[P-H] WalkingDutchman Players 72 posts 23,398 battles Report post #1 Posted May 3, 2022 Karma is useless right now except for its potential to give a symbolic thumbs down to someone. So how about we make it relevant again. Let's have a cost for taking a CV into a random. Make it only 5 karma for all I care. Let's see how many CV's we still have to put up with. This will solve so many problems and maybe even force people to be nicer to eachother for Karma so they can cover the cost of griefing. 1 4 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RenamedUser_92906789 Players 5,828 posts Report post #2 Posted May 4, 2022 When was karma ever relevant? 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[P-H] WalkingDutchman Players 72 posts 23,398 battles Report post #3 Posted May 4, 2022 3 hours ago, RenamedUser_92906789 said: When was karma ever relevant? Good question. It wasn't. My guess is I put that 'again' there because I still had the maga slogan in my head when writing that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[AWSL] ReDiR20 Players 473 posts 4,980 battles Report post #4 Posted May 4, 2022 What the problem with taking CV into randoms? Most of us likes variety, so it fun to play some CV game in between. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TMCF] Herbstnebel1975 Players 478 posts 10,344 battles Report post #5 Posted May 4, 2022 It's easier to get reported rather than getting complemented. No matter how good you play. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[P7S] Vbeest Players 452 posts Report post #6 Posted May 4, 2022 13 hours ago, WalkingDutchman said: Karma is useless right now except for its potential to give a symbolic thumbs down to someone. So how about we make it relevant again. Let's have a cost for taking a CV into a random. Make it only 5 karma for all I care. Let's see how many CV's we still have to put up with. This will solve so many problems and maybe even force people to be nicer to eachother for Karma so they can cover the cost of griefing. For anyone older than 12, there is no better commemoration for a CV game than -2 from enemies seen after battle. -3 is much more of an achievement and quite rare, I got one for 8 kills in Hakuryu - my max, btw. I should print the screenshot and hang it over my monitor. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PEZ] Yedwy Players 11,301 posts 39,586 battles Report post #7 Posted May 4, 2022 13 hours ago, WalkingDutchman said: Karma is useless right now except for its potential to give a symbolic thumbs down to someone. So how about we make it relevant again. Let's have a cost for taking a CV into a random. Make it only 5 karma for all I care. Let's see how many CV's we still have to put up with. This will solve so many problems and maybe even force people to be nicer to eachother for Karma so they can cover the cost of griefing. Karma was never relevant All I care it can be removed altogether, this game is full of toxic tu*ds that will downvote people for whatever reason so that number has no bearing at all 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MORIA] Johnny_Moneto Beta Tester 2,903 posts 22,225 battles Report post #8 Posted May 4, 2022 Vor 58 Minuten, WalkingDutchman sagte: Good question. It wasn't. My guess is I put that 'again' there because I still had the maga slogan in my head when writing that. Looks like you tried to be witty. Keep trying. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[P-H] WalkingDutchman Players 72 posts 23,398 battles Report post #9 Posted May 4, 2022 I don't see what would be so wrong about this though. I think it could be a good change. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OYO] FooFaFie Players 837 posts Report post #10 Posted May 4, 2022 Maybe give people with high karma (+1000) a shinny saint badge. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FAM] tom_kat Players 147 posts 31,069 battles Report post #11 Posted May 4, 2022 Ah, the Karma thing. I remember 4 or 5 months ago when I got some reports from a division that thought that using my Salem's radar against them was a noob thing... I also remember that Zao showing full broadside to my Stalingrad at 12 km that were deleted and the report I had just because "hacker, It's impossible to do that"... Or the reports I had last week just because a CV player wanted very hard my Gouden Leeuw destroyed and he lost almost 50 planes... The Karma idea, from the beginnin, was nice. The problem is that this game is so full of people who does not know the game basis, people that thinks they are the best and does not get the idea of someone who plays better or people that does not recognize a mistake because they are infallible... 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[AMOC] NewHorizons_1 [AMOC] Players 3,860 posts 46,912 battles Report post #12 Posted May 4, 2022 12 minutes ago, tom_kat said: The Karma idea, from the beginnin, was nice. The problem is that this game is so full of people who does not know the game basis, people that thinks they are the best and does not get the idea of someone who plays better or people that does not recognize a mistake because they are infallible... Yup, I got reported by a T8 Benson for hacking when my (AP only) Plymouth burnt down a Montana .... with its HE secondaries. At low mid tiers you can understand players not knowing the all the mechanics and the capabilities of all the ships, but when you get reported at high tiers because of ignorance it can be funny ... in a bad way. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DEH] hellhound666 Beta Tester 1,978 posts Report post #13 Posted May 4, 2022 1 hour ago, WalkingDutchman said: Good question. It wasn't. actually, it was ... in the very beginning, perhaps just in beta, perhaps just in ru server ... good karma used to give some signals periodically afaik 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[P-H] WalkingDutchman Players 72 posts 23,398 battles Report post #14 Posted May 4, 2022 7 minutes ago, hellhound666 said: actually, it was ... in the very beginning, perhaps just in beta, perhaps just in ru server ... good karma used to give some signals periodically afaik I did not know this! I like that. Why did they get rid of it? Same reason you don't get signals for achievements anymore? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DEH] hellhound666 Beta Tester 1,978 posts Report post #15 Posted May 4, 2022 52 minutes ago, WalkingDutchman said: Same reason you don't get signals for achievements anymore? probably no but i dont know. it was a long time ago and some ru streamers mentioned it occasionally ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[AMOC] NewHorizons_1 [AMOC] Players 3,860 posts 46,912 battles Report post #16 Posted May 4, 2022 53 minutes ago, WalkingDutchman said: I did not know this! I like that. Why did they get rid of it? Same reason you don't get signals for achievements anymore? I thought it was the NA server, but either way it probably got removed because :- Not fair to players on other servers Open to abuse, ie friends always +1 or griefers always -1, regardless of what actually happened in the match Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BATES] ItsEyeJasper Players 559 posts 14,433 battles Report post #17 Posted May 4, 2022 I feel that if you can maintain good karma you should get increased resources from containers. However they should split Battle performance from Karma. Ie no reporting for bad play. Only for bad chat. If someone does not chat but gets reported for it anyways the reporter then loses double Karma. Battle Performance reports would then be visible on a separated tab 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the_crow_96 Players 73 posts Report post #18 Posted May 4, 2022 Keep only the compliment and leave the report, if you play well and get complimented you get a bonus in exp and credits. You still should get a penalty for unsportman conduct (like AFK and bad behavior in chat) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[R7S] lovelacebeer Players 4,158 posts 25,223 battles Report post #19 Posted May 4, 2022 Surely to make Karma great again it would have had to have been great in the past. Still it would be nice if upon reaching certain karma thresholds you got rewarded, as such systems do exist in other games. Still as far as wows is concerned karma is just a vent for players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LAFIE] lafeel Beta Tester 7,707 posts 7,856 battles Report post #20 Posted May 4, 2022 19 hours ago, WalkingDutchman said: Karma is useless right now except for its potential to give a symbolic thumbs down to someone. So how about we make it relevant again. Let's have a cost for taking a CV into a random. Make it only 5 karma for all I care. Let's see how many CV's we still have to put up with. This will solve so many problems and maybe even force people to be nicer to eachother for Karma so they can cover the cost of griefing. News flash: Karma was never anything other than useless. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[UIF] I_come_bearing_gifts Players 272 posts 39,279 battles Report post #21 Posted May 4, 2022 10 hours ago, Herbstnebel1975 said: It's easier to get reported rather than getting complemented. No matter how good you play. I remember the days I used to get reported for turning up in a CV, now I get complimented So now I play Subs and parity is restored. -10, no -20 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[COOOP] Shirakami_Kon Players 2,624 posts 12,776 battles Report post #22 Posted May 5, 2022 It's 2022 and some people still need this to be broke to them, huh? The only reason the karma is there is because it keeps people contempt enough with just removing a virtual point from you so they think you'll feel bad about it and not venting it in verbally on chat for everyone's "enjoyment". Quick exercise: Just remember that time when for whatever reason something frustrated the hell out of you so you just reported the guy before moving to next match or even quitting the game for the day. What would happen if people didn't have that option when that happens? You'd have them displaying their most dignified vocabulary they know in chat. Constantly. A lot of people every single match. You still see those cases from time to time anyway even with the reports, so imagine if the reports weren't there for those times. Currently at least in most cases this way people just report the guy and leave without making an unnecesary scene no one cares about. That's why the karma system won't change from what it is now or there won't be limitations for injust reports or whatever. The system does what it is for, whoever you hurt their fragile feelings took a virtual point from you (ouch) and moved on. Just accept that whatever karma you have doesn't really matter. You have hundreds or thousands of karma like some people here? Good for you mate, you're doing something good enough it actually shows. You sometimes get your 2/3 karma and in a random battle it's gone because you touched someone's ship in places they considered inappropiate? Just learn to move on, no one cares. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[GATOI] matia251 Players 87 posts 38,574 battles Report post #23 Posted May 5, 2022 Steer your vent towards the ones who are responsible. Venting for anyone's gaming behaviour when over 90% of occasions is not their fault is absurd . Wargaming blatantly keeps insulting human intelligence by forcing players with so vast difference in skill/experience to play IN THE SAME MAP...this DOES NOT HAPPEN ANYWHERE ON EARTH but here..of course i am talking about Ranked while it could also apply to high tier Randoms too. They are doing NOTHING to introduce a learning curve, NOTHING to prevent totally clueless players acquiring T10 and Superships, NOTHING to prevent toxic gaming enviroment by introducing the sheer stupidity of broken CVs and Subs and yet they want to be paid for their efforts. As enthusiastic as i was to pay for this game and reward those behind it when i started playing they managed to turn me 180 degrees and now i dont wanna reward any effort, i dont wanna spend ANYTHING on this game cause Wargaming managed to turn the fun and engaging content into constant frustration within a toxic gaming enviroment. Their behaviour towards anyone who spends more than a few years in this game is appalling, insulting and degrading. This is supposed to be a "hobby" and its the only reason i still engage daily with but i wanna spend NOTHING MORE than my precious time. And for a millionth time, let me refer to WG CEO's own words advertising the nature of the game which went something like this "....when i wanna have fun I grab a guy who’s about at my level and enjoy the game".....sure mr Victor...though everyone else at wargaming actually ignores that and places my 35k battles experience with a bunch of sub 1000 battles totally clueless players in a T10 or even a supership..in the same team...to enjoy the FRIGGIN GAME....disgusting.... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[_I_] Nibenay78 Players 3,266 posts 27,734 battles Report post #24 Posted May 5, 2022 On 5/4/2022 at 11:08 AM, Vbeest said: For anyone older than 12, there is no better commemoration for a CV game than -2 from enemies seen after battle. I would not think it gives any indication regarding your CV skill or anything. Personally I tend to report both friendly and enemy CV during the start countdown... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[_I_] Nibenay78 Players 3,266 posts 27,734 battles Report post #25 Posted May 5, 2022 On 5/4/2022 at 11:40 AM, tom_kat said: Or the reports I had last week just because a CV player wanted very hard my Gouden Leeuw destroyed and he lost almost 50 planes... It is unfair to not let CV player kill you at their leisure though... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
