance to go dark.

[Fastmotion]

5 minutes ago, Shirakami_Kon said:

What part of something being only as good as who's behind it wasn't clear? You can't expect submarines to be broken on a regular basis when WG is handing even the tier 10 submarine to people who just came into the game and played 50 games and is in a Balao at tier 10 like "woooow, this is cool" and gets smashed. Everytime you see a sub at the bottom of the score just check their profile and stats, try to spot any 55-60% winrate player that proves that he knows what he's doing.

 

The old and experienced playerbase isn't playing submarines because the concept is boring and lame as it gets. So after starting to test them and after the initial curiosity of regular players, we dropped them immediately, they are just bland farming machines with an extremely dull playstile that's now what any of the long time players came to this game for. So WG solution to that was to hand submarines to literally everyone by just playing a few matches, so 99% of submarines are complete subpar players that can't even achieve nothing in those subs because they don't even understand them and buffs submarines based on the performance of that absolute abysmal level of player. But then you see someone as Mr. Gibbins on stream helm a submarine properly and they can disrupt entire flanks alone and sunk 3-4 ships from complete health with near 0 retaliation possible.

 

But if your best argument is that that doesn't prove anything because the player that sucks sucks and we should keep pandering to them more so the game gets even more ruined go ahead. Kinda understandable seeing your own stats.

You say that you didn't understand my example with cruisers. I talked 2 times about that example and i don't believe that if i explain it even for the 3rd time then it changes your opinions. Therefore let's agree that it doesn't matter if someone didn't understand some examples. The arguments are very clear and there hasn't been anything against those.

 

You seem to say that most Sub players are harmless because people don't nkow how to play them. Well, that argument was repeated earlier and the outcome is that it proves that Subs are harmless today. As you see we jsut repeat al lthe defeated arguments by rephrasing them.

 

You seem to say that most Sub players have low historical Wot stats. First, that makes subs harmless and irrelevant your slogan that "subs are bad". Secondly, can you prove that those low stats players play only Subs and not other ship types? I believe those people play all ship types and Random battles show you that most players in most ship types play poorly, not only Sub players. Don't you agree? And if high rating players don't play Subs in your opinion then why Mr Gib plays and obviously many others- are they all stupid or something? Many highly educated people don't eat pork and are afraid to use word War too in some countries- does that prove that pork and some words are bad and Subs are bad?

 

You say that my best argument is that most Sub players are not very good and therefore people have no real reason to cry about subs. Well, it is one strong argument, but the strongest argument is in my opinion: why WG, me and thousands Sub players have never ever heard any reasonable arguments for Sub haters?

 

 

[JeanLouisII]

@Fastmotion

 

The problem i have with subs is that it is another biiig griefing class for the players that know how to play the game. And that sucks a lot.

 

Its like every person gets a nuclear bomb, but only 1% can make them work.

Does this make a nuclear bomb balanced?

 

And lol at mrgibbings highclass player🤣

 

https://m.twitch.tv/ivan_ivanovitch_ivanovski/home

 

Watch this guy play subs. Then u understand what subs can do and how op they are to single targets

[Shirakami_Kon]

11 minutes ago, Fastmotion said:

You seem to say that most Sub players are harmless because people don't nkow how to play them. Well, that argument was repeated earlier and the outcome is that it proves that Subs are harmless today. As you see we jsut repeat al lthe defeated arguments by rephrasing them.

So if I put a baby in a tank that can't even figure how to pull the trigger for the gun means that the whole tank is absolutely harmless since the one at the wheel doesn't even know how to use it? See how stupid your argument is? Subs are broken, the fact that the average player still doesn't figure out how to abuse them doesn't mean they're ok at all.

[Fastmotion]

3 minutes ago, Cammo1962 said:

1: My hole opinion is wrong ?? So there is no We and no All to have such a opinion ?? 2: Then i have to ask who the f... are you to tell me or others not to have such a opinion ?? 3: And i can actually say the same thing here. 4: Stick to the subject and dont fiddle anything else in pls 5: I have been up against subs i have dropped my depth charges right on top of them and i could not kill them i have seen videoss from other streames that have been chasing subs that was under warter and they could barly keep up with them and i even saw a video of a streamer dropping 16 depth charges at a sub right over him and he could still not kill the sub. The constant ping you cant do anything to is murder and to pursuit a sub is suicide you are constant perma spotted and will be focused fired at from the enemy team because you have no chance to go dark.

1. Yes. Your whole opinion is wrong because you try to make an illusion that something is true because majority believes it is true.

