First steel ship?

[WildWind84]

1 hour ago, HMS_Kilinowski said:

 

You're not at all rude.

 

Catching up on unique commanders is an excellent purchase. Especially the Kuznetsov. It's a very powerful commander. I use it on 11 different ships. Because of its zombie heal, it can even change the outcome of a few battles. I've seen opponents trigger the skill, go dark and using 2 more heals, to come back to the game with 1/3 HP.

Also on mid tier cruisers without a heal, the possibility to heal a bit, is gold, especially in combination with AR.

 

The french Auboyneau commander is pretty powerful, too, especially on french DDs. Since you got the mid-tier coal ships, you must have the Aigle. It's a good DD, and with the unique commander it only gets better.

 I know about heal, just week or 2 ago get Sansoneti,so now collect coal for Napoli. Next after that I planned collect for Kuznetsov (right now I am not very much play Kremlin or Petro last month), so I think he could right now wait. Only I am not sure on which ship is better to put Kuznetsov: Kremlin/Petro-Stalin (if I decide to him)/Nevski (have donskoi and on half road to nevski). Yes, I have Aigle and Siroco and Jaguar - yes, I am suck in dds, especially russian or french. Right now try to understand, connect and learn all I should learn before but I coudn't (reasons above), so apropo dds - just stick to Z- line and T-61 german and british Gallant and Cossack (got cossack B, but I know that I need start lower tiers, so then I get Gallant and start to learn). But - I wanna first of all get better at bbs (long range) and cruisers, for now dds only up to t8 (including z-23 and cossack) and that is my plan. Also on long waiting list are dutch cruisers (stop play on t8 when subs came), Italian (Zara is last that I have) and Pan Asian cruisers which right now I don't even play. 

 

BTW. FIRST THING I THINK THAT NEED FOR STARTERS IN THIS GAME IS (hasn't that anywhere when I start) IS that when you created account and got first t1 ship your first goal that game demand of you is to go here on newcomers section. I would really like if that was something like that 1 and half year before and also simplificated answers just stick to basic things and also basic /techical stuff ingame (on example I still haven't clue how to ping area in minimap, others stuff I learn and few day ago learn also here how to get printscreen and replay, is better with mods and why, or without mods and why, and all that). Basically - game demand of you to came here before you start to play. That would maybe help (I know it would help me in these days and now is helping).

Sry on my english.

[HMS_Kilinowski]

33 minutes ago, WildWind84 said:

 I know about heal, just week or 2 ago get Sansoneti,so now collect coal for Napoli. Next after that I planned collect for Kuznetsov (right now I am not very much play Kremlin or Petro last month), so I think he could right now wait. Only I am not sure on which ship is better to put Kuznetsov: Kremlin/Petro-Stalin (if I decide to him)/Nevski (have donskoi and on half road to nevski). Yes, I have Aigle and Siroco and Jaguar - yes, I am suck in dds, especially russian or french. Right now try to understand, connect and learn all I should learn before but I coudn't (reasons above), so apropo dds - just stick to Z- line and T-61 german and british Gallant and Cossack (got cossack B, but I know that I need start lower tiers, so then I get Gallant and start to learn). But - I wanna first of all get better at bbs (long range) and cruisers, for now dds only up to t8 (including z-23 and cossack) and that is my plan. Also on long waiting list are dutch cruisers (stop play on t8 when subs came), Italian (Zara is last that I have) and Pan Asian cruisers which right now I don't even play. 

 

Sansonetti is a very good commander, since it triggers the talent just on a kill.

Also, since you mention it, the T-61 is an excellent choice to learn DD play. It is very versatile and mid-tiers still see a lot of inexperienced players. The key to DD play is psychology, not intimate game knowledge, which is why DDs are good way to learn PvP. Cossack is a nice DD, but already a bit hard to play, since it's T8. The Gallant is not bad, tho I think the Icarus was the better DD.

The french commander, as I said is a good way to get the edge on french DDs. Especially the Jaguar, that you have currently unlocked is imo a sweet spot in the line. It has the ability to stealth torp. The torps are hard hitting and the Jaguar has the speed to get in and out unseen. The gun arcs are not that brilliant and it struggles if CVs are on your flank, but it has great potential to train ambushes. If you master playing DDs without a smoke and hydro, having smoke and hydro will suddenly become a luxury.

The Kuznetsov commander does not require Kremlin. Yes, I would finalize it on some high tier ship, but the real use is on the other premium ships. I find Kuznetsov not so helpful on battle cruisers. High tiers got heals and the skills don't work in Clan Battles, so I am not getting the benefit out of it that often. If we get a free respec again, I will tailor it to my russian light cruisers/zippos. Then I can use it on:

As you can see, many of them are rather mid tier and don't have a heal. And that is just the cruiser skill set. Imagine how useful this one single commander is with russian BBs, which all pretty much play the same, and with russian premium DDs.

