First steel ship?

[Panocek]

Just now, HMS_Kilinowski said:

In your case low to mid tiers should be a priority.

Since there are no low to mid tier steel ships, unfortunately no steel ship can be recommended in quiet conscience.

One can however trade steel for coal and there are a lot of really good ships for coal in mid tiers. My personal recommendation would be T6-Anshan and T5-Oktober Rewhatever. Also Hill is a very nice ship to learn DDs. For the long range spammer, Lazo can be fun to play. These are serious options, since one can get about 5 mid tier coal ships for the equivalent of one T10 steel ship.

On other side of the coin, one can get "close enough" tech tree equivalents of Coal midtier ships - Fushun instead Anshan, which also happen to be better ship overall. Hill and Nicholas, with latter having not-insignificant edge in concealment, Lazo and Shchors. Former have tweaked spotting plane, latter have better gun reload and one fish per broadside extra. Duke of York and King George the 5th, former have Hydro and improved AP ricochet angles, but loses on rudder shift and gun reload. "Improved AP" doesn't work so spicy, given gun... deficiencies, yes, that would be mild description of KGV/DoY accuracy and overall weakness of their 356mm AP shells, both in penetration and lack of overmatch.

[Leo_Apollo11]

Hi all,

 

5 hours ago, WildWind84 said:

Hi, if you haven't so far none of steel ship, which would you choose and why? I need to choose between Stalingrad or BOurgogne or Shikishima and haven't clue how to choose, so I would appriciate opinion about that. 

From TX ships I have: Ohio (sec. build), GK (sec. build), Preussen (sec. build), Hindy, Yoshino, Salem (my cursed ship), Yamato, Montana, Kremlin, Petro, Z-52 (but I am NOT dd player, just fxp him from Z-23 that I can go to RB for Ohio. DDs still try to learn in lower tiers, so I don't play t9 or TX with dds). 

 

Tnx in advance for any advice 

 

I bought my "Steel" ships in December when new 25% OFF coupon arrived:

1. Stalingrad
2. Bourgogne
3. FDR

Now I have enough steel to buy them twice a year (again in June and in December when 25% OFF coupon become available)...

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"

[Karasu_Browarszky]

15 minutes ago, HMS_Kilinowski said:

In your case low to mid tiers should be a priority.

Since there are no low to mid tier steel ships, unfortunately no steel ship can be recommended in quiet conscience.

One can however trade steel for coal and there are a lot of really good ships for coal in mid tiers. My personal recommendation would be T6-Anshan and T5-Oktober Rewhatever. Also Hill is a very nice ship to learn DDs. For the long range spammer, Lazo can be fun to play. These are serious options, since one can get about 5 mid tier coal ships for the equivalent of one T10 steel ship.

Not to mention the fact that gameplay in general is better on the mid tiers than on the high tiers.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

4 minutes ago, Panocek said:

On other side of the coin, one can get "close enough" tech tree equivalents of Coal midtier ships - Fushun instead Anshan, which also happen to be better ship overall. Hill and Nicholas, with latter having not-insignificant edge in concealment, Lazo and Shchors. Former have tweaked spotting plane, latter have better gun reload and one fish per broadside extra. Duke of York and King George the 5th, former have Hydro and improved AP ricochet angles, but loses on rudder shift and gun reload. "Improved AP" doesn't work so spicy, given gun... deficiencies, yes, that would be mild description of KGV/DoY accuracy and overall weakness of their 356mm AP shells, both in penetration and lack of overmatch.

 

2 minutes ago, Leo_Apollo11 said:

Hi all,

 

 

I bought my "Steel" ships in December when new 25% OFF coupon arrived:

1. Stalingrad
2. Bourgogne

Now I have enough steel to buy them twice a year (again in June and in December when 25% OFF coupon become available)...

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"

 

Both good points, too.

[ItsEyeJasper]

5 hours ago, WildWind84 said:

Hi, if you haven't so far none of steel ship, which would you choose and why? I need to choose between Stalingrad or BOurgogne or Shikishima and haven't clue how to choose, so I would appriciate opinion about that. 

