IJN Light cruiser line in roadmap

[Pikkozoikum]

3 minutes ago, Shirakami_Kon said:

The ways out I see is that Mogami gets moved to the light cruiser line as the ship with 155s there and she gets a sister ship as pure CA in the heavy cruiser line replacing her, or honestly, what I consider it's the best outcome, a sister ship replaces her, the light cruiser line gets a third sister ship with 155s, and Mogami owners keep her as a premium version with her current choice at will by the player on her guns.

I don't think, they will do much with the Mogami. because the Mogami has the heavy cruiser gameplay, even with 155mm

 

The CLs will have a different gameplay with different consumables, different AA, different stats etc

[Yedwy]

2 minutes ago, hellhound666 said:

i hope that my perma camo on it will be compensated ...

Like they compensated the Z-23 owners? 

 

WG should offer compensation/sell option for ALL camos now that they are removing them but we all know the deal...

[Shirakami_Kon]

Spoiler

Also give Mogami's 155s 25 seconds turn time ffs, WG. We're long past the times of stealthfire Mogami being obnoxious, she's even struggling hard nowadays, give her an effin treat, she deserves it. 

 

[Viridem]

I don't think they'll touch Mogami and her 155mm. We'll still be able to play her. She is beloved, but not overly played, nor OP.

Ooyodo had 155mm guns as well. Since they will very obviously add non-historical ships (maybe one or two historical ones...), one could assume that they'll add a Ooyodo with torps (which she didn't have).

As she was, I think she'd fit tier VI. Add torps, and we might have a tier VII.

 

Besides, "their torpedo launchers will have wide aiming angles ", which is not the case of the Mogami. We're pretty sure that she won't be moved to the new line.

 

We'll see, anything could happen...

[ColonelPete]

34 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

I personally think, it would be pretty dumb to remove the 155mm of the Mogami, because a branch is not defined by the guns, rather by the play style overall. So you can have a CL line with CL playstyle, while you still could have a Mogami with 155mm and Heavy cruiser playstyle.

They have done the same with the Tier VIII KM DD, removed the 150mm guns after the DD split.

[SV_Kompresor]

5 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

They have done the same with the Tier VIII KM DD, removed the 150mm guns after the DD split.

That's what I'm afraid of.

[Pikkozoikum]

9 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

They have done the same with the Tier VIII KM DD, removed the 150mm guns after the DD split.

Yes, but yet we don't have any information and also that they might have learn something about it. But then, there will be a whole line of light cruisers^^

But also, wasn't that split on same tier?

[Panocek]

 

44 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

The thing is, Mogami is defined irl as CL by the caliber. But I think, that this game defines CLs in a different way. CLs have often better utility and better AA. So from this game perspective, a 155mm Mogami is technically still a heavy cruiser, just with different guns. Mogami with 155mm has not more utiltiy, no radar, no smoke, no better AA etc.

 

So a T7 of the IJN CL will not be a Mogami-class with 155 and some lower stats. It will have a different gameplay

IMO Mogami was balanced as "CA" as WG assumed people will switch to 203mm guns as soon as possible, instead sticking with 155mm option, as 203s solve two (artificial) 155mm hurdles - slow turret traverse and shitty firing arcs. Still, current Mogami retains "gimmick" of 27mm hull over other CLs and have IFHE as viable pick.

 

CLs get "utility gimmicks" mostly to compensate for subpar ballistics and penetration, not because "CL are teamplayers". Even with all the gimmicks, no one really considers Cleveland to be better than Baltimore, or Worcester over Des Moines. Brits sacrificed their HE for smoke, Russians have ballistics and range but they don't turn, they sail straight at Berlin... which doesn't really mix well with usual cruiser kind of protection.

 

 

[invicta2012]

Removing Mogami in her 155mm incarnation would be very silly. She's a really fun ship to play.

 

At worst, they take the precedent of the Russian cruiser split / German BBs and make her CL incarnation a Premium/Special ship (like Kirov and GK) which is available to anyone who has previously unlocked it in the Tech Tree, and have a go at tweaking her CA incarnation into something more fun (or just replacing it outright). They could even have a go at the hybrid Mogami from 1943...

[Jvd2000]

A large part of the playerbase preferred the current T8 Mogami in het 155 gun setup. WG tried to discourage this with a very bad gun turret turn rate and promoting the use of the old A hull since it had better concealment… After many request WG buffed the 155 mm Mogami to be a good alternative setup next to the regular 203 version. But it remains a thorn in WG side since the 155 is not appropriate in the line up. And captain skill wise it’s the only jpn cruiser that benefits from IFHE. 
 

