Remove Submarines

[Fastmotion]

36 minutes ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

But what if I'm not very good with steps and stumble. Won't I fall flat on my face?

You wont ever pass the 1st step if you are weak in something.

If you ask where are the risks. Then the answer is that risks occur between steps. If one's level is between zero 0 and 1 then like a pendulum one falls to level 0 after every other day and then back to the 1 and such drastic change of reality usually hurts. It is like you mis-step and fall. Also in budhism for example specially middle steps are like never ending agony. In argumentation you get burned while you practice and mainly on the lower levels still. But that is not a big fall, just a loss in a debate. If your mentality is not strong then of cause you may get depression and leave the game like one preceding person looked like before here.

 

The fear fades once you pass some first steps. Some steps show you what are illusions and delusions and once you understand that those nonreal illusions are not real then you don't have fear anymore on them.

 

In the computer games people are very egoic and suffer and attached to the game, their identity/self is the stats board and they see even at dreams at nights their helicopters and feel hate about subs. I would say that they are not on the level zero yet but on the level minus 2.

 

[Tanaka_15]

1 hour ago, Fastmotion said:

I believe your rare example is a so called statistical noise and should be removed from the discussion. He probably has high stats in all ships but such players are very few and they do the same in most ship types. Therefore i don't see that your example is considerable.

It does not follow my idea lest remove it from the evidence :D Agian gibbins is superunicum but he is still way better in subs than in other classes he shows you how subs are broken.. 

[SV_Kompresor]

1 minute ago, Tanaka_15 said:

It does not follow my idea lest remove it from the evidence :D Agian gibbins is superunicum but he is still way better in subs than in other classes he shows you how subs are broken.. 

There is no way in hell that man is a superunicum

[Nibenay78]

2 minutes ago, Tanaka_15 said:

It does not follow my idea lest remove it from the evidence :D 

Bit low on science, bit high on something else..

[Tanaka_15]

1 minute ago, SV_Kompresor said:

There is no way in hell that man is a superunicum

ok my bad. true im unsure what his colore is but still if he is not superunicium this makes my argument stronger not that the enligment man will undrustand but still ;)

[Fastmotion]

5 minutes ago, Tanaka_15 said:

ok my bad. true im unsure what his colore is but still if he is not superunicium this makes my argument stronger not that the enligment man will undrustand but still ;)

yes, i don't understand but at first glance i dont think i would agree with your opinion. Mainly becaue 1 rare Unicum doesn't impact thousands of battles.

 

I suggest to continue the experiemnt and lets post 5 battles in a row and look how harmful the subs are there. I can do it later myself as well.

 

[Tanaka_15]

1 minute ago, Fastmotion said:

yes, i don't understand but at first glance i dont think i would agree with your opinion.

 

I suggest to continue the experiemnt and lets post 5 battles in a row and look how harmful the subs are there. I can do it later myself as well.

 

hmm Gibbisn has 26k battle with WR abot 57% and in subs he has 834 games with WR 63%, this is more than 6% of difference. On one guy who is not even that amazing in this game. If  you dont see the problem here you really need to get much better in this game to start grasping how things work to undrustand what is broken and what not. 

[Fastmotion]

4 minutes ago, Tanaka_15 said:

hmm Gibbisn has 26k battle with WR abot 57% and in subs he has 834 games with WR 63%, this is more than 6% of difference. On one guy who is not even that amazing in this game. If  you dont see the problem here you really need to get much better in this game to start grasping how things work to undrustand what is broken and what not. 

Recently added subs had in the history more capabilities and were more OP. For example torpedo range was longer. That makes the overall historical stats bigger for him compared to his cruisers' stats because Subs had too much OP those days. I don't see a problem here because i said that his example is a rarity and a so called statistical noice. We talked earlier with others that if in the future the Sub player skillset rises then yes we all agreed that then we there maybe will be a time to think about nerfing someting. If i posted to you today later 5 consecuent battles then you wouldn't see that Bibb and wouldn't see subs in TOP 3 at the results.

[Sunleader]

6 minutes ago, Tanaka_15 said:

hmm Gibbisn has 26k battle with WR abot 57% and in subs he has 834 games with WR 63%, this is more than 6% of difference. On one guy who is not even that amazing in this game. If  you dont see the problem here you really need to get much better in this game to start grasping how things work to undrustand what is broken and what not. 

What site are you using to check stats ?