From TX ships I have: Ohio (sec. build), GK (sec. build), Preussen (sec. build), Hindy, Yoshino, Salem (my cursed ship), Yamato, Montana, Kremlin, Petro, Z-52 (but I am NOT dd player, just fxp him from Z-23 that I can go to RB for Ohio. DDs still try to learn in lower tiers, so I don't play t9 or TX with dds). 

 

Tnx in advance for any advice 

Personally you cant go wrong with Bourgogne or Stalingrad, These ships are kind of like a battle ship in its first steps to evolving into a Supercruiser or A Cruiser evolving into a Light Battleship.

 

They are both Amazing, and my pick would be determined on what i play more of as a class. For me that is Stalingrad. it is my 2nd / 3rd favorite Ship. 

 

The idea of Shikishima  is that it sits in my mind as a slightly worse Yamato due to less shells downrange even though it can hit just as hard if not harder and with the introduction of Satsuma i can not see why you would pick her.

 

[HMS_Kilinowski]

20 minutes ago, Panocek said:

On other side of the coin, one can get "close enough" tech tree equivalents of Coal midtier ships - Fushun instead Anshan, which also happen to be better ship overall. Hill and Nicholas, with latter having not-insignificant edge in concealment, Lazo and Shchors. Former have tweaked spotting plane, latter have better gun reload and one fish per broadside extra. Duke of York and King George the 5th, former have Hydro and improved AP ricochet angles, but loses on rudder shift and gun reload. "Improved AP" doesn't work so spicy, given gun... deficiencies, yes, that would be mild description of KGV/DoY accuracy and overall weakness of their 356mm AP shells, both in penetration and lack of overmatch.

 

Those silver ships need a dedicated commander. I got more than 10k battles by now and I'm a long way off having highly trained commanders lying around for T6-tech-tree-ships.

 

My Lazo commander is my unique Kuznetsov commander with 21 pts, trained for Kremlin. He has the last resort heal on top of more skills.

 

Anshan now can take a commander from the PA-CL line and doesn't need a compromise build from the PA tech tree, where your DD-commanders are mostly for variants of US and RN close range gunboats. Anshan has more skills due to a higher trained commander and thus out-DPMs Fushun. It also has a baked-in 10% FXP bonus.

 

Hill is pretty much the same. Put your 21 pts Gearing-commander on her, probably Halsey or the one whose name we don't mention anymore.

 

And Oktober just again takes the unique Kremlin commander.

 

For inexperienced players a couple of good mid-tier captain trainers is exactly what they need to stay motivated in mid-tier rather than rushing up the tech-tree and getting owned.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

8 minutes ago, HMS_Kilinowski said:

 

Those silver ships need a dedicated commander. I got more than 10k battles by now and I'm a long way off having highly trained commanders lying around for T6-tech-tree-ships.

 

My Lazo commander is my unique Kuznetsov commander with 21 pts, trained for Kremlin. He has the last resort heal on top of more skills.

 

Anshan now can take a commander from the PA-CL line and doesn't need a compromise build from the PA tech tree, where your DD-commanders are mostly for variants of US and RN close range gunboats. Anshan has more skills due to a higher trained commander and thus out-DPMs Fushun. It also has a baked-in 10% FXP bonus.

 

Hill is pretty much the same. Put your 21 pts Gearing-commander on her, probably Halsey or the one whose name we don't mention anymore.

 

And Oktober just again takes the unique Kremlin commander.

 

For inexperienced players a couple of good mid-tier captain trainers is exactly what they need to stay motivated in mid-tier rather than rushing up the tech-tree and getting owned.

 

Since every captain can now have 1 build for each class, there is at least the benefit of being able to make better use of when it comes to those premiums/nerfiums. If you want to be economical in terms of getting those premium/resource ships, you have to try to think ahead a little bit and maybe only get one solid ship per class for training your captains. If you really plan ahead, you also focus on maybe just couple of nations that give you best value in terms of time and resources.

[Panocek]

25 minutes ago, HMS_Kilinowski said:

 

Those silver ships need a dedicated commander. I got more than 10k battles by now and I'm a long way off having highly trained commanders lying around for T6-tech-tree-ships.