 

2. You ask who am i to have opinions. I answer that it does not matter who anybody is. Being a president or a cleaner does not make any opinions right. WG, me and thousands of Sub players don't have to be some special authorities from you ask " who the f... are you to tell me..". Arguments matter and peoples titles don't matter. 2+2 is 4 no matter who am i and Subs not bad because arguments prove that. I am jsut representing an enlightening opinion for the majority which is healthy in democracy. I don't ask you to agree with me becausei said that let everyone have their own opinions. But it often seems that majority forces their opinion to others. For example in some countries you get punished if you have a different opinion about a war in a country than majority has or if you eat pork then instead of letting you eat what you want they punish you. That happens if there are no democratical variance of opinions but 1 major dominant opinion. In Wows for example if you say an unpopular opinion then you get reported  very often and that violates Human Rights and makes later battles those reporters to suffer. That's why it is better to have different opinions and i added such opinions here. Me, Wg, and thousands of Subs players have different opinions than you and you shouldn't ask them "whoare you?". It doesn't matter who they are or who are you.

 

3. I don't undestand what you mean but it is fine if we don't understand some minor examples and thoughts. Important is to understand the mai narguments and the big picture.

 

4. You seem to say i am not in a submarines subject? I believe i am. But i agree that i have enlightened enough and if anyone wants to continue then come to my clan's forum and talk there. That is the only thing we both agree. I hope you don't think that your arguments are somehow more right than mine because i don't write under a right topic or with a proper grammar or etc.

 

5. Your rare example about Subs is an offtopic and probably a game bug. Just make a bug report but most of the times all water bombs work well and make Subs harmless.

 

6. You say that constant sonar ping is annoying but we already spoke that many ships types have annoying things and what is annoying to someone is not to others. And i nthe war it is normal that some cannon meat just dies and cannot counter anything.

[Fastmotion]

7 minutes ago, Shirakami_Kon said:

So if I put a baby in a tank that can't even figure how to pull the trigger for the gun means that the whole tank is absolutely harmless since the one at the wheel doesn't even know how to use it? See how stupid your argument is? Subs are broken, the fact that the average player still doesn't figure out how to abuse them doesn't mean they're ok at all.

You say that a baby in a tank makes the tank harmless. Yes, it makes it, that is the reality. We both agree with that. Why do you think that such argument is stupid. That argument talks about reality. And the reality is that tanks are harmless. Wil lthat reality change i nthe future after children grow up and become good tankers? well, in the future maybe yes, but until then the reality is that tanks are harmless. And, it is only your opinion that tanks have nowadays only babies inside. There are good players inside tanks too but most of the time their input is irrelevant because tanks are weak.

 

12 minutes ago, JeanLouisII said:

@Fastmotion

 

The problem i have with subs is that it is another biiig griefing class for the players that know how to play the game. And that sucks a lot.

 

Its like every person gets a nuclear bomb, but only 1% can make them work.

Does this make a nuclear bomb balanced?

 

And lol at mrgibbings highclass player🤣

 

https://m.twitch.tv/ivan_ivanovitch_ivanovski/home

 

Watch this guy play subs. Then u understand what subs can do and how oo they are to single targets

I don't watch live streams because i believe that there is no need for anything live  and in real time and old tutorial Youtube videos are more appropriate. This is my opinion about streams and you may have a different opinion. So, you don't need anything Live and those live streams have 99.8% of info that is not educational and useless. Make an interview with players who watched a live stream and ask them which knowledge they got. Their answer will be empty. They won't mention that in the stream the re was sugegsted to do so and so. No, in the stream talk about donuts and money and popular slogans. That's why i don't think that streams teach anything. If you think that people learn by just watching silently then again i doupt in that and the their reports afterwards woulkd still be empty. So, i don't think that anyone should watch any streams. But if you think differently then why not go and watch, i won't.

 

I think didn't understand your main idea about nuclear bombs. If Subs are like nuclear bombs then Subs should be in TOP 1 in all battle results. But the reality is that Subs are harmlessly in the lower bottom of the results and i doupot that they ever will dominate the TOP 3. When it happens then it will be the time to balance them little bit. But at the moment, no.

 

 

[Shirakami_Kon]

1 minute ago, Fastmotion said:

You say that a baby in a tank makes the tank harmless. Yes, it makes it, that is the reality. We both agree with that. Why do you think that such argument is stupid. That argument talks about reality. And the reality is that tanks are harmless. Wil lthat reality change i nthe future after children grow up and become good tankers? well, in the future maybe yes, but until then the reality is that tanks are harmless. And, it is only your opinion that tanks have nowadays only babies inside. There are good players inside tanks too but most of the time their input is irrelevant because tanks are weak.

