IJN Light cruiser line in roadmap

[Gnirf]

Interesting T5-6 will have 152 mm guns, May that wil be Agano at T5 and a developed Agano w 8 guns(were designed), T7 155 mm guns that is 3 alt Oyodo (better as a prem iMO) as it is only 6-155 mm, Chikuma as first designed with 12-155 mm and Mikuma 15-155 mm (sister to Mogami), maybe they drop the 155 mm on Mogami then. 

T8-10 pure fantasy I suppose (DP 150 mm). But like Zao has some scant reference in Japanese books maybe they have something to base it on. I have the Bible on Japanese cruisers and I can not recall anything from there but it has passed quite a lot of time since that book arrive so maybe something has been published in Japanese language sources. Does anyone know? Below snipped from WoWs website.

Japanese Light Cruisers

By fall, we'll have added Japanese Tier V–X light cruisers for testing. Their concept is in development, but we can already safely say that all ships of the branch will have 610 mm torpedoes at their disposal, and their torpedo launchers will have wide aiming angles. As for their main batteries, the Tier V and VI ships will have 152 mm guns, the Tier VII ship will have 155 mm guns, and high-tier cruisers will carry 150 mm dual-purpose guns.

[SV_Kompresor]

They're gonna kill mogami by the looks of it. Great job wg, great job.

[Pikkozoikum]

me hyped. Waiting for so long for those.

[Pikkozoikum]

3 minutes ago, SV_Kompresor said:

They're gonna kill mogami by the looks of it. Great job wg, great job.

They didn't say anything about Mogami?

[Andrewbassg]

14 minutes ago, Gnirf said:

maybe they drop the 155 mm on Mogami then.

Better to not touch my Mogami!! It really won't make me happy...

[SV_Kompresor]

1 minute ago, Pikkozoikum said:

They didn't say anything about Mogami?

Tier 7 is the only one with 155mm guns.

[Gnirf]

8 minutes ago, SV_Kompresor said:

They're gonna kill mogami by the looks of it. Great job wg, great job.

[Pikkozoikum]

2 minutes ago, SV_Kompresor said:

Tier 7 is the only one with 155mm guns.

Maya T7, Atago T8 -> Both Takao-class. Got Atago "killed" because of that?
I mean, it could happen, that they remove Mogami in a way, but then, we don't lose a light cruiser, we gain a whole light cruiser line? o_O

[Pikkozoikum]

2 minutes ago, Gnirf said:

We will not just have 1 light cruiser, we will gain a whole cruiser line, isn't that better? I like the IJN CLs

[SV_Kompresor]

3 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

Maya T7, Atago T8 -> Both Takao-class. Got Atago "killed" because of that?
I mean, it could happen, that they remove Mogami in a way, but then, we don't lose a light cruiser, we gain a whole light cruiser line? o_O

What are you even talking about at this point? According to what wg said, the tier 8 155 mogami will no longer exist. Unless they keep the light cruiser version in the heavy cruiser line which is unlikely.

[Andrewbassg]

7 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

We will not just have 1 light cruiser, we will gain a whole cruiser line, isn't that better? I like the IJN CLs

I've have spoken. Don't touch my Mogami!

[Pikkozoikum]

2 minutes ago, SV_Kompresor said:

What are you even talking about at this point? According to what wg said, the tier 8 155 mogami will no longer exist. Unless they keep the light cruiser version in the heavy cruiser line which is unlikely.

I'm answering to your assumption. That'S what I'm talking about.

You said, that Mogami get killed, because you assume, that they remove Mogami and make her a T7.

The only thing I see, that there will be a 155mm cruiser in the CL line. That could be Mikuma, Suzuya or Kumano. That are all Mogami-class ships built with 155mm.

As an example for having the same class in different tiers, I pointed out the Takao-class. We got there T8 and T7.

 

Aside that, the Mogami in this game has the heavy cruiser gameplay. The only difference is, that you can pick different guns, but the gameplay is the same. Same concealment, same consumables, same stats (aside guns)

 

The light cruisers will have different overall stats and different gameplay. Light cruisers are often utility ships with many consumables.

 

It could happen, that they remove the light guns of the Mogami T8, but I don't see, why they would do that. But even if they remove those guns, there will be a whole line of light crusiers

[SV_Kompresor]

2 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

It could happen, that they remove the light guns of the Mogami T8, but I don't see, why they would do that. But even if they remove those guns, there will be a whole line of light crusiers

And that line will not have the 155mm mogami at tier 8. Which means that that specific mogami will no longer exist.

[Pikkozoikum]

3 minutes ago, SV_Kompresor said:

And that line will not have the 155mm mogami at tier 8. Which means that that specific mogami will no longer exist.

And what I initially said. There is no conflict in having T8 Mogami with 155mm and T7 Suzuya for CL branch.

 

The T8 Mogami with 155mm is still a heavy cruiser gameplay. A T7 CL will have a different gameplay

[SV_Kompresor]

1 minute ago, Pikkozoikum said:

And what I initially said. There is no conflict in having T8 Mogami with 155mm and T7 Suzuya for CL branch.

