Super Ships = Super Slap in the face

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1 hour ago, albin322 said:

do what you want i just feelt the need to point it out!

but nobody asked you to do so ...

 

keep your feelings inside forever please , and do not point out anything ever .

[MixuS]

Tier 9 should never face superships.

[Nibenay78]

5 minutes ago, MixuS said:

Tier 9 should never face superships.

But then they would not see the awesomeness when more experienced players (with loads of silver and dont care..) kick arse, and want to buy it themselves with premium and dubloons.

[Hirohito]

16 hours ago, RedRonie said:

Before starting this post, i would like to point out that this is my own opinion based on my game experience. I can understand you might have a different opinion and i respect that. 

 

Before going in to details, i think it is best to introduce myself as a player. 

I started playing WoWs in November 2016. Since then i have created 2 clans (which im still a part of).

I have played over 11.500 radom battles and add a few thousand ranked, clan, special mode and co-op battles (co-op yeah i know)

In all of those years i have grinded a lot of Free XP, Coal, Steel and Research Points to purchase some amazing Tier 9 and 10 ships.

 

Here are all of those ships and there costs listed below

 

Not in the list is the Benham, which had a crazy grind. Full details about the grind here

 

Now as you can see i have grinded a lot in the last 5+ years and there are many favorites here. I really enjoy playing them. 

 

With update 0.11.3 Wargaming has released Super Ships (they refuse to call them Tier 11) as an extention on several tech tree lines. More details here

All these Super Ships will be sold for credits and will have new mechanics added to the game. As for match making, super ships will only be matched up against other super ships, tier 10 and tier 9 ships.

Which means that any of the ships mentioned above can face these super ships in battle. This already feels wrong to me, because now they face much stronger, much easier to play and much cheaper to aquire super ships.

But the biggest slap in the face to me is that all the effort i have put in to getting all of these ships mentioned above, is being countered by these super ships.

 

Example 1: You played dozens of ranked and clan battles to grind enough steel to buy the Shikishima. But now they have just added Satsuma. 

Example 2: You have grinded enough coal to finally collect the Kurfurst. But now the have added Hannover.

 

I mean, what is the point now of collecting Steel, coal and RP for these T9/10 ships if you have Super Ships anyway. And not only that, gameplay on T9/10/11, is completly messed up because of these Super Ships and their new mechanics.

 

To get an anwser about this, i asked this question on the offical stream:

This is the anwser i got: Click here

 

I must agree he has a fair point. But when i started grinding all of that Free XP, Coal, Steel and RP over 5 years ago, i was under the impression that i would only be facing T10 ships max. And i certainly did not purchase them just to own them.

 

Anyway, it looks like we are stuck with these Super Ships and it also seems that they are planning to add more of them. If you like them, enjoy. If you dont like them, sorry but it is what it is. I personally will no longer play T9/10/11 battles. Only T8 or below for my sanity and all of these ships mentioned above will be collecting dust in my port. And i havent even mentoined my favorite T9/10 tech tree ships.......................

 

This is the reason I've now quit as well.

All my T10s were made more or less obsolete over night, and I cannot be bothered to get a new top tier collection of T11s.

WG screwed this one up royally, at least for some of us.

[albin322]

46 minutes ago, BlueMerry said:

but nobody asked you to do so ...

 

keep your feelings inside forever please , and do not point out anything ever .

i am free to write what i want as long as it is within the rules of this forum so yea il keep doing that ! enjoy

[SV_Kompresor]

47 minutes ago, MixuS said:

Tier 9 should never face superships.

Why? So you can get to stomp on tier 7 with overpowered freemiums more often?

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6 minutes ago, albin322 said:

i am free to write what i want as long as it is within the rules of this forum so yea il keep doing that ! enjoy

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[SuperDare83]

17 hours ago, BlueMerry said:

also sadly there is super cvs .. sigh .

this

[Sir_Sinksalot]

Ya I think it's particularly unfair on those who invested a lot of time and effort(and suffered a lot of utterly useless counter productive teams) playing ranked battles and any associated battle mode that rewarded steel in order to obtain some of these once top tier steel ships just to have them reduced from top dog to a second tier side-show as they now play underdog to these T11 ships.

 

Sure, there'll probably still be game modes where T10 will be top tier like a T10 only offering of ranked battles or that other game mode we had for a while featuring T9 and T10 ships only, but that's not a gimme and either way the odd battle mode is hardly a argument point to justify the grinding involved to obtain a ship that's no longer top dog and no longer offering anything unique, when instead you can just freeXP or grind a superior T11 ships instead requiring no steel or coal needed at all, just time, xp and credits. 

 

Perhaps T10 steel/coal ships can have their economics tweaked so that T10 becomes the new T9 in regards the go-to tier for credit grinding. At least that might give these now heavily depreciated and arguably pointless T10 ships a reason to even care about them. If you could play them and make a lot of credits with them, at least that would be a good reason to invest the time to get steel and coal for them though I suspect coal more so than steel since steel is still harder to obtain and would need a more genuinely useful offering than just credit grinding. In other words, since there's T11 ships in this game there also needs to be T11 steel ships to accompany them and restore that top dog status and reason to bother grinding steel.  

