SCHLIEFFEN SHAME

[Telenti_Ayanbanda]

I just played again against a Russian TIER X cruiser.
There are two that my Schlieffen continually loses in duels with, either close (they do a lot of citadels to me), or far away (each bullet is incredible damage). The Staligrad, and the Petropavlovsk.

The thing is, I thought that a Battleship could never lose just 2-3 minutes against a cruiser. It is in my opinion the world upside down.
Well, as I consider it a shame, I claim in this forum, that WOWS allow me to mount the guns of these cruisers on my Schlieffen, I also settle for any other cruiser, but with these that have guns that do more damage than those of my Schlieffen ( due to its low rate of fire+dispersion+bad ballistics,+...), well I guess WOWS programmers won't have any problems, because in my Schlieffen these guns fit perfectly on the deck.

Please deign to contact me so I can make this configuration.

On the other hand, I take the opportunity to denounce that on average any normal BB (any) does an average of 3,000 dmg per AP on my ship, and my damage is an average of 1,000 dmg. of madia. Another embarrassment not justified by the Schlieffen's secondaries or torpedoes. It doesn't compensate.

Please someone explain to me the inconsistency of my butter AP.

 

Regards

[ColonelPete]

You are aware Schlieffen has more weapons than her main guns?

 

And yes, Petro does significantly less damage than a Schlieffen. Stalingrad is a Steel ship and therefore hard to compare.

 

According to some forumites, you need to rush the enemies and your bot gunners do the work for you. Should be an easy win...

[Chaoskraehe]

Did you show broadside? 

 

Also try to aim for their turrets, Schlieffen guns should could knock them out then and there (but they can also knock out your turrets lol). 

 

If you angle you should win against them as they can mosty damage your super structure and Turrets. Your torps can force them to move and show you their broadside or suffer massive damage. 

[MentalHealthGoesYeet]

9 minutes ago, Telenti_Ayanbanda said:

 

I guess this is some sort of joke?

[Panocek]

Oh no, cruisers designed to basically counter battleships is making holes in me boat when playing reckless

 

More shocking news at 7pm

[Humorpalanta]

40 minutes ago, Panocek said:

Oh no, cruisers designed to basically counter battleships is making holes in me boat when playing reckless

 

More shocking news at 7pm

Is this the Vought News Network? :)

[SolanumTuberosumRex]

39 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

You are aware Schlieffen has more weapons than her main guns?

 

And yes, Petro does significantly less damage than a Schlieffen. Stalingrad is a Steel ship and therefore hard to compare.

 

According to some forumites, you need to rush the enemies and your bot gunners do the work for you. Should be an easy win...

These cruisers can't hurt your ship at all if you angle. They do both have improved penetration angles, so angle sharply. If you close to within 12km's - assuming a full sec build including IFHE - you will melt these cruisers without even firing your main guns (Lutjens recommended). If it takes too long, you can torp them. If you get bored, use your 420mm main guns.

In short, if you are getting killed by these - admittedly very powerful - cruisers in Schlieffen, you are doing it wrong.

[Panocek]

1 minute ago, PsychoClownfish said:

These cruisers can't hurt your ship at all if you angle. They do both have improved penetration angles, so angle sharply. If you close to within 12km's - assuming a full sec build including IFHE - you will melt these cruisers without even firing your main guns (Lutjens recommended). If it takes too long, you can torp them. If you get bored, use your 420mm main guns.

In short, if you are getting killed by these - admittedly very powerful - cruisers in Schlieffen, you are doing it wrong.

And such approach is at odds with "I've paid for whole ship thus I will use whole ship, rear guns included"

[SolanumTuberosumRex]

3 minutes ago, Panocek said:

And such approach is at odds with "I've paid for whole ship thus I will use whole ship, rear guns included"

You got me there. 😂👍

[Telenti_Ayanbanda]

1 hora antes, need_aimbot_to_aim dijo:

I guess this is some sort of joke?

Joke!!!¿?.

What Joke?

 

I'm sure that a Schlieffen with main guns (and their rate of fire, and their dispersion, and their damage, etc...), from just my Hindenburg, or better with the same that Stalingrad, I could do much more damage than with the guns current. I would like to test this hypothesis.