 

My Lazo commander is my unique Kuznetsov commander with 21 pts trained for Kremlin. He has the last resort heal on top of more skills.

 

Anshan now can take a commancer from the PA-CL line and doesn't need a compromise build from the PA tech tree, where your DD-commanders are mostly for variants of US and RN close range gunboats. Anshan has more skills due to a higher trained commander and thus out-DPMs Fushun. It also has a baked-in 10% FXP bonus.

 

Hill is pretty much the same. Put your 21 pts Gearing-commander on her, probably Halsey or the one whose name we don't mention anymore.

 

And Oktober just again takes the unique Kremlin commander.

 

For inexperienced players a couple of good mid-tier captain trainers is exactly what they need to stay motivated in mid-tier rather than rushing up the tech-tree and getting owned.

10 pointer captains just to get Concealment is what is actually needed, anything extra is just "nice to have". Sure, you can flex red flare on Okt.Rev/Kirov, but that requires having Kuznetsov in first place.

 

Given castration of turret traverse skill, whether you have or don't have it on slow turning guns like Anshan/Fushun is of little consequence, you won't keep them on target even if try. In return, Fushun has much more versatile smokes than Anshan, slightly better concealment also doesn't hurt. DW torps is acquired taste, but they do work. Short of usual mandatory or information skills (IFA, PT, RL, if you can make use of them to begin with), I find remarkably difficult to get myself into position where "if only I had X skill, I'd win this", with most common case of that being Superintendent on destroyers and annoyingly clingy CV player.

 

On all "keeper" ships I have 10 pointers or barely above that and I don't see real need to for more.

 

13 minutes ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

If you really plan ahead, you also focus on maybe just couple of nations that give you best value in terms of time and resources.

Basically that. Having premium boats of all nations to "train" them is all well and good, but focusing on one "main" nation, with preferably legendary commander and bunch of 21pointers as well armada of premiums would be overall best way to farm captain exp to be used for retraining or raising new ones, instead having bazzilion of 14-18 pointers spread out everywhere, with no 21pointer in sight to get exp for respecs

[Leo_Apollo11]

Hi all,

 

34 minutes ago, Leo_Apollo11 said:

I bought my "Steel" ships in December when new 25% OFF coupon arrived:

1. Stalingrad
2. Bourgogne
3. FDR

Now I have enough steel to buy them twice a year (again in June and in December when 25% OFF coupon become available)...

 

My 4th and 5th "Steel" buys will most likely be:

• Incomparable
• Shikishima

I had some hopes for the new incoming Soviet cruiser Sevastopol but all reports thus far were not good at all...

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"

[WildWind84]

2 hours ago, HMS_Kilinowski said:

In your case low to mid tiers should be a priority.

Since there are no low to mid tier steel ships, unfortunately no steel ship can be recommended in quiet conscience.

One can however trade steel for coal and there are a lot of really good ships for coal in mid tiers. My personal recommendation would be T6-Anshan and T5-Oktober Rewhatever. Also Hill is a very nice ship to learn DDs. For the long range spammer, Lazo can be fun to play. These are serious options, since one can get about 5 mid tier coal ships for the equivalent of one T10 steel ship.

 

Have Hill, Anshan, Lazo, have actually all coal ships for coal from t2-t7 exept Flint. Yep, Lazo is fun to play, I know about Anshan FXP but still I think dds for now isn't my "piece of cake" yet. Captains check, yes I have from 17-19 stars, so it woudn't be problem. Inexpirienced - depends how you are loking (from which side), but generaly -  I am in this game around 1 and half year, most comfortable feel in T8. In TX depends which ship I play. Also TT lines are (not dds) between t8-t10 exept italian cruisers and pan asian cruisers (no, I wasn't fxp lines exept german dds line from t8 to tx to get Ohio). Don't be confused with my WR%, for that there was reason: had old and very weak laptop, played this game more than year on literaly 4-10 fps (unplayable) on very low graphic settings and without mods. Last month I got new latop, isn't gaming or something like that, but I can normal play on 20-30 fps and high graphic settings and without mods. So, I trying improved myself now. Isn't easy, and I also have to learn, and also that mess be complete - there are also subs with which I have huge problems. But - in 1 month from 43% WR I came to little over 45% and NO - behind me there isn't clan which teach me what I don't know or something like that. Clan in which I am right now is total inactive, few of us still stay because of bonuses. 