I'd laugh at how dumb you can be, but it isn't funny anymore...

[Migantium_Mashum]

1 hour ago, Cammo1962 said:

So what you are saying is that we that dont like subs in the game are all wrong regarding what we say about them (boring/not fun and dont fit in). 

As usual the minority have the loudest 'GOBS' and everyone else, their experience, their opinions, count for nothing.

 

He skipped over the fact that countless of far more experienced streamers have also pointed out SUB SUCK GONADS.... 

 

WG will pander to people like him because that's the kind of player they want.

[Fastmotion]

16 minutes ago, Shirakami_Kon said:

I'd laugh at how dumb you can be, but it isn't funny anymore...

 

As i said before:

10 hours ago, Fastmotion said:

you say something sucks but can you define the terms "sucks", "cool", "fun" and so on? Why not to give clear arguments isntead of "it sucks" argument or instead of posting a funny picture?
 

I said before that if you call someone dumb or you laugh or you post a funny picture etc then that doesn't prove your arguments.

So, it is irrelevant if you call WG, me and thousands of sub players dumb or whatever. It does not make your right and the people with your mentality anyhow smarter.

If you provide clear arguments then that is the only valuable thing.

 

Why do you think that my tank example is wrong or something? I don't see anything wrong in that and in any of my arguments. I suggest that why don't you have your opinions and others have their own different opinions and we don't call others dumb and don't violate Human Rights?

 

6 minutes ago, Migantium_Mashum said:

As usual the minority have the loudest 'GOBS' and everyone else, their experience, their opinions, count for nothing.

 

He skipped over the fact that countless of far more experienced streamers have also pointed out SUB SUCK GONADS.... 

 

WG will pander to people like him because that's the kind of player they want.

Seems that you say that minorities are the loudest. I disagree. Do you see that most people loudly make a hate speach against subs or do you see that minority is loder when they sometimes add their point of view that subs are not bad? WHo is louder, the majority or minority? Obviously majority. The same goes for most topics in the world. For exmaple majority in some countries are against pork and the word "War"- do you hear there that minority is somehow louder and speaks loudly that pork is fine and the word War as well? No, you don't hear that minority is louder. So, we have proved that your belief about mjaority is wrong.

 

You say that popular streamers have said popular opinions. Well, a person cannot get fame and popularity if he speaks not popular things. Secondly, why it matters what popular people say? POpular peopel say that pork and the word War are bad and Subs are bad. Should you start to avoid pork and Subs now because popular people say so? No, you do things that has a reasonable explanation and arguments and you don't need to be like popular people are. For example, WG, me and thousands of Subs player every day don't feel any need to be popular and they don't follow popular believes that you follow.

[_Lupastro_]

12 ore fa, Fastmotion ha scritto:

I can share my honest opinions about submarines.

 

First of all i don't feel that i need to be special and different from others. But i also don't need to follow popular mainstrem opinions if i don't see any logics in there.

 

I believe in those facts:

 

1. In Random battles most results show that submariens are harmeless and are at the bottom of the TOP. That is what i practically see. Therefore for me it is very difficult to understand why people say that Subs are somehow dangerous. No, they are harmless and my own eyes have seen it plenty of times. Why should i follow other peoples opinions and not my own eyes?

 

2. Subs make the game better because now there are new tactical things to learn. I can give a long listing what new subs have introduced but people who follow mainstrem slogan "Subs are bad" caanot usally say anything about subs and anything about anything else. For example i can share from my long knowledgebase listing that now ships must learn which is the shortest distance where they can use they weapon again Subs. That distance determines you positioning and other aspects. Which Sub is best for subs duelling to each other? And so on and so on, they cannot tell anything. Why should i follow other peoples opinions who cannot give any arguments? Subs give new tactics and fun.

 

3. Subs are harmless because they don't have enough air and their torps are so weak. Most of the times i do the "kill the CV" misison with a Sub but at the end my oxygen also ends after i have kileld the CV. That shows how weak are Subs but how well balancing they are against CVs. Beside lack of air they have bad manuverability and are slow so you cannot move around much.

 

Subs make game better and are harmless. I have said it many times in the game chat but people abuse reporting button if they see that someone in the community has a different opinion and the result is that i get a chat banned and on the next battles they come to cry to me why i didn't answer to their tactical question. I answer that i couldn't answer to you in the chat because you pressed earlier a button that violates human Rights which says that everyone has the right to think, talk, drink water. Why do you need ask questions from me if you allow only opinions that you like? Here i shared with you simple clear arguments that prove that Subs are good. If your opinion is different then why not to give arguments or just accept that people are different with different opinions?

