SodaBubbles Players 1,553 posts 1,028 battles Report post #26 Posted May 1, 2022 9 hours ago, BruderRaziel said: I have a question for all the super-unicums, those who understand every aspect of the game and are still playing for hours regularly: What are you doing to avoid the immense frustration that comes with having to fight subs? I just play T5-8 and Ranked. There are often garbage matches involving CVs and subs, but WOWs matches can occur as well. Play Ranked. And spend nothing til subs are out of Randoms. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MBHH] Trench4nt Players 2,133 posts Report post #27 Posted May 1, 2022 Vor 9 Stunden, BruderRaziel sagte: I am serious, I currently consider quitting my favourite pvp game for good because the state of the game is beyond broken and unenjoyable to me. Until subs were released even CVs and could not outweigh the parts I like about WoWs, but now I want to pull my hair out after 2 games at the very most and I cant seem to find any meaningful counterplay, even if the subplayer is a certified potato. And dont even ask how it is when hes not... Seriously, what do I do? Despite literally hundreds of forumpages in every available language raging and speaking out against the implementation of subs there seems to be zero movement towards listening to this feedback and I have lost any hope that we wont get this crap forced into the Is quitting really the only option in this case or does any super-unicum have some sage advice for me so I can enjoy my beloved warships game again? Well, stop playing Thunderer or Smolensk. Both ships are the weakest ones to play in terms of game mechanics. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OZYR] Andrewbassg Players 3,800 posts 25,719 battles Report post #28 Posted May 1, 2022 9 hours ago, COPlUM said: .....just play something else until 11.4 when subs will be nerfed.... 9 hours ago, COPlUM said: Most people just played something else for awhile. We are supposedly testing subs. If people will play something else how they gonna reach to a..... meaningful conclusion? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RAIN] GarrusBrutus Players 3,711 posts 12,428 battles Report post #29 Posted May 1, 2022 10 minutes ago, Systergummi said: I feel a bit for the other guys... 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OZYR] Andrewbassg Players 3,800 posts 25,719 battles Report post #30 Posted May 1, 2022 10 minutes ago, Trench4nt said: Well, stop playing Thunderer... Aaactually....... I play Nevsky. Range mod, fire flags, Demo man and the barbecue is served. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLING] Cammo1962 [BLING] Players 2,468 posts 25,182 battles Report post #31 Posted May 1, 2022 20 minutes ago, Andrewbassg said: We are supposedly testing subs. If people will play something else how they gonna reach to a..... meaningful conclusion? @Andrewbassg WG ?? 1 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HassenderZerhacker Players 1,307 posts 3,884 battles Report post #32 Posted May 1, 2022 10 hours ago, BruderRaziel said: Is quitting really the only option in this case yes, it really is 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-YGM-] DDsOnly Players 89 posts 571 battles Report post #33 Posted May 1, 2022 They are not as bad to fight as people make them out to be, the problem are the whiner wows youtubers that just spout garbage for views 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[VPM] OldSchoolFrankie [VPM] Players 989 posts 20,595 battles Report post #34 Posted May 1, 2022 Submarines take the fun out of the game for me too. If you find a solution other than not playing, please let me know. I don't think wargaming will move in our direction and change for the better, at least I think it's very unlikely. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TOFTC] Pikkozoikum Players 7,658 posts 13,680 battles Report post #35 Posted May 1, 2022 Though I'm not a unicum, but I like diversity and different approaches. It's fun to me to fight submarines actually :3 So the only way to find fun against submarines is probably to understand how they work and how to play against them. Just like a BB player has to learn the same against a DD for example 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-RNR-] Maris_Piper Players 2,012 posts Report post #36 Posted May 1, 2022 2 hours ago, lovelacebeer said: I stopped playing random battles and play ranked or scenarios instead. Submarines just suck the fun right out of the game for me so I avoid the modes where they are present. Not an ideal solution I grant you but it does the job. This 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WildWind84 Players 604 posts 15,920 battles Report post #37 Posted May 1, 2022 2 hours ago, GarrusBrutus said: I'm a Ranked refugee now. Same... I was really trying yesterday in random, basically with everything t5-10, bbs, cruisers, even dds... result was-you all know what is result. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HAKUY] Yosha_AtaIante Players 8,032 posts 19,096 battles Report post #38 Posted May 1, 2022 10 hours ago, BruderRaziel said: Why? If effective counterplay exists, why not just tell me about it? All the details have already been talked to death in thousands of posts in the main-thread for sub feedback, do I really have to explain all of it again? I am not here to give feedback, that is a waste of time in my eyes, I am here because I am desperate and about to quit what used to be my favourite pvp game. I am asking for help here, not a discussion. Besides my original post kind of mentioned the lack of effective counterplay, which is by far not all I dislike about subs design, but I think expecting an essay from me in exchange for genuine advice is a bit stiff, dont you think? Simple, it always depends on the ingame situation and how the sub is threatening you, in what position you are in that moment, if you were aware of its presence or not and much more. If you really want to know how to play the game with and around subs then give me specific examples and if that's too complicated for you or if your goal was to rant from the start instead of really wanting advice then just ignore this offer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ZRMS] De_Zeeuwse_Admiraliteit Players 86 posts 12,323 battles Report post #39 Posted May 1, 2022 20 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said: Though I'm not a unicum, but I like diversity and different approaches. It's fun to me to fight submarines actually :3 So the only way to find fun against submarines is probably to understand how they work and how to play against them. Just like a BB player has to learn the same against a DD for example Exactly. Many people in here sound kinda clueless to be honest. Dude wants advice about counterplay, all you get is the usual 'subs not fun', 'you should quit', 'subs too OP' and 'I hate subs'. My god... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-TPF-] invicta2012 Players 6,382 posts 26,779 battles Report post #40 Posted May 1, 2022 18 minutes ago, De_Zeeuwse_Admiraliteit said: Exactly. Many people in here sound kinda clueless to be honest. Dude wants advice about counterplay, all you get is the usual 'subs not fun', 'you should quit', 'subs too OP' and 'I hate subs'. My god.. Largely because "I've explained the counterplay, you're just not good enough to execute it" is usually the argument of people who play a broken class of ship, not those who have to play against it. The best advice is to go back down the Tiers and learn sub counterplay as you learned to play the original game. One thing that everyone can agree on is that people who buy a high tier premium when they don't understand the basics of the game are looking to get whacked and they deserve it; if you're trying to play to Tier X against subs when you've played a dozen matches in a sub environment then it's not a surprise if you get the same outcomes as a 50 game newbie in a Tirpitz. Because that's your skill level. So you have to learn and practice lower down the Tiers. Tier IV and V would be ideal, if WG hadn't mucked them up with double CV spam and no AA. They could do everyone a favour at this point and give anyone who wants it a free CV pass to Tier VI so that people can use IV-V for sub practice.... (FWIW I do think subs are broken - having tried to depth charge a few in DDs and finding myself dealing with sonar guided 70kt torps with no apparent arming distance is *such* fun. I was hoping for a proper shoot out (like in a Western) and what I got was press "R" and hope. ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FJAKA] Port_Authority Players 320 posts 22,583 battles Report post #41 Posted May 1, 2022 Just FYI all people rooting for the subs in this thread are 'average' players. They claim there is counterplay. OP asked for unicums to tell him how they handle subs. Not average players how they play subs and what, from their 'average' perspective, is the counterplay against them. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OZYR] Andrewbassg Players 3,800 posts 25,719 battles Report post #42 Posted May 1, 2022 34 minutes ago, Yuu5Eleven said: Simple, it always depends on the ingame situation.... Yeah.... Do tell what poor Borodino could have done? Look, he's dead. I'm sure that he had great fun. This is just underlines how stupid the whole "DCP defeats ping" thingy is. Also......... As you can see the sub on the other hand had great fun. Tho he completely ignored the cap. So much for the teamplay..... Still.... ......he is not a completely lost cause Edit : Just in case... 20220501_134356_PRSC210-Pr-84-Alexander-Nevsky_15_NE_north.wowsreplay Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TOFTC] Pikkozoikum Players 7,658 posts 13,680 battles Report post #43 Posted May 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, Andrewbassg said: Yeah.... Do tell what poor Borodino could have done? Look, he's dead. I'm sure that he had great fun. This is just underlines how stupid the whole "DCP defeats ping" thingy is. Also......... As you can see the sub on the other hand had great fun. Tho he completely ignored the cap. So much for the teamplay..... Still.... ......he is not a completely lost cause I don't see any issue. A vessel with torps was in a channel, where an enemy BB also