 

EDIT: Sry if all this sounds rude or something, but I really wasn't mean to be something like that. 

 

Btw. Apropo special commanders - yes, have them few, also few seasoned I only missing Kutuzov, Dunkirk and french special commander (don't count here pan-asian or european or netherlands specials if they exist in armory - didn't check).

[tocqueville8]

1 hour ago, albin322 said:

i curently sit on 81,000 steel

 

[NewHorizons_1]

25 minutes ago, tocqueville8 said:

 

He's a wise man who is hoarding is steel ready for when WG release T11 steel ships.

[Verblonde]

8 hours ago, WildWind84 said:

any advice 

Steel is about the hardest resource to get hold of, so you ideally want to use a coupon for every purchase (unless you're a Clans/Ranked deity with more steel than you can shake a stick at). For similar reasons, it's a good idea to pick something that you *know* you'll get plenty of use from. Oh, and you generally never want to convert steel to coal - that's almost always a waste (possibly unless you have absolutely zero prospect of acquiring more steel).

 

As to which specific ships, I'd follow the advice already given by experienced/wise players. FWIW I have the following steel ships:

• Flint/Black; both of these don't really count any more, as they're available/about to be available for coal.
• Ragnar: kind of like a small cruiser; no torps, but can be fearsome if your not-that-sneaky DD kung fu is strong.
• Bourgogne: because if you must play BBs, play *fast* ones!

Depending on what gets released in the meantime, my next steel ship will probably be one of Plymouth or Austin, or maybe Inconceivable; that said, I'd rather an interesting DD but I'm not aware of any in the pipeline...

[Karasu_Browarszky]

36 minutes ago, Verblonde said:

• Bourgogne: because if you must play BBs, play *fast* ones!

 

 

But what if you want to go ahead?

[Miscommunication_dept]

3 hours ago, Leo_Apollo11 said:

Hi all,

 

 

My 4th and 5th "Steel" buys will most likely be:

• Incomparable
• Shikishima

I had some hopes for the new incoming Soviet cruiser Sevastopol but all reports thus far were not good at all...

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"

Oh, I heard nothing but good things.

I don't think we'll see it for a while anyway
Incomp will probably be my next steel ship also.

[Yedwy]

10 hours ago, WildWind84 said:

Hi, if you haven't so far none of steel ship, which would you choose and why?

Stalingrad, no question... Why? Satsuma->Shikishima, Patrie->Burgogne... ?->Stalin?

[Anthoniusii]

To get a steel ship was a delima for me for long time. I could have one after the last Clan Wars season but on the other hand i saw an other oportunity and othr prospective if you wish.

With 30000 steel i bought 3 ALL STELL tier 10 premium camos for 3 of my tier 10 ships. That brought me more credits and more premium captain exp ... In my point of view 30000 steel saved me 15000 doublons that i had to buy with real money i do not have. the delima still exists when with my Monatan i come across with an Ohio but still....

[tocqueville8]

53 minutes ago, Anthoniusii said:

To get a steel ship was a delima for me for long time. I could have one after the last Clan Wars season but on the other hand i saw an other oportunity and othr prospective if you wish.

With 30000 steel i bought 3 ALL STELL tier 10 premium camos for 3 of my tier 10 ships. That brought me more credits and more premium captain exp ... In my point of view 30000 steel saved me 15000 doublons that i had to buy with real money i do not have. the delima still exists when with my Monatan i come across with an Ohio but still....

 

 

You don't really need real money to get dubs: you get them from Ranked.

 

If you just go for wins in Gold, you need 10 Sprints to get 1 permacamo with steel, but only 7 to get one with dubs.

 

Granted, you could use the dubs to get something else (Agincourt for me, recently), but you could also use the steel to get something else...