I fear WG will remove the 155 option from the current T8 Mogami. Like they removed the 457 option from Conqueror. We will get a T7 early Mogami class CL in the new line in return in 155 only outfit but unless we get a dedicated T8 premium 155 Mogami class in return we will probably lose access to the T8 155 mm variant.

[FooFaFie]

Why are so many negative.

 

Finally I will have the 2 versions of the Mogami in my port (at the same time). I see it as a positive. Something have wanted for a long time.

 

(PS. I still want the Fuso with the A-hull back in the game. Still don't understand why it isn't in the game again)

[Aetius85]

I hope they will not kill the 155 mogami too...one of my preferred ships and with dedicated captain on it. Move it without changes on new line, or at least make her a premium ship and add one of her sisters on CA line with only 203 option..

[Panocek]

2 hours ago, invicta2012 said:

Removing Mogami in her 155mm incarnation would be very silly. She's a really fun ship to play.

 

At worst, they take the precedent of the Russian cruiser split / German BBs and make her CL incarnation a Premium/Special ship (like Kirov and GK) which is available to anyone who has previously unlocked it in the Tech Tree, and have a go at tweaking her CA incarnation into something more fun (or just replacing it outright). They could even have a go at the hybrid Mogami from 1943...

Unlikely, as why WG would remove very much balanced ship that in her CA config perfectly fits the existing line both design and gameplay wise?

Kirov was bit of a sore thumb featuring 180mm guns among 130-152 armed cruisers and was often pointed out as WG own hypocrisy "-why Gneisenau can't have 283mm? -caliber progression -Kirov exists". And unlike Mogami, Kirov had only 180mm guns and unlike Z-23, Kirov is also Russian ship so WG wouldn't dare to ruffle home playerbase the wrong way by rearming her with 152mm cannons

 

56 minutes ago, Jvd2000 said:

dedicated T8 premium 155 Mogami class

The more I think about "what-if Suzuya" as tier 9 coal freemium, the more I like the idea, especially as IJN lacks tier 9 coalbote.

can switch between 155 and 203 guns, just like GK

155 guns with 31mm HE pen base to make IFHE an enticing option alongside new CLs, with 203 she could accept generic CA captain

12km torps in 2x3 launchers per broadside

 

10s base reload on 155mm guns, with reload mod brings it almost in line with theoretical 7 rounds/min these guns could achieve*, 203s could have 14-14.5s to not render Ibuki completely obsolete. And then Ibuki herself could get either 12km torpedo option OR option to rearm with Zao guns as gun upgrade

 

*assuming hoists could keep up with ammo/powder

 

@Seraphice any chance of poking dev team with idea of Mogami class as tier 9 freemium to release alongside IJN light cruisers, with option to freely switch between 155 and 203 guns?

[Shirakami_Kon]

 

No touching 155 Mogami. Hands off.

[ZygZag]

It is really very interesting and funny to read all those posts and see people arguing about the WG actions before these were taken Noone knows what they will do but you start fighting

Problem solution method:

Q1: Do I have any influence on Wg actions?
A1: No
Q2: Any chance to gain that influence?
A2: No

Solution: 
 

Spoiler

 

Anyway - I am personally very happy as I will (I hope) new Japan ships. There are plenty of them to be puted into the game :)

[Spellfire40]

10 hours ago, Gnirf said:

T7 155 mm guns that is 3 alt Oyodo (better as a prem iMO) Oyoda will be probably a prem since it has no torps. Anyway 6 155 at t7 on such a small ship would be rogh more likely see a Tone 155mm version without that CV play gimic.

 

[Andrewbassg]

4 minutes ago, ZygZag said:

It is really very interesting and funny to read all those posts and see people arguing about the WG actions before these were taken Noone knows what they will do but you start fighting

 

Erm......that's not a fight. We are discussing things. Otherwise the forums can be quite funny and entertaining, sometimes even a LOT more than the game.

4 minutes ago, ZygZag said:

Problem solution method:

Q1: Do I have any influence on Wg actions?
A1: No
Q2: Any chance to gain that influence?
A2: No
 

A1. Yes and no. We are giving feedback. If it is listened .....¯\_(ツ)_/¯

A2. Ditto.

