SCHLIEFFEN SHAME

[GuydeLusignan]

4 hours ago, Telenti_Ayanbanda said:

I just played again against a Russian TIER X cruiser.
There are two that my Schlieffen continually loses in duels with, either close (they do a lot of citadels to me), or far away (each bullet is incredible damage). The Staligrad, and the Petropavlovsk.

The thing is, I thought that a Battleship could never lose just 2-3 minutes against a cruiser. It is in my opinion the world upside down.

in a 1 vs 1 situation...

Petro an Stalin will lose the fight with a  50% chance, if u can use all ur weapons. The Schlieffen, is a ship for fast attacks, Hit and run. Like a cruiser, not like a fat battleship.

And it is very, very difficult, to hit the Schlieffen cita......

 

 

[Miragetank90]

Schlieffen is nuts.

 

Ameliorate thyself and your problems get solved. 

[Vbeest]

6 hours ago, Telenti_Ayanbanda said:

 

What I claim is to be able to choose below my supposed super AP-cannons, and to be able to put the supposedly inferior ones of a cruiser.

I think it would show that the supposed Schlieffen super power is not so great, in this case speaking of the Schlieffen AP-cannons!!!.

 

 

Dude, can't you just use HE in your Schlieffen? Then you should see some damage inflicted at least... 

[Psychological_Warfare]

10 hours ago, Telenti_Ayanbanda said:

I just played again against a Russian TIER X cruiser.
There are two that my Schlieffen continually loses in duels with, either close (they do a lot of citadels to me), or far away (each bullet is incredible damage). The Staligrad, and the Petropavlovsk.

The thing is, I thought that a Battleship could never lose just 2-3 minutes against a cruiser. It is in my opinion the world upside down.
Well, as I consider it a shame, I claim in this forum, that WOWS allow me to mount the guns of these cruisers on my Schlieffen, I also settle for any other cruiser, but with these that have guns that do more damage than those of my Schlieffen ( due to its low rate of fire+dispersion+bad ballistics,+...), well I guess WOWS programmers won't have any problems, because in my Schlieffen these guns fit perfectly on the deck.

Please deign to contact me so I can make this configuration.

On the other hand, I take the opportunity to denounce that on average any normal BB (any) does an average of 3,000 dmg per AP on my ship, and my damage is an average of 1,000 dmg. of madia. Another embarrassment not justified by the Schlieffen's secondaries or torpedoes. It doesn't compensate.

Please someone explain to me the inconsistency of my butter AP.

 

Regards

A lot of people already told you that you are obviously doing something wrong in the Schlieffen. It gets even more obvious with you claiming that its secondaries and torps (both really really strong/useful) are not compensating its not so strong main guns. Also, you get germany hydro, which is insanely good for the Schlieffen playstyle.

Getting citadels by cruisers in the Schlieffen regularly means that you show way too much broadside close to them.

Also, if you duel a ship that is  visible to you when you are at standard spotting range (so enemy not unspotted in smoke or behind an island, etc.) it SHOULD mean that you are in secondary range in 99% of the time, since the secondary  build (which is ridiculously fun btw) lets you have (almost) the same secondary range as your spotting range.

Petro/Stalin duel? As soon as the ship sees you at your standard spotting range, your secondaries rain hellfire on them. You can even stealth approach the Stalin since you vastly outspot it, so you can even plan the angle of your attack without the stalin having a chance to spot you until you are in range to melt it. Will you loose quite some HP? Probably yes. Will they kill you? Not if you angle and move properly, including having the CORRECT captain build.

 

The Schlieffen is not great at sniping or taking on a lot of enemies at the same time, it lacks the sturdiness and the HP pool to survive a lot of focus fire. But it has awesome concealment, long range torps (you get the most hilarious kills on unaware enemy ships, even dd's with those bad boys), secondaries and "useable" main guns. Its more of a battlecruiser then a full chonk battleship. 

Choose the battle(field) yourself, don't let the enemy dictate it. This ship is great at doing fast and agressive pushes against weak enemy numbered flanks or kiting 1-2 enemy ships that try to catch up to you. What you should NEVER do is push into the main enemy fleet. Facing more then 2 enemy ships that focus you can get dangerous very fast.

[Andrewbassg]

11 hours ago, Telenti_Ayanbanda said:

I just played again against a Russian TIER X cruiser.

Op.....you are talking about a ship which was designed to do that.