[Tanaka_15]

Just now, Sunleader said:

What site are you using to check stats ?

https://worldofwarships.eu/pl/community/accounts/503893098-Mr_Gibbins/!/pvp/ships/?bestShip=tirpitz

 

But im working ad doing other stuff so im unsure i coud do something wrong 

[Tanaka_15]

3 minutes ago, Fastmotion said:

Recently added subs had in the history more capabilities and were more OP. For example torpedo range was longer. That makes the overall historical stats bigger for him compared to his cruisers' stats because Subs had too much OP those days. I don't see a problem here because i said that his example is a rarity and a so called statistical noice. We talked earlier with others that if in the future the Sub player skillset rises then yes we all agreed that then we there maybe will be a time to think about nerfing someting. If i posted to you today later 5 consecuent battles then you wouldn't see that Bibb and wouldn't see subs in TOP 3 at the results.

hahahaha yeah :D ok . So 900 games are statstical noice, but 5 games on screen is proof? :D 

[Stiglet3]

26 minutes ago, Fastmotion said:

blah blah blah

I don't think we're communicating as effectively as you think we are.

[Fastmotion]

Just now, Tanaka_15 said:

hahahaha yeah :D ok . So 900 games are statstical noice, but 5 games on screen is proof? :D 

it is too much time consuming to post 40 battles.

The reality that my eyes see that during 40 battles subs are harmless and place at the bottom in the results. 5 battles can demonstrate that well enough, i can't post 40 because it is too time consuming.

[Tanaka_15]

Just now, Fastmotion said:

it is too much time consuming to post 40 battles.

The reality that my eyes see that during 40 battles subs are harmless and place at the bottom in the results. 5 battles can demonstrate that well enough, i can't post 40 because it is too time consuming.

a)

XP does not matter that much you can have great dd game with 0 dmg and 300 xp

b)

40 games is no much. You can have loosing/winning streak for 20 games + and this is just rng. 

 

The buttom line is i can show you taht you are wrong using profile of just one streamer and not that amazing one. you just dont see it cos you dont undrustand what you see cos you dont undrustand the game you are playing. 

 

 

 

 

[ghostbuster_]

3 minutes ago, Tanaka_15 said:

 

40 games is no much. You can have loosing/winning streak for 20 games + and this is just rng. 

 

 

 

Imo if you have 20 games losing streak, its not rng anymore

[Fastmotion]

10 minutes ago, Tanaka_15 said:

a)

XP does not matter that much you can have great dd game with 0 dmg and 300 xp

b)

40 games is no much. You can have loosing/winning streak for 20 games + and this is just rng. 

 

The buttom line is i can show you taht you are wrong using profile of just one streamer and not that amazing one. you just dont see it cos you dont undrustand what you see cos you dont undrustand the game you are playing.

 

a) i suggested that we can look the results and if we doupt we watch the replay. You can wantch the video and say in which moments the sub did something that the XP don't count. Most of the times the XP would be enough to evaluate the harmlessness levels.

b) i believe that 40 is enough and even 5 is fine. We already earlier went through such dialogue. There is no need to make 40 million examples to prove that snow occurs in Europe maximum 2 months. You montitor 3-5 years and see that the answer is 2 months and no need for 40 million years to monitor. The same is with Subs. You see the picture already with one day and then you realize that already 5 battles represents the same that you saw the whole day.

 

I don't understand what do you mean that someone doesn't understand the game? If one can play a battle in the Golden league and in the Coop then that proves that he can aim and swim and understand the entertainment game.

[Tanaka_15]

4 minutes ago, Fastmotion said:

a) i suggested that we can look the results and if we doupt we watch the replay. You can wantch the video and say in which moments the sub did something that the XP don't count. Most of the times the XP would be enough to evaluate the harmlessness levels.

b) i believe that 40 is enough and even 5 is fine. We already earlier went through such dialogue. There is no need to make 40 million examples to prove that snow occurs in Europe maximum 2 months. You montitor 3-5 years and see that the answer is 2 months and no need for 40 million years to monitor. The same is with Subs. You see the picture already with one day and then you realize that already 5 battles represents the same that you saw the whole day.

 

I don't understand what do you mean that someone doesn't understand the game? If one can play a battle in the Golden league and in the Coop then that proves that he can aim and swim and understand the entertainment game.

ok im bored. Again you are wrong. 