 

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 (on example I still haven't clue how to ping area in minimap,

 

You just double-klick on the square on your mini-map.

 

[Karasu_Browarszky]

One aspect to think about, BTW, when it comes to those high tiers is that what is the current worth of T9 ships, especially premium/special ships because they are now going to 'feature' as bottom tier in against 10's and Superships. Would it be fair to assume that T10 ships are now more cost effective in terms of how much resources you want to use?

 

There's the added bonus tier 10 ships have over the 9's, you get better rewards from collecting snowflakes on tier 10, and the Super Containers that only T10 ships give you when those are available to pick up.

[BrusilovX]

As steel is one of the harder resources to gain I'd suggest hanging onto it until there is a ship that you really want.

 

As others have posted the introduction of SuperShips will have an impact on the effectiveness of a TIX ship.

[WildWind84]

On 4/29/2022 at 9:36 AM, Yuu5Eleven said:

Try to choose based on what you'd enjoy to play more.

Tnx you all for all adices, but this sentence is basically thrue. I am not dd player, so dds are out and right now aren't my primary interest. Meanwhile I stock in endless trying to fast improve my winrate, in very wrong time (subs come 1 month after that) start to play with cruisers and little with dds, right  now struggle with all that mess and stock in all that, trying to struggle against subs. All fun is gone. So this senteces is thruth because this is esential to find fun and enjoy again (even with subs in game I am not sure that it is possible anymore?).

In the other part, you all gave me lots of advices and thank you all for that. Right now my decision is: have around 45 days till coupon, so I will wait and coupon will go to steel ship  (and Napoli will need wait little more). Also I am hoping that I will have in game chance to see and play against Incomparable and Mecklenburg so I could decide.

[WildWind84]

On 4/30/2022 at 1:36 PM, HMS_Kilinowski said:

You just double-klick on the square on your mini-map.

 

 

Tnx for this, finally work (got this advice also before when I played on old laptop, but it isn't work then and now finally work with new laptop ).

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

On 4/29/2022 at 9:55 AM, WildWind84 said:

My joy in game are sec. bbs.

 

Check out the "Mecklenburg" btw.

 

It has been confirmed as a steel ship and it will probably already be out next patch.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

On 5/1/2022 at 3:08 AM, WildWind84 said:

Tnx you all for all adices, but this sentence is basically thrue. I am not dd player, so dds are out and right now aren't my primary interest. Meanwhile I stock in endless trying to fast improve my winrate, in very wrong time (subs come 1 month after that) start to play with cruisers and little with dds, right  now struggle with all that mess and stock in all that, trying to struggle against subs. All fun is gone. So this senteces is thruth because this is esential to find fun and enjoy again (even with subs in game I am not sure that it is possible anymore?).

In the other part, you all gave me lots of advices and thank you all for that. Right now my decision is: have around 45 days till coupon, so I will wait and coupon will go to steel ship  (and Napoli will need wait little more). Also I am hoping that I will have in game chance to see and play against Incomparable and Mecklenburg so I could decide.

 

None of these ships seem very common, or at least I don't see them that often. Napoli is probably the one I have seen around at times.

 

Napoli is also featured on this video here. It's a ship that I might be interested in except I don't really feel comfortable enough with the cruisers.

 

 

 

[WildWind84]

2 minutes ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

 

Check out the "Mecklenburg" btw.

 

It has been confirmed as a steel ship and it will probably already be out next patch.

Yep, I hop I will have chance to fight against him and Incomparable in battle. Reason: On that way I can see his stranght and weaks and could decide. 

[WildWind84]

43 minutes ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

None of these ships seem very common, or at least I don't see them that often. Napoli is probably the one I have seen around at times.

 

Napoli is also featured on this video here. It's a ship that I might be interested in except I don't really feel comfortable enough with the cruisers.

 

 

 

Tnx, already collect coal for Napoli, it will be or without coupon (now coupon will go to steel ship) or Napoli will wait another coupon :)

 

EDIT: Tnx for this because all, especially because of Warspite which I have and before capt. skill rework he was my ship with crazy build (range and sec. build, mix off all) and it was worked great. In that time even got National perma camo for him. Now after capt. skill rework he is just normal bb and obviously I was mistake because I was allways use HE. It is time to correct that :)

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

28 minutes ago, WildWind84 said:

Yep, I hop I will have chance to fight against him and Incomparable in battle. Reason: On that way I can see his stranght and weaks and could decide. 