[albin322]

1 hour ago, BlueMerry said:

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[MixuS]

2 hours ago, SV_Kompresor said:

Why? So you can get to stomp on tier 7 with overpowered freemiums more often?

Superships do nothing to tier9 vs tier7 balance, just maybe reduce the number of times tier7 meets tier9. Also remember that you have to meet superships in such tier9 powerhouses as Neptune and Lion.

[SV_Kompresor]

2 minutes ago, MixuS said:

Super ships do nothing to tier9 vs tier7 balance, just maybe reduce the number of times tier7 meets tier9.

Precisely that. It's time for the most privileged tier to get beaten around a bit.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

19 hours ago, RedRonie said:

I mean, what is the point now of collecting Steel, coal and RP for these T9/10 ships if you have Super Ships anyway. And not only that, gameplay on T9/10/11, is completly messed up because of these Super Ships and their new mechanics. 

It's exactly the same as in any other game that gets new content / higher tier content over time.

 

World of Warcraft makes you grind end game gear which will be the "best in slot" until the next expansion or raid update rolls in. All of a sudden your "Best in slot" is worse than upcoming leveling gear or new basic dungeon gear.

It's normal in the progression of these games. Nothing stays on top of the food chain forever.

[Verblonde]

3 hours ago, Nibenay78 said:

kick arse

Nice to see the correct spelling. I salute you!

 

[Hirohito]

1 hour ago, Yuu5Eleven said:

It's exactly the same as in any other game that gets new content / higher tier content over time.

 

World of Warcraft makes you grind end game gear which will be the "best in slot" until the next expansion or raid update rolls in. All of a sudden your "Best in slot" is worse than upcoming leveling gear or new basic dungeon gear.

It's normal in the progression of these games. Nothing stays on top of the food chain forever.

You cant really compare those two like that, as they are fundamentally different games.

Everyone knows that the next expansion in wow will make all your gear obsolete as you grind up to the new level cap.

The game is designed around that fact, and it comes as no surprise.

And as such, you can take that into consideration before you decide to grind out very specific pieces of gear, as it might not be worth it if you have bad RNG and dont get it to drop before the next patch or expansion.

 

In this game however, the game has always been centered around T10 as the top tier. 

This means that there is, and always has been, an expectation and underlying assumption that it will also remain as the top tier.

And this feeds into balance as well - with T10 being the top tier, the game needs to be somewhat balanced in order to not totally power creep older tier 10s (this has somewhat happened, as is natural, but not to the game extent of wow where this power creeping design is fundamentally intended).

 

With T11 being introduced however, this game suddenly completely power creeps all existing ships, throwing intra T10-balance out of the window as well.

Whether Montana is roughly as balanced as Shikishima is now irrelevant, because T11 is now here, and the Satsuma (or future T11s) are outright better than both.

And if you want to remain competitive, you better start getting T11s ASAP or be left with a full collection of inferior boats.

 

If you really want to compare the two games, the following analogy would be fitting:

Blizzard has for 7 years now ran the vanilla wow version of the game, level 60 being the highest level.

They have made different tier sets for players at 60, but leaving tier sets roughly balanced, even as new patches release new gear.

Tier 1 for instance has always been somewhat viable for endgame content, be it pve or pvp.

Thus players have been investing tons og hours clearing different raids or getting to rank14, because they wanted the different sets for different situations, even if the actual power differences are rather small or insignificant.

However, after 7 years of players grinding out all different sets for their characters at level 60, Blizzard now suddenly introduces TBC, raises the level cap from 60 to 70 and introduces new level 70 sets that completely power creeps all gear at 60.

Players are left blindsided, as all their gear is now obsolete compared to the level 70 gear.

 

Sounds farfetched?

It does, because the two are fundamentally different games.

Players in wow have always known that all their gear will be power creeped between patches and especially between expansions.

The introduction of T11 was however not something that was clearly expected in this game, and thus some players (like yours truly) feel majorly cheated after investing years into the old, system where T10 was supposed to be the top tier.

[tadaMonika]

2 hours ago, Yuu5Eleven said:

It's exactly the same as in any other game that gets new content / higher tier content over time.

 

World of Warcraft makes you grind end game gear which will be the "best in slot" until the next expansion or raid update rolls in. All of a sudden your "Best in slot" is worse than upcoming leveling gear or new basic dungeon gear.

It's normal in the progression of these games. Nothing stays on top of the food chain forever.

I'm pretty sure that the comparison with World of Warcraft is not really sound. WoW players know for certain that they have to regrind stuff in new content drops, hell, back in the day that was part of the appeal. In these wargaming titles we had a Tier system for YEARS unchanged from 1-10 in WoT and WoWs and WoWPs.