 

I think there is a basic problem that WoWs has, and it will be revealed with this update.

 

We would have BB's with the resistance and life of a BB. but with the ability to kill DD's much more easily and of course duels with other cruisers and too BB's.

I am about to try this configuration, in fact it is only giving the possibility of changing caliber by rate of fire fundamentally and in the middle there will be a point of maximum effectiveness depending on the battle situations.

I'd like to try it.

 

Regards

[ColonelPete]

1 minute ago, Telenti_Ayanbanda said:

Joke!!!¿?.

What Joke?

 

I'm sure that a Schlieffen with main guns (and their rate of fire, and their dispersion, and their damage, etc...), from just my Hindenburg, or better with the same that Stalingrad, I could do much more damage than with the guns current. I would like to test this hypothesis.

 

I think there is a basic problem that WoWs has, and it will be revealed with this update.

 

We would have BB's with the resistance and life of a BB. but with the ability to kill DD's much more easily and of course duels with other cruisers and too BB's.

I am about to try this configuration, in fact it is only giving the possibility of changing caliber by rate of fire fundamentally and in the middle there will be a point of maximum effectiveness depending on the battle situations.

I'd like to try it.

 

Regards

That is not how the game works.

You cannot have a Kremlin with Conqueror heal, Gouden Leeuw AA and Air Strike, Shima torps and Yamato guns with reload booster and Zao accuracy.

[Telenti_Ayanbanda]

10 minutos antes, ColonelPete dijo:

That is not how the game works.

You cannot have a Kremlin with Conqueror heal, Gouden Leeuw AA and Air Strike, Shima torps and Yamato guns with reload booster and Zao accuracy.

I agree that one should not be able to choose the best main guns with the best secondaries, etc,,,,

What I claim is to be able to choose below my supposed super AP-cannons, and to be able to put the supposedly inferior ones of a cruiser. According to WOWS standards it shouldn't be a problem, unless there is something hidden, and not obvious.

I think it would show that the supposed Schlieffen super power is not so great, in this case speaking of the Schlieffen AP-cannons!!!.

If WOWS allows me to try this configuration I promise to share my experiences.

.

Regards

[PeteEarthling]

You have only 178 games in BBs and complain about failing in a T10 BB.

 

[Panocek]

16 minutes ago, Telenti_Ayanbanda said:

I agree that one should not be able to choose the best main guns with the best secondaries, etc,,,,

What I claim is to be able to choose below my supposed super AP-cannons, and to be able to put the supposedly inferior ones of a cruiser. According to WOWS standards it shouldn't be a problem, unless there is something hidden, and not obvious.

I think it would show that the supposed Schlieffen super power is not so great, in this case speaking of the Schlieffen AP-cannons!!!.

If WOWS allows me to try this configuration I promise to share my experiences.

.

Regards

Except Schlieffen have one of THE worst guns ever put on a T10 BB, with small numbers of them to boot to compensate for ship speed, higher than quite a few cruisers, concealment on par if not better than number of cruisers, absolutely violent secondaries when you can't be arsed aiming guns yourself AND nasty torpedo payload.

 

Second, 50mm plating present on Russian supercruisers exist precisely to ricochet any and all feasible battleship guns, in return, they are more than vulnerable when caught broadside.

[Telenti_Ayanbanda]

Right now it's my only BB (Schlieffen)

I speak about my little experience

 

When i have a Kremlin, maybe i´ll never play whith Schlieffen, or maybe i´ll play better, or.....

 

This is my current request to the WOWS team

 

 

[ColonelPete]

27 minutes ago, Telenti_Ayanbanda said:

I agree that one should not be able to choose the best main guns with the best secondaries, etc,,,,

What I claim is to be able to choose below my supposed super AP-cannons, and to be able to put the supposedly inferior ones of a cruiser. According to WOWS standards it shouldn't be a problem, unless there is something hidden, and not obvious.

I think it would show that the supposed Schlieffen super power is not so great, in this case speaking of the Schlieffen AP-cannons!!!.

If WOWS allows me to try this configuration I promise to share my experiences.

.