[Sunleader]

1 minute ago, ghostbuster_ said:

Imo if you have 20 games losing streak, its not rng anymore

 

20 lost games in a row is pretty rare.

Thats not even possible to do by playing badly actually.

But whats more importand.

 

 

He talks about rng.

And he is right you can play 50 games one evening and have 20% winrate and the next evening play 50 games with 80% winrate by pure luck without there being any difference in your skill.

 

 

People forget this.

But this is a PvP game.

You are 1 out of 24 players.

 

If you are especially Skilled you increase your chances to win.

If you are especially Potato you reduce them.

 

But Match outcome is still decided mostly by how lucky you are with enemies and teammates.

 

Even Super Unicum Players dont have 100% Winrate and many dont even reach 80% unless they always Play Div with other Unicums.

 

 

In a Small Sample Size like 20 Battles even a Super Unicum can end up with a Horrible Streak and even a Potato can end up with incredible Stats.

[biker_618]

So you are still feeding troll whos account looks like bot driven judging by pr and dmg?

[Fastmotion]

10 minutes ago, Tanaka_15 said:

ok im bored. Again you are wrong. 

you feel anxiety/suffering.

The mind/ego is never satisfied and is in the search of something better. Once you finish that entertainment game you find something else and that makes you stress as well and you stil lsuffer until the end of the illusional person in this life. That's why you are bored and stressed. Once you understand that you are in a dream right now and all that here is not real then your stress goes away just like a nightmare dream at night is forgotten and never taken seriously.

 

Obviously steps 1-5 are too difficult for you in this moment but the practical suggestion for you is what i suggested that try to do argumentations. Those will remove some illusions and lower the suffering. For example me, WG and Sub players don't suffer but you obviously do suffer about Subs. Go and argu with people about the plusses and minuses of Subs and there is a chance that your avatar/person will suddenly understand that Subs are not a problem.

[Terence321]

Vor 1 Minute, Fastmotion sagte:

you feel anxiety/suffering.

The mind/ego is never satisfied and is in the search of something better. Once you finish that entertainment game you find something else and that makes you stress as well and you stil lsuffer until the end of the illusional person in this life. That's why you are bored and stressed. Once you understand that you are in a dream right now and all that here is not real then your stress goes away just like a nightmare dream at night is forgotten and never taken seriously.

 

Obviously steps 1-5 are to difficult for you but the practical suggestion for you is what i suggested that try to do argumentations. Those will remove some illusions and lower the suffering. For example me, WG and Sub players don't suffer but you obviously do suffer about Subs. Go and argu with people about the plusses and minuses of Subs and there is a chance that your avatar/person will suddenly understand that Subs are not a problem.

@Tanaka_15 Now you have been enlightened as well, I envy you.

[ghostbuster_]

8 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

 

20 lost games in a row is pretty rare.

Thats not even possible to do by playing badly actually.

But whats more importand.

 

 

He talks about rng.

And he is right you can play 50 games one evening and have 20% winrate and the next evening play 50 games with 80% winrate by pure luck without there being any difference in your skill.

 

 

People forget this.

But this is a PvP game.

You are 1 out of 24 players.

 

If you are especially Skilled you increase your chances to win.

If you are especially Potato you reduce them.

 

But Match outcome is still decided mostly by how lucky you are with enemies and teammates.

 

Even Super Unicum Players dont have 100% Winrate and many dont even reach 80% unless they always Play Div with other Unicums.

 

 

In a Small Sample Size like 20 Battles even a Super Unicum can end up with a Horrible Streak and even a Potato can end up with incredible Stats.

I generally agree but losing 20 battles in row? Imo it would mean (at least to me) that I have been doing something wrong in these 20 battles. Saying its rng is kinda smilar to saying "its all luck no skill"

[ghostbuster_]

Lets check who is enlightened by his holiness in this thread. Enlightened ones, can you drop some "boring" emojis to this post? I would start but Im not sure if I can give reactions to my own posts.

 

Obviously I cant. So, here we go. 

[Fastmotion]

for me it loosing 4 or more battles in a row happens very rarely andi call it a statistical noise.

 

I suggest you all look at you last 5 battles and if some of them had subs in the MM then copy 5 pictures of the results here.

[Stiglet3]

1 minute ago, Fastmotion said:

I suggest you all look at you last 5 battles and if some of them had subs in the MM then copy 5 pictures of the results here.

Still completely missing the point.