Maya smells, and her Mum dresses her funny...?

[Karasu_Browarszky]

12 hours ago, lafeel said:

Colour me unsurprised. Dropping her down a tier does not make up for losing a fifth of her main battery firepower..

 

Not to mention the loss of the concealment module...

[Karasu_Browarszky]

1 hour ago, Panocek said:

AFAIK every major Japanese dockyard had their own supply of "grey paint", which makes topic of "which grey for IJN" about as broad as "what is US Army olive drab" or "what is russian 4BO"

 

1 hour ago, HARBINGER_OF_SKULLS said:

Well, at least there are fewer than 50 shades of grey because usually only the major naval arsenals did paintjobs to capital ships (Kure, Maizuru, Yokosuka, Sasebo).

 

Found a blog that actually shows some samples of the different shades.

 

https://wetherhorn.wordpress.com/home/about/about-ship-camouflage/ship-camouflage-in-ww-ii-2/japanese-ww-ii-camouflage/

[HARBINGER_OF_SKULLS]

2 minutes ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

Found a blog that actually shows some samples of the different shades.

 

https://wetherhorn.wordpress.com/home/about/about-ship-camouflage/ship-camouflage-in-ww-ii-2/japanese-ww-ii-camouflage/

It's a topic which is popular amongst modellers who focus on IJN vessels, so you will regularly read terms like "Kure grey" or "Sasebo grey" which are also used by companies like Tamiya.

[Panocek]

13 minutes ago, HARBINGER_OF_SKULLS said:

It's a topic which is popular amongst modellers who focus on IJN vessels, so you will regularly read terms like "Kure grey" or "Sasebo grey" which are also used by companies like Tamiya.

Same for figuring out "olive drab" or "russian green". And tbh, unless you can go back in time and make objective measurements of the paint + painted objects, I don't think you can achieve "100% correct" result there.

[Siagor]

4 minutes ago, Panocek said:

Same for figuring out "olive drab" or "russian green". And tbh, unless you can go back in time and make objective measurements of the paint + painted objects, I don't think you can achieve "100% correct" result there.

Re this "olive drab", normally a US cammo paint:

 

Back in the day I was in 1/35 tank kits, and I've read what certain US modeler, an ex rl tanker, wrote: "I was stationed in Germany in the '60's, one day I was at the gate when an exercise started and all the tanks drove past me - first time I saw them parading like that - and none had the same shade of olive drab. They went from almost brown to almost full green (while all originally painted 'olive drab' from the cans)."

[Panocek]

1 minute ago, Siagor said:

Re this "olive drab", normally a US cammo paint:

 

Back in the day I was in 1/35 tank kits, and I've read what certain US modeler, an ex rl tanker, wrote: "I was stationed in Germany in the '60's, one day I was at the gate when an exercise started and all the tanks drove past me - first time I saw them parading like that - and none had the same shade of olive drab. They went from almost brown to almost full green (while all originally painted 'olive drab' from the cans)."

Exactly. Slight differences in additives, pigments, base, how paint aged in the sun/rain etc.

 

Or what is correct shade of "russian green"?

Pick the one you like

 

Granted, its a tank graveyard, but shows differences in paints and how they age.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

I don't think there's any army or navy, past or present that has consistently been able to maintain the exact same shades when it comes to either paint or fabric color schemes.

[HARBINGER_OF_SKULLS]

40 minutes ago, Panocek said:

"russian green".

"Soot and rust" appears to be the seasonal camo scheme. 

[HARBINGER_OF_SKULLS]

23 minutes ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

I don't think there's any army or navy, past or present that has consistently been able to maintain the exact same shades when it comes to either paint or fabric color schemes.

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Destroyer_White

[FooFaFie]

Yesterday on Twitch Statsbloke did 5 citadels on 1 ship in 1 salvo with the Maya. 

[Viridem]

4 hours ago, HARBINGER_OF_SKULLS said:

According to "Imperial Japanese Navy World War II Ship Colors" by Snyder & Short Enterprises, the actual color was the Yokosuka Arsenal's variation of IJN Grey.

Damn, Yokosuka?

Look at the screenshots, they give us a choice between the Kure and Sasebo colours!

You had one job, WG.

(I'm joking, of course.)

 

It's just nice to see that, after all these years, they finally add a historically accurate camo for the Japanese ships.

They couldn't even make Myoukou right...

 

Not that it matters much, I use the historical camo mod.

[HARBINGER_OF_SKULLS]

33 minutes ago, Viridem said:

Damn, Yokosuka?

Yes. Maya was built at Kobe and assigned to the Yokosuka Naval District, where she was also rebuilt lateron.

[lafeel]

5 hours ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

Not to mention the loss of the concealment module...