 

Here are a few strenghts and weaknesses you can already see from the data:

 

Mecklenburg has a small caliber, so it needs people to show broadside (HE is also not good). 

It has good citadel protection and decent secondaries (but less than Preussen).

 

Incomparable can overmatch even 32mm of armor, so it does not need people to show broadside. 

It has a vulnerable citadel though.

 

Both ships have accurate main guns at range and torps for brawling.

Mecklenburg has better nose armor, so it will take less damage when angled. But at the same time it has to show way more side to use all of its guns and it also doesn't have a super-heal like Incomparable.

 

There are of course more differences than these between the two ships.

 

 

[tocqueville8]

3 hours ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

Napoli is also featured on this video here. It's a ship that I might be interested in except I don't really feel comfortable enough with the cruisers.

 

If it's any help, Napoli doesn't play much like a cruiser.

 

I mean...you can get high damage numbers (well over 250k) playing her like a tankier Zao, permafiring BBs and occasionally slapping cruisers with AP. You take the reload, or maybe range module. When I was considering getting her, I saw replays of strong players doing something like that.

 

But to me the selling point is the brawling package: decent guns (they citadel many BBs up close) + good armor + awesome secondaries (60k dmg in one game is fairly common) + smoke + decent torps. Something between a Schlieffen and a Paolo Emilio, and unlike any other cruiser. As you have the tools to disengage (the concealment is also excellent), a failed push won't entirely compromise your game, and you can come back later to try again: that makes Napoli games often very memorable, as you get the chance to make more decisions than in a brawler BB.

 

She's a good pick in Ranked, as well.

[Miscommunication_dept]

3 hours ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

 

Here are a few strenghts and weaknesses you can already see from the data:

 

Mecklenburg has a small caliber, so it needs people to show broadside (HE is also not good). 

It has good citadel protection and decent secondaries (but less than Preussen).

 

Incomparable can overmatch even 32mm of armor, so it does not need people to show broadside. 

It has a vulnerable citadel though.

 

Both ships have accurate main guns at range and torps for brawling.

Mecklenburg has better nose armor, so it will take less damage when angled. But at the same time it has to show way more side to use all of its guns and it also doesn't have a super-heal like Incomparable.

 

There are of course more differences than these between the two ships.

 

 

Mecklenburg does intrigue me as it has high dpm (50% higher than Incomp) and supercruiser accuracy. It's shells also fly quite a lot faster even if they are a 5th the weight!

 

I expect I will go with Incomparable when the coupon resets  but Mecklenburg could be a lot of fun.

[Port_Authority]

On 4/29/2022 at 10:11 AM, Panocek said:

Only issue, she can be seen as boring to play, as any attempt at bravery or "imma do a thing, watch me" sends you back to port gulag.

 

Yes, but for OP to know in detail I would add it's a Yamato type stay-at-the-back and not the Vermont type.

 

With Yamato you want to get closer in, not too close but closer, but you might get sent to gulag under too much focus. So if there is no chance of that, you get in. Stalingrad, same thing, you do try to get into islands where you have manuevering space and ambush opportunity if enemy lines have been broken. With ships like Vermont or Slava there is absolutely nothing to gain by getting closer.

 

I would definitely recommend Stalin as the ship to buy because it brings the power of battleship and utility of cruiser albeit in a giant turd hull that needs to be given special though by the player on positioning in a given situation.

[Miscommunication_dept]

Oh no! 

Mecklenburg has better HE dpm than Montana and better fire starting than Bourgogne or Yoshino with its supercruiser dispersion!

 

We are going to see this ship farming fires  from  range aren't we?

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

55 minutes ago, gopher31 said:

Mecklenburg does intrigue me as it has high dpm (50% higher than Incomp) and supercruiser accuracy. It's shells also fly quite a lot faster even if they are a 5th the weight!

 

Incomparable has the same dispersion. 

The Mecklenburg DPM is high on paper, but in reality it will be much lower as you have no overmatch and weak penetration at range.

 

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I expect I will go with Incomparable when the coupon resets  but Mecklenburg could be a lot of fun.

 

Incomparable is a great ship for Ranked. It gets really strong when there are not too many enemy ships around.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

1 hour ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

 

Incomparable is a great ship for Ranked. It gets really strong when there are not too many enemy ships around.

 

Would you say it's a slightly more difficult a ship to play, though?

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

4 minutes ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

Would you say it's a slightly more difficult a ship to play, though?

 

Incomparable can be difficult at times, because just like Stalingrad it has a vulnerable citadel and takes really long to turn around. So it requires careful positioning.

 

At least it has good concealment though.