decided to move in and then he get torped. A DD could do the same, even some cruisers. But hard to tell just by screenshots, maybe Borodino was mega smart and I just don't see it :-| And that a submarines ignores cap has nothing to do with the class. That is a players decision. But to your question, what Borodino could have done: Thinking about, where a submarine might approach. Maybe something, that a submarine can reach like the center cap, the channel there etc. Going there was quite dangerous with or without submarine Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HAKUY] Yosha_AtaIante Players 8,032 posts 19,096 battles Report post #44 Posted May 1, 2022 15 minutes ago, Andrewbassg said: Yeah.... Do tell what poor Borodino could have done? Look, he's dead. I'm sure that he had great fun. This is just underlines how stupid the whole "DCP defeats ping" thingy is. Also......... As you can see the sub on the other hand had great fun. Tho he completely ignored the cap. So much for the teamplay..... Still.... ......he is not a completely lost cause Edit : Just in case... 20220501_134356_PRSC210-Pr-84-Alexander-Nevsky_15_NE_north.wowsreplay Ok tell me mister smart how is that different to this? What could the poor BBs and Hidny with hydro have done https://outplayed.tv/media/lng3Mz 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TOFTC] Pikkozoikum Players 7,658 posts 13,680 battles Report post #45 Posted May 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, Yuu5Eleven said: Ok tell me mister smart how is that different to this? What could the poor BBs and Hidny with hydro have done https://outplayed.tv/media/lng3Mz The difference is, that Shima is in the game since release and of course they could easily dodge that, they just refused to do it 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HAKUY] Yosha_AtaIante Players 8,032 posts 19,096 battles Report post #46 Posted May 1, 2022 Just now, Pikkozoikum said: The difference is, that Shima is in the game since release and of course they could easily dodge that, they just refused to do it Of course, they also could have known magically that I was there about to torp them :D 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OZYR] Andrewbassg Players 3,800 posts 25,719 battles Report post #47 Posted May 1, 2022 28 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said: I don't see any issue. Yeah.... 28 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said: A vessel with torps was in a channel, where an enemy BB also decided to move in and then he get torped. A DD could do the same, even some cruisers. But hard to tell just by screenshots, maybe Borodino was mega smart and I just don't see it :-| Except, as you know, the Borodino is a radar (12 km) equipped BB. It was actually a good call, he tried to play the objective. 28 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said: And that a submarines ignores cap has nothing to do with the class. That is a players decision. Of course. However it does encourage this kind of behavior. 28 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said: But to your question, what Borodino could have done: Thinking about, where a submarine might approach. Maybe something, that a submarine can reach like the center cap, the channel there etc. Going there was quite dangerous with or without submarine And who could have warned him about the presence of the sub?? That thing was at ~10 km from him. to no avail. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OZYR] Andrewbassg Players 3,800 posts 25,719 battles Report post #48 Posted May 1, 2022 12 minutes ago, Yuu5Eleven said: Ok tell me mister smart how is that different to this? What could the poor BBs and Hidny with hydro have done https://outplayed.tv/media/lng3Mz Yo.....those two situations are not the same and you know it, full well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RAIN] GarrusBrutus Players 3,711 posts 12,428 battles Report post #49 Posted May 1, 2022 12 minutes ago, Yuu5Eleven said: Ok tell me mister smart how is that different to this? What could the poor BBs and Hidny with hydro have done Are you really saying a shima has similar counterplay to subs? Oh boy... nottu thisu shittu againu 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HAKUY] Yosha_AtaIante Players 8,032 posts 19,096 battles Report post #50 Posted May 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, GarrusBrutus said: Are you really saying a shima has similar counterplay to subs? Oh boy... nottu thisu shittu againu No, I'm just saying that stupid gets punished. A DD would have done the same as a sub But a sub wouldn't have been able to do what I did with the shima. It all depends on the ingame situation. I never stated that this is always how it goes. If BBs know from where the shima torps they can to an extend dodge most of the torps. They can't necessarily however avoid all the subs torps. However sub torps do far less damage. It's not all the same but depending on the decisionmaking of the victim the outcome is the same. Or are you saying the BBs i torped in that clip had counterplay and fun? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