C'mon sorry to say this but seem that you understand nothing about subs spot mechanics and why they are toxic for the game.

The only harmless sub is the one handled by a total noob.

There are tons of videos and posts that show that subs are just game breaking.

[Cammo1962]

4 minutes ago, Fastmotion said:

1. Yes. Your whole opinion is wrong because you try to make an illusion that something is true because majority believes it is true.

 

2. You ask who am i to have opinions. I answer that it does not matter who anybody is. Being a president or a cleaner does not make any opinions right. WG, me and thousands of Sub players don't have to be some special authorities from you ask " who the f... are you to tell me..". Arguments matter and peoples titles don't matter. 2+2 is 4 no matter who am i and Subs not bad because arguments prove that. I am jsut representing an enlightening opinion for the majority which is healthy in democracy. I don't ask you to agree with me becausei said that let everyone have their own opinions. But it often seems that majority forces their opinion to others. For example in some countries you get punished if you have a different opinion about a war in a country than majority has or if you eat pork then instead of letting you eat what you want they punish you. That happens if there are no democratical variance of opinions but 1 major dominant opinion. In Wows for example if you say an unpopular opinion then you get reported  very often and that violates Human Rights and makes later battles those reporters to suffer. That's why it is better to have different opinions and i added such opinions here. Me, Wg, and thousands of Subs players have different opinions than you and you shouldn't ask them "whoare you?". It doesn't matter who they are or who are you.

 

3. I don't undestand what you mean but it is fine if we don't understand some minor examples and thoughts. Important is to understand the mai narguments and the big picture.

 

4. You seem to say i am not in a submarines subject? I believe i am. But i agree that i have enlightened enough and if anyone wants to continue then come to my clan's forum and talk there. That is the only thing we both agree. I hope you don't think that your arguments are somehow more right than mine because i don't write under a right topic or with a proper grammar or etc.

 

5. Your rare example about Subs is an offtopic and probably a game bug. Just make a bug report but most of the times all water bombs work well and make Subs harmless.

 

6. You say that constant sonar ping is annoying but we already spoke that many ships types have annoying things and what is annoying to someone is not to others. And i nthe war it is normal that some cannon meat just dies and cannot counter anything.

1: At  that point so do disagree. And one thing more i dont try to make a illusion i see things in black and white i dont purple i am a very objective person.

2: I did not ask you that so dont put words in my mouth pls. And that YOU come and try to lectior is a big no no that will just create a even bigger fire try and understand that pls.

3: Many of the players have been shooting holes in WGs point they have made and we still try to say to them that because they are so hellbend to put a square into a round hole it does not fit that way. And we have tried to say what is needed to be done and very little happens.

4: No what i am saying stick to the subject dont drag the hole world issues in to this thread.

5: Is it ?? I dont think so i do put up exsamples of whats wrong with subs and not whats wrong in the world.

6: This one i will leave unanswered i cant stop laughing.

[Migantium_Mashum]

5 minutes ago, Fastmotion said:

 

As i said before:

I said before that if you call someone dumb or you laugh or you post a funny picture etc then that doesn't prove your arguments.

So, it is irrelevant if you call WG, me and thousands of sub players dumb or whatever. It does not make your right and the people with your mentality anyhow smarter.

If you provide clear arguments then that is the only valuable thing.

 

Why do you think that my tank example is wrong or something? I don't see anything wrong in that and in any of my arguments. I suggest that why don't you have your opinions and others have their own different opinions and we don't call others dumb and don't violate Human Rights?

You've really got a superiority complex haven't you.

 

You have few games played at best, your WR is in the toilet and you know better than others who have three, four or five times your experience in game.. Many of whom are successful streamers, contributors...

 

No, your opinion is incorrect, it is proven incorrect by many more experienced players than yourself and your higher than God attitude with other peoples opinions indicates that you have yet to finish Puberty.

 

Do you have many friends in the real world I wonder.

[Shirakami_Kon]

This is just a loss of brain cells at this point. Someone just lock the thread already.

[Cammo1962]

11 minutes ago, Migantium_Mashum said:

As usual the minority have the loudest 'GOBS' and everyone else, their experience, their opinions, count for nothing.

 

He skipped over the fact that countless of far more experienced streamers have also pointed out SUB SUCK GONADS.... 

 

WG will pander to people like him because that's the kind of player they want.

They will properly make him a CC @Migantium_Mashum  

 

[Migantium_Mashum]

Just now, Shirakami_Kon said:

This is just a loss of brain cells at this point. Someone just lock the thread already.

It's a self opinionated little Troll who at best has yet to finish Puberty.