4 minutes ago, ZygZag said:

Solution: 
 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

 

Yo yeah Bobby is dope.

 

 

4 minutes ago, ZygZag said:

Anyway - I am personally very happy as I will (I hope) new Japan ships. There are plenty of them to be puted into the game :)

More ships = even less balance

[Spellfire40]

5 hours ago, Panocek said:

Unlikely, as why WG would remove very much balanced ship that in her CA config perfectly fits the existing line both design and gameplay wise?

Depends op their aim. They removed Conquers big guns to make Thunderer and didnt included Gneisenaus 11 inch to sell Scharnhorst. Whats pointing to a fantasy design thogh is the suposed "good" Trorp angles wich make mostl ikely we get a 155mm Atago wich would fit that description unlike Mogamis restriced trop angles.

[Panocek]

11 minutes ago, Spellfire40 said:

Depends op their aim. They removed Conquers big guns to make Thunderer and didnt included Gneisenaus 11 inch to sell Scharnhorst. Whats pointing to a fantasy design thogh is the suposed "good" Trorp angles wich would make it if fantasy mostl ikely we get a 155mm Atago wich would fit that description unlike Mogamis restriced trop angles.

Speaking of "155 Atago"...

[deathsadow]

6 minutes ago, Spellfire40 said:

Depends op their aim. They removed Conquers big guns to make Thunderer and didnt included Gneisenaus 11 inch to sell Scharnhorst. Whats pointing to a fantasy design thogh is the suposed "good" Trorp angles wich make mostl ikely we get a 155mm Atago wich would fit that description unlike Mogamis restriced trop angles.

Yeah what i expect is that WG just take another name from the Mogami class and split the current Mogami to 2 different T8 cruisers, same as they did with the above mentioned 2 ships and probably they tune them around the new versions.

 

Also i would bet that the new line 

[deathsadow]

Also do you guys think the new IJN line will keep the kiting stealthy cruiser style , or we are going to get another island hugger smoke sitter kind of CL ?

[ZygZag]

36 minutes ago, Andrewbassg said:

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More ships = even less balance

Well, what is the magical "balance" you are looking for in the on-line game? IMO new IJN cruisers bench of the tree will not make more mess than CV rework or subs or TXI ships did.

I have done reset of IJN cruisers 4 times. In 3 days I will start the 5th. I think after that I will make a break from the game and will come back by fall :)

Anyway: if WeeGee will remove from Mogami 60 Caliber 3rd Year Type 15.5 cm Guns I will dedicate this song to the devs and... will just keep playing new line. It is just a game, not a real tragedy.

"Dead love couldn't go no further(...) Brass knife sinks into my shoulder"
 

Spoiler

 

 

[Spellfire40]

22 minutes ago, Panocek said:

Speaking of "155 Atago"...

Looks like a Superheavy Yubari  

[Andrewbassg]

26 minutes ago, ZygZag said:

Well, what is the magical "balance" you are looking for in the on-line game? 

Erm...... like fair, fun and engaging game experience?

26 minutes ago, ZygZag said:

IMO new IJN cruisers bench of the tree will not make more mess than CV rework or subs or TXI ships did.
 

I never suggested that those factors are not mutually inclusive. Because that's what Wedgie has done for the last 2 years, crammed ship lines  after ships in the game, all the while also selling them, so ....yeah. Its the same tendency so now we should make an exception?

26 minutes ago, ZygZag said:

I have done reset of IJN cruisers 4 times. In 3 days I will start the 5th. I think after that I will make a break from the game and will come back by fall :)

i cant unrecognize the wiseness behind that call.

[Pururut]

A lot has been said with using Japanese heavy cruisers in their original light cruiser gun configuration. Judging from what Wargaming has said about the gun calibers of these ships it is likely that we will have Nagara/Sendai for tier 5, Agano/Ooyodo for tier 6, Chikuma for tier 7 and paper designs for tier 8 to 10. Based on Conways most of the Japanese light cruisers are relatively small, fast and have torpedo armament in exchange for having few batteries and weak armor. I think Wargaming should design the line based on that with emphasis on torpedoes and concealment.

 

We can have Nagara, Sendai, Agano, Ooyodo and Kitakami as the new tier 5 to 10 ships with tier 9 left to Wargaming's imagination. Consumables like smoke and repair can be used to boost survivability and maybe torpedo reload booster can be given to mid tier ships in order to increase their area denial capabilities. Sadly aircraft carriers will always be a problem but not much that can be done about that.