Regards

Are you playing the game since yesterday?

Guns of smaller size often compensate that lack of size with their DPM. That comes at the prize of penetration power.

And no, according to WoWs standards, you cannot just exchange your guns.

 

And yes, Schlieffen is not a Yamato, Shikishima or Incomparable. Should have been obvious.

[SolanumTuberosumRex]

34 minutes ago, Telenti_Ayanbanda said:

I agree that one should not be able to choose the best main guns with the best secondaries, etc,,,,

What I claim is to be able to choose below my supposed super AP-cannons, and to be able to put the supposedly inferior ones of a cruiser. According to WOWS standards it shouldn't be a problem, unless there is something hidden, and not obvious.

I think it would show that the supposed Schlieffen super power is not so great, in this case speaking of the Schlieffen AP-cannons!!!.

If WOWS allows me to try this configuration I promise to share my experiences.

.

Regards

Dude, this is not a slight against you or to ridicule you. But you just don't know what you're doing. Yeah, all Russian T10 cruisers have insane guns. But they cannot overmatch any BB armor. You do know what overmatch is? If you angle right, they CANNOT damage you, at least not significantly. The reverse is NOT true, YOU can absolutely damage THEM.

[SolanumTuberosumRex]

25 minutes ago, Panocek said:

Except Schlieffen have one of THE worst guns ever put on a T10 BB, with small numbers of them to boot to compensate for ship speed, higher than quite a few cruisers, concealment on par if not better than number of cruisers, absolutely violent secondaries when you can't be arsed aiming guns yourself AND nasty torpedo payload.

 

Second, 50mm plating present on Russian supercruisers exist precisely to ricochet any and all feasible battleship guns, in return, they are more than vulnerable when caught broadside.

Schlieffen's AP output and pen are pretty sad for T10. It's still more than enough to kill any cruiser, and like you said, they are that bad because she's so strong in so many other ways. In Schlieffen you can close on those cruisers and melt them/burn them/torp them with no risk to self. 

And that's how it should be. In a one on one, the BB should win against a cruiser, especially a cruiser without torps.

[COPlUM]

You played 175 games in battleships, 150 of those was tier 2-3-4-5. The person who beat you up using petro could have beat you up in anything, literally anything, if he was in a hipper he would have beat you up too. You shouldn't be in a T10. This is not directed at you specifically, many made this mistake, I made it, don't play high tier before you crush people at low and mid tier. Go back to T5 until you do exceptionally well in T5, then play T6 until you do exceptionally well in T6, it's the only way to git gud.

[RenamedUser_92906789]

20 minutes ago, Telenti_Ayanbanda said:

This is my current request to the WOWS team

 

[Panocek]

17 minutes ago, PsychoClownfish said:

And that's how it should be. In a one on one, the BB should win against a cruiser, especially a cruiser without torps.

And then you have cruiser specifically designed to be battleship-sized can opener.

 

WG blurring lines between classes doesn't help, but you can introduce only so many "normal" cruisers/BBs/DDs before they get repetitive

[Verblonde]

[Karasu_Browarszky]

39 minutes ago, PsychoClownfish said:

Schlieffen's AP output and pen are pretty sad for T10. It's still more than enough to kill any cruiser, and like you said, they are that bad because she's so strong in so many other ways. In Schlieffen you can close on those cruisers and melt them/burn them/torp them with no risk to self. 

And that's how it should be. In a one on one, the BB should win against a cruiser, especially a cruiser without torps.

 

So... Schlieffen is supposed to be played like a cruiser killer and not for trying to dictate the outcome of the battle?

[COPlUM]

41 minutes ago, PsychoClownfish said:

That's how it should be. In a one on one, the BB should win against a cruiser, especially a cruiser without torps.

Yes, and schlieffen played even somewhat competently dumpsters a petro or any other cruiser in a clean 1v1. The underlined part however was clearly missing in this "happening"
He was flat broadside to petro and shooting its belt, u know, the only way to lose that fight.

[BrusilovX]

4 hours ago, Telenti_Ayanbanda said:

I just played again against a Russian TIER X cruiser.

Please post a replay of such a battle and someone may be able to make suggestions to improve your gameplay.