 

The T8 Mogami with 155mm is still a heavy cruiser gameplay. A T7 CL will have a different gameplay

I find it highly unlikely that WG would leave a light cruiser in a heavy cruiser line. I really hope that they do, but I doubt it. 

[Andrewbassg]

12 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

 

Don't give em frakkin ideas!!

[Pikkozoikum]

8 minutes ago, SV_Kompresor said:

I find it highly unlikely that WG would leave a light cruiser in a heavy cruiser line. I really hope that they do, but I doubt it. 

I personally think, it would be pretty dumb to remove the 155mm of the Mogami, because a branch is not defined by the guns, rather by the play style overall. So you can have a CL line with CL playstyle, while you still could have a Mogami with 155mm and Heavy cruiser playstyle.

[Shirakami_Kon]

I mean, we have a few options with precedents.

 

1: Something replaces Mogami in the heavy cruiser line when she gets moved to the light cruiser one (like Cleveland got moved back in the day).

 

2: We get new ships in both heavy and light cruiser lines and people that owns Mogami when she gets moved out keeps her as a premium version (like what happened with Kirov back in the russian cruiser line split).

 

It's obvious that something will happen about Mogami, but I don't see her going anywhere as a ship, she won't dissapear suddenly. Specially not such a popular ship with her 155s.

[Panocek]

40 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

They didn't say anything about Mogami?

From gun calibers posted - 152mm on tier 5-6, 155mm on tier 7 and 150mm on tier 8-10, 155mm was used solely by Mogami class

 

2 minutes ago, Shirakami_Kon said:

1: Something replaces Mogami in the heavy cruiser line when she gets moved to the light cruiser one (like Cleveland got moved back in the day).

Given Mogami historically had both 155 and 203 calibers, Mogami staying where she is, just in CA config is most likely scenario while other Mogami class would be put on tier 7 in CL line.

[Pikkozoikum]

2 minutes ago, Panocek said:

From gun calibers posted - 152mm on tier 5-6, 155mm on tier 7 and 150mm on tier 8-10, 155mm was used solely by Mogami class

Ye, "class". So we get maybe Suzuya as T7, just like Maya (Takao-class). See no issue :P

[Yedwy]

Mogami is one of my favorite ships but lets be real here in 155 form she is a pre war design just as those guns and turrets she carry clearly are not up to WW2 spec, she fits T7 better then T8 TBH and she always did, sheer number of guns means little in that regard today as Helena and Boise/NDJ also have 15 6" and they sit comfortably at T7...

 

 

[Panocek]

1 minute ago, Pikkozoikum said:

Ye, "class". So we get maybe Suzuya as T7, just like Maya (Takao-class). See no issue :P

Issue is, current Mogami with 155mm combines both "CL" caliber with 27mm hull and she is only CL where IFHE is actually interesting proposition - 31mm base HE pen goes up to 38mm and her already low base fire chance isn't affected as much by the skill.

 

At tier 7, we can only hope she will get 26mm HE pen by default, which in turn would at least continue trend of IFHE being viable pick, as it would bring HE pen up to 32mm.

[hellhound666]

50 minutes ago, SV_Kompresor said:

They're gonna kill mogami by the looks of it. Great job wg, great job.

i hope that my perma camo on it will be compensated ...

[Shirakami_Kon]

4 minutes ago, Panocek said:

From gun calibers posted - 152mm on tier 5-6, 155mm on tier 7 and 150mm on tier 8-10, 155mm was used solely by Mogami class

 

Given Mogami historically had both 155 and 203 calibers, Mogami staying where she is, just in CA config is most likely scenario while other Mogami class would be put on tier 7 in CL line.

That would cause some serious shitstorm (not like I'd contribute or anything ) considering the huge appeal Mogami has since currently is the only ship in the line from tier 5 until Zao that doesn't make you feel you're playing the same ship with the ocasional extra turret.

 

The ways out I see is that Mogami gets moved to the light cruiser line as the ship with 155s there and she gets a sister ship as pure CA in the heavy cruiser line replacing her, or honestly, what I consider it's the best outcome, a sister ship replaces her, the light cruiser line gets a third sister ship with 155s, and Mogami owners keep her as a premium version with her current choice at will by the player on her guns.

 

 

[Pikkozoikum]

2 minutes ago, Panocek said:

Issue is, current Mogami with 155mm combines both "CL" caliber with 27mm hull and she is only CL where IFHE is actually interesting proposition - 31mm base HE pen goes up to 38mm and her already low base fire chance isn't affected as much by the skill.

 

At tier 7, we can only hope she will get 26mm HE pen by default, which in turn would at least continue trend of IFHE being viable pick, as it would bring HE pen up to 32mm.

The thing is, Mogami is defined irl as CL by the caliber. But I think, that this game defines CLs in a different way. CLs have often better utility and better AA. So from this game perspective, a 155mm Mogami is technically still a heavy cruiser, just with different guns. Mogami with 155mm has not more utiltiy, no radar, no smoke, no better AA etc.

 

So a T7 of the IJN CL will not be a Mogami-class with 155 and some lower stats. It will have a different gameplay