In no game has that Tier system ever been changed or expanded to higher Tiers. I'd say it's almost fraud at this point that WG is actually selling these "top-Tier vehicles" aka Tier 10's for cash and then just pull this crap.

No, your argumentation is definitely flawed buddy

[Hades_warrior]

Got reported for playing Satsuma 

[anonym_cwVecOS6ecVy]

8 minutes ago, tadaMonika said:

In no game has that Tier system ever been changed or expanded to higher Tiers. I'd say it's almost fraud at this point that WG is actually selling these "top-Tier vehicles" aka Tier 10's for cash and then just pull this crap.

No, your argumentation is definitely flawed buddy

This. They could have easily gone for tier 11 only games, but decided to devalue everything by including superships in the regular matchmaking that was grinded for since the game's release. And force people to meet even tougher enemies on their way of grinding or with the ships they have just purchased for money, namingly tier 9 and 10 premiums.

[tadaMonika]

16 minutes ago, Von_Pruss said:

This. They could have easily gone for tier 11 only games, but decided to devalue everything by including superships in the regular matchmaking that was grinded for since the game's release. And force people to meet even tougher enemies on their way of grinding or with the ships they have just purchased for money, namingly tier 9 and 10 premiums.

Oh yeah having to fight Conde, Satsuma, Annapolis and the likes in stock FdG, Brindisi, Seattle, and so on sure is a lot of fun. Did that 2 or 3 times and immediately sold the FdG again after being caught broadside by a Conde while I was angling (or trying to) against a Satsuma and ate almost 30k damage  lmao

Not even talking about DD's that are detected by an Annapolis and immediately get nuked

[Yosha_AtaIante]

1 hour ago, tadaMonika said:

I'm pretty sure that the comparison with World of Warcraft is not really sound. WoW players know for certain that they have to regrind stuff in new content drops, hell, back in the day that was part of the appeal. In these wargaming titles we had a Tier system for YEARS unchanged from 1-10 in WoT and WoWs and WoWPs.

In no game has that Tier system ever been changed or expanded to higher Tiers. I'd say it's almost fraud at this point that WG is actually selling these "top-Tier vehicles" aka Tier 10's for cash and then just pull this crap.

No, your argumentation is definitely flawed buddy

I doubt it's flawed. Nowhere does it say that WG needs to stop at 10. It's their game and if they want to increase the ships power range so be it. Other games do it and WOWS can do it too. In many other f2p games you pay a lot more money to be the top dog only for the new content to powercreep the old one to make the same whales whale again for the new OP stuff. WG is no different, it's a free to play game adapting to f2p money making schemes which are also evolving. That this is happening is no suprise and you should really put your head on the table hard if you truly thought WG and their lootbox madness would never evolve into this

[Miscommunication_dept]

You're welcome:

https://eu.wargaming.net/shop/wows/gold/ps_p_15343/

[Hirohito]

3 minutes ago, Yuu5Eleven said:

Nowhere does it say that WG needs to stop at 10

Is that your whole point of argument?
"Nowhere does it say"?
 

[tadaMonika]

3 minutes ago, Yuu5Eleven said:

I doubt it's flawed. Nowhere does it say that WG needs to stop at 10. It's their game and if they want to increase the ships power range so be it. Other games do it and WOWS can do it too. In many other f2p games you pay a lot more money to be the top dog only for the new content to powercreep the old one to make the same whales whale again for the new OP stuff. WG is no different, it's a free to play game adapting to f2p money making schemes which are also evolving. That this is happening is no suprise and you should really put your head on the table hard if you truly thought WG and their lootbox madness would never evolve into this

You did never even argue with the points I made lol. The tier system never changed in over 10 years and still is unchanged in their other IP's. You tell me that it was "only natural" that we got Tier 11 in a WG IP and that it was no surprise? lmao gtfo

I'd also think that well over 100€ for a Tier 10 premium is up there with similar styled f2p games and definitely not on the low end of spending. For the same money you could get 3-4 triple A games that you will keep forever.

Yeah, your argumentation is flawed. WoW is not even remotely similar to WoWs. Try again

[Yosha_AtaIante]

3 minutes ago, tadaMonika said:

WoW is not even remotely similar to WoWs. Try again

You are missing the entire point. the debate isn't on if WOWS is similiar to WOW.

 

Wows is a free to play game and they are increasing the tiers by +1. It doesn't matter how long it took them. Now they will find ways to monetize it. It's the path every f2p game that aims to earn money takes. And no, i will certainly not gtfo because unlike you I don't mind these changes.

6 minutes ago, tadaMonika said:

it was no surprise?

It really wasn't. WG went all out on their monetization and lootboxes. The moment that superships were announced everyone should have known what's coming. If you are suprised by this then you are simply 

[tadaMonika]

1 minute ago, Yuu5Eleven said:

The moment that superships were announced everyone should have known what's coming. If you are suprised by this then you are simply 

Mate, wth are you talking about I am obviously not talking about being "surprised" by their introduction into the game AFTER they were announced wtf. Is that your entire point? Damn, well you got me beat here