[tocqueville8]

5 hours ago, ItsEyeJasper said:

The idea of Shikishima  is that it sits in my mind as a slightly worse Yamato due to less shells downrange even though it can hit just as hard if not harder and with the introduction of Satsuma i can not see why you would pick her.

 

 

I too wouldn't recommend the Shiki these days, but she has a lot going for her over the Yammy: slightly better rudder, much better secondaries, much better AA, better accuracy if the Yammy lacks the LU (otherwise same accuracy, but better DPM).

 

The Yammy has better alpha, which is important for a BB, but her shells are also slower, so she has to give more lead.

 

By now, the Shiki is my 4th most-played ship, 3rd by XP earned.

63% solo WR to the Yammy's 54%, and that's despite trying secondaries with IFHE, AA builds, etc.

[WildWind84]

3 hours ago, Anthoniusii said:

To get a steel ship was a delima for me for long time. I could have one after the last Clan Wars season but on the other hand i saw an other oportunity and othr prospective if you wish.

With 30000 steel i bought 3 ALL STELL tier 10 premium camos for 3 of my tier 10 ships. That brought me more credits and more premium captain exp ... In my point of view 30000 steel saved me 15000 doublons that i had to buy with real money i do not have. the delima still exists when with my Monatan i come across with an Ohio but still....

Also have on GK steel perma camo, but with economic changes I am not sure how it will be. So, because of that reason - no, that option is out for me for now.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

2 hours ago, tocqueville8 said:

 

I too wouldn't recommend the Shiki these days, but she has a lot going for her over the Yammy: slightly better rudder, much better secondaries, much better AA, better accuracy if the Yammy lacks the LU (otherwise same accuracy, but better DPM).

 

The Yammy has better alpha, which is important for a BB, but her shells are also slower, so she has to give more lead.

 

By now, the Shiki is my 4th most-played ship, 3rd by XP earned.

63% solo WR to the Yammy's 54%, and that's despite trying secondaries with IFHE, AA builds, etc.

 

Have you had a chance to play the Satsuma? How would it stack up against the Shikishima in terms of performance? I'm not seriously considering either one of them, myself, but if I were, I'd probably rather spend the credits than the steel, especially since for me steel is hard to come by.

[WildWind84]

Tnx you all guys, I really apriciate all advices that you all provide me. I just put topic for steel ship, but I have got plenty very usefull advices about game, comanders, ships, just about everything. I am really very very gratefull for all and ty everyone of you for all :) You all show me that isn't shame ask here everything and that there are people who actually wish help. 

 

 

[tocqueville8]

2 hours ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

Have you had a chance to play the Satsuma? How would it stack up against the Shikishima in terms of performance? I'm not seriously considering either one of them, myself, but if I were, I'd probably rather spend the credits than the steel, especially since for me steel is hard to come by.

 

1) Only in the superships mode a while back.

2) Pretty well  from what I remember.

3) That's one of the reasons I wouldn't recommend a Shikishima these days.

[Leo_Apollo11]

Hi all,

 

15 hours ago, gopher31 said:

Oh, I heard nothing but good things.

I don't think we'll see it for a while anyway
Incomp will probably be my next steel ship also.

 

 

We shall see... the sources I heard said not very good...

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"

[HMS_Kilinowski]

18 hours ago, WildWind84 said:

EDIT: Sry if all this sounds rude or something, but I really wasn't mean to be something like that. 

 

Btw. Apropo special commanders - yes, have them few, also few seasoned I only missing Kutuzov, Dunkirk and french special commander (don't count here pan-asian or european or netherlands specials if they exist in armory - didn't check).

 

You're not at all rude.

 

Catching up on unique commanders is an excellent purchase. Especially the Kuznetsov. It's a very powerful commander. I use it on 11 different ships. Because of its zombie heal, it can even change the outcome of a few battles. I've seen opponents trigger the skill, go dark and using 2 more heals, to come back to the game with 1/3 HP.

Also on mid tier cruisers without a heal, the possibility to heal a bit, is gold, especially in combination with AR.

 

The french Auboyneau commander is pretty powerful, too, especially on french DDs. Since you got the mid-tier coal ships, you must have the Aigle. It's a good DD, and with the unique commander it only gets better.