 

 

 

 

Those are 2 battleships. And......this is actually nothing special. Tho it was nice.

[lup3s]

16 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

That is not how the game works.

You cannot have a Kremlin with Conqueror heal, Gouden Leeuw AA and Air Strike, Shima torps and Yamato guns with reload booster and Zao accuracy.

 

T11 Kreml ? 

[BrusilovX]

10 hours ago, Vbeest said:

Dude, can't you just use HE in your Schlieffen? Then you should see some damage inflicted at least... 

I think that's too hard for some of the player base to understand to be honest.

 

If I can't be bothered to swap to HE I'll just fire into the superstructure to see what happens there.

[SolanumTuberosumRex]

16 hours ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

So... Schlieffen is supposed to be played like a cruiser killer and not for trying to dictate the outcome of the battle?

Are you asking me?

I don't know where you get that from. But as always, some ships have more impact on a battle than others. I honestly don't know if that's true for Schlieffen.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

1 hour ago, PsychoClownfish said:

Are you asking me?

I don't know where you get that from. But as always, some ships have more impact on a battle than others. I honestly don't know if that's true for Schlieffen.

 

I'm just thinking aloud, I mean we know that BB's as a class are generally supposed to 'tank' soaking damage for the team with the ability to hold and push. Cruisers can't exactly do the same thing, so where does the Schlieffen 'slip in' in relation to the tanky BB's or the... sneaky cruisers?

 

That's something that I feel at a loss often in the battles, just exactly what would be the best way to make use of my ship. Generally speaking, I have a better idea when it comes to the BB's and DD's (though my ideas don't always work out...), but with the cruisers in particular I feel much more at a loss. At least in randoms, much less so in coop or the operations.

[SolanumTuberosumRex]

2 hours ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

I'm just thinking aloud, I mean we know that BB's as a class are generally supposed to 'tank' soaking damage for the team with the ability to hold and push. Cruisers can't exactly do the same thing, so where does the Schlieffen 'slip in' in relation to the tanky BB's or the... sneaky cruisers?

 

That's something that I feel at a loss often in the battles, just exactly what would be the best way to make use of my ship. Generally speaking, I have a better idea when it comes to the BB's and DD's (though my ideas don't always work out...), but with the cruisers in particular I feel much more at a loss. At least in randoms, much less so in coop or the operations.

There are several BB's that are not tanky. Some mitigate by a superheal, others by their improved ability to fight at range, others still by their stealth and 'ambush ability' (Incomparable and Schlieffen fit in that I think). I guess you'd have to find that niche.

[VenividiviciNL]

13 hours ago, Psychological_Warfare said:

Also, if you duel a ship that is  visible to you when you are at standard spotting range (so enemy not unspotted in smoke or behind an island, etc.) it SHOULD mean that you are in secondary range in 99% of the time, since the secondary  build (which is ridiculously fun btw) lets you have (almost) the same secondary range as your spotting range.

Petro/Stalin duel? As soon as the ship sees you at your standard spotting range, your secondaries rain hellfire on them. You can even stealth approach the Stalin since you vastly outspot it, so you can even plan the angle of your attack without the stalin having a chance to spot you until you are in range to melt it. Will you loose quite some HP? Probably yes. Will they kill you? Not if you angle and move properly, including having the CORRECT captain build.

Hi mate,

 

I agree what you are saying, but maybe our OP does not have Lütjens as captain and/or does not have his captain specialised in secondary build (with max cap points) to get the outcome as described by you.

 

Don't forget, he has played about 180 games in BB's so far....

 

To me it looks he is lacking the captain experience/skills to make better use of the said schip.

 

Have fun and enjoy your day!

[SolanumTuberosumRex]

19 hours ago, VenividiviciNL said:

Hi mate,

 

I agree what you are saying, but maybe our OP does not have Lütjens as captain and/or does not have his captain specialised in secondary build (with max cap points) to get the outcome as described by you.

 

Don't forget, he has played about 180 games in BB's so far....

 

To me it looks he is lacking the captain experience/skills to make better use of the said schip.

 

Have fun and enjoy your day!

Yeah, it looks that way to most of us, but OP insists the ship is bad and the Russian cruisers are OP. 

Lutjens is not required but he makes a big difference. And not playing Schlieffen as full secondary makes no sense, but a beginner wouldn't know that. None of that is a problem. What IS a problem is if you're a total noob and then refuse to accept advice from people who have 20k+ games under their belt...