Not to mention that half second slower reload  compared with Atago (which only gets worse if we compare it with Myoko..)

[SolanumTuberosumRex]

I'm a big fan of Atago, but I'm gonna give this one a major pass. She looks so bad compared to Atago. More than can be explained by only one lower tier.

[Verblonde]

Should anyone feel the urge to pick up Maya, and wants the optional pretty dress for her - you can get the latter via the cammo tab (at least at time of writing), so avoiding having to buy one of the bloat-filled bundles.

[invicta2012]

I'll be interested to know if anyone does buy the ship and what they think of her, though. It's often the case that people can have fun with so called "bad" ships, there are only a few which turn out to be hopeless (I'm looking at YOU, Poltava and Florida...)

[Yedwy]

17 minutes ago, invicta2012 said:

I'll be interested to know if anyone does buy the ship and what they think of her, though. It's often the case that people can have fun with so called "bad" ships, there are only a few which turn out to be hopeless (I'm looking at YOU, Poltava and Florida...)

She is a normal IJN CA not much else needed to be said, she can go with stealth build or lighthouse build if one feels brave

[Verblonde]

14 minutes ago, invicta2012 said:

I'll be interested to know if anyone does buy the ship and what they think of her, though. It's often the case that people can have fun with so called "bad" ships, there are only a few which turn out to be hopeless (I'm looking at YOU, Poltava and Florida...)

Well, two Coop games in, and she seems rather fun; the torps are pretty ferocious (I was running a torp build captain to start with, albeit semi-accidentally - he was the first 21 pointer that came to hand) - I think she'll be an excellent pick for the PvE crowd. The reviews are right about the main guns - the reload is painful; MBRB is worthwhile when available, but I think I'd prefer a normal reload and no booster (although it does make the thing feel different to most contemporaries).

 

I'm not much cop with cruisers against real people, but I suspect the guns will make her pretty painful in PvP (although the torps will ruin anyone's day, if you can get close enough to use them); besides that, T7 MM...! You'll want someone competent to opine on PvP though.

 

Oh yes, I assumed that *everyone* must know by now, but apparently not (based on the outrage on the 'nerfs' thread):

 

 

[invicta2012]

4 minutes ago, Verblonde said:

Well, two Coop games in, and she seems rather fun; the torps are pretty ferocious (I was running a torp build captain to start with, albeit semi-accidentally - he was the first 21 pointer that came to hand) - I think she'll be an excellent pick for the PvE crowd.

I think she would be - I'm saying that looking at a port with Myoko, ARP Myoko, Tone, Atago B and Mogami in it! The IJN cruisers have always had lots to recommend them for PVE. My problem is just that I have these and a lot of excellent German cruisers too in the same ballpark (Weimar, Yorck, Hipper, Mainz), as well Algerie, Gorizia, Indianapolis and New Orleans, so I'm wondering if I've got all the CA bases covered. Or maybe another one wouldn't hurt....

[Verblonde]

7 minutes ago, invicta2012 said:

I'm wondering if I've got all the CA bases covered. Or maybe another one wouldn't hurt...

Of course we don't need another premium, but - c'mon - she's pretty, especially in the fancy dress:

 

 

(Yes, I know - I'm a disgrace...)

[SuperDare83]

I was looking forward to this as I love the Atago, but I'm massively put off by the shocking 16.5 s reload and short firing range of the torps.  I'll pass.  Shame as I'd have brought her if she hadn't been nerfed so hard, hope WG listens to this feedback

[Aragathor]

1 hour ago, invicta2012 said:

I'll be interested to know if anyone does buy the ship and what they think of her, though. It's often the case that people can have fun with so called "bad" ships, there are only a few which turn out to be hopeless (I'm looking at YOU, Poltava and Florida...)

My Poltava takes offense at this label. 

[Verblonde]

35 minutes ago, SuperDare83 said:

short firing range of the torps

Whilst I wouldn't disagree with the notion that Maya probably isn't much good, the short range of the torps is partly mitigated by their speed: with captain skills (but not upgrade on the ship), mine are showing as going at 80 kts - Atago's go at 65 kts with the same build.

 

Maya is still all kinds of non-essential, but she does have some merit (especially for PvE as previously mentioned).

[Aragathor]

7 minutes ago, Verblonde said:

Maya is still all kinds of non-essential, but she does have some merit

I think the issue with Maya in general is that the people look at her offense while not noticing the defense.

Assuming I would have her and put my Zao cap on her, that's 42.350 HP with 3 heals. And IJN cruisers aren't that weakly armored at mid tier.

[triumphgt6]

I have just been given one of these by one of our fellow forumites - took it out for a run in Co-Op and not bad - a T7 Takao with not quite such good concealment but quite fun. And a most kind present!