Can You Devs Give Pommern Pref MM Please FFS?

[Sir_Sinksalot]

I've been away from the game for a few months.

 

Came back and decided I needed a good credit grinder and having looked through the pretty tragic offering of coal BB's available in the ARMORY I actually finally decided to purchase one, the Pommern, which looked like the best from a bad bunch and potentially fun plus I remember forumites saying it's a good credit grinder and fun ship with a secondary build.

 

So purchase it I did, clicked battle andddddddd discovered these moronic "Superships" have finally become a permanent random battle feature and obviously that's what I was having to fight against in my only two(and last!) battles played with this crap  ship. So yaaaaaaaaaaa, lets explore your game offering there WG. Here we have a coal ship at T9, crappy main battery accuracy, actually lets be honest here, atrocious main gun accuracy. Those guns are only 380mm and apart from the bad accuracy and caliber that already struggled against T10 ships it now has to suffer BADLY to T11 ships too?? 

 

Come on devs, politely get your shhhh together. A ship like this has no business fighting against T11 ships. A few T10 ships, ya I could probably wing it for a while but it doesn't even have to gun range to reach these T11's that are literally pommeling the Pommern from long range. Maybe I should try and close quickly within range to implement it's secondary build? ahahaa!! Nice meme. The shagging thing is flatlined long before it can do that by a litany of higher tier ship types that it's armor just cant last against.

 

Btw, is there ANY chance I can get a coal refund from only having played 2 battles with it?

[SodaBubbles]

Pom is fine against T10. 

But now that they have added the Stuporships, time to quit T9 and T10. Get a Massachusetts, Alabama, etc at T8 and go to town. You can still play WOWs at Tiers 5-8. But T10 is now a disaster area, thanks to the broken subs, the broken CVs, and the idiotic superships. 

[Chaoskraehe]

Vor 17 Minuten, Sir_Sinksalot sagte:

Btw, is there ANY chance I can get a coal refund from only having played 2 battles with it?

Write a ticket to the support and maybe you have luck. But if i remember correct one game is the max you can play and ask for a refund.

[Wulf_Ace]

Shoot HE

[J0tt]

Pommern is one of the ships that performs poorly once uptiered. You can make it work but that requires careful play instead of doing what the ship was built for (brawling). Just imagine you are a cruiser and spam HE. If you struggle with the range, don't hesitate to go full retard and slot range module. The good thing about the accuracy is that you can set multiple ships on fire at the same time!

 

It's the sad state of the game. I cannot really recommend a single coal ship right now for credit farming. Jean Bart and Georgia were the last really good ones (and fun to play beyond that). I wonder why they got taken out? You can always pick a T8 premium to farm. Yes, sometimes you will face T10 but at least you will not encounter supershits.

[Sir_Sinksalot]

Ya thanks. 

 

I sent a ticket to support asking for a refund and explaining the situation so lets see how it goes. I'm hoping they'll understand the situation and cut me some slack. Besides, I'm not looking for a refund of actual real money, it's just coal and I can only spend that on in-game stuff in the Armory so it's just a case of getting the coal back to spend on something else instead. Here's hoping. 

[Panocek]

1 hour ago, Sir_Sinksalot said:

Btw, is there ANY chance I can get a coal refund from only having played 2 battles with it?

Unlikely, as threshold is playing 1 (one) battle. With two, you better have your ticket well greased and lubed with honey words.

[SodaBubbles]

Not just Pommern.

All the T9s should have preferential MM and see only T10s, never superships.

 

Otherwise the devs are going to find that people will refuse to buy T9s, as they did when T8s were just fodderships for T10s. This forced them to tinker with the MM just to fix a problem that should never have existed in the first place, had they not restricted the T4 MM.

Ultimately, players are going to realize: why purchase a T9 premium just to be a foddership for Stuporships? I expect that in a year or so they will be tinkering with the T9 MM when purchases of T9 botes fall off.
 

[tocqueville8]

T9 used to be a sweet spot where you could make good credits, good cpt xp, and be sure that no one would stomp on you with a much more powerful ship.

 

Now it's just fodder for Eagle tactical squadrons, preferably in a division with an Annapolis and Hannover. French and British BBs are even worse, with both super-BBs overmatching them...

 

As far as "credit sink" options, I think the coal auction was a much more sustainable one.

Instead of 50M credits for a supership, you have to spend maybe 250M for a Tier 9-10 freemium, but imho it's just better for the MM and the community.

[hopeasusi]

5 hours ago, SodaBubbles said:

Pom is fine against T10. 

But now that they have added the Stuporships, time to quit T9 and T10. Get a Massachusetts, Alabama, etc at T8 and go to town. You can still play WOWs at Tiers 5-8. But T10 is now a disaster area, thanks to the broken subs, the broken CVs, and the idiotic superships. 

This is sadly the what top tier has become. A burning wreck of zero balance or fun to be had, unless you join the broken party. Tier 8 is now the true end tier, if you like to play WOWS. Going tier 9+ means you gonna have to play with all the unbalanced BS that they have come up. 

 

CV I could even handle being a bs thing, but now that we have supershits and subs also. HELL NO

Sadly subs are making even lower tier matches less fun. Less surface ships to shoot and more minigames(sub gameplay) in game. 

[SV_Kompresor]

5 hours ago, SodaBubbles said:

All the T9s should have preferential MM and see only T10s, never superships.

Tier 9 is literally what made tier 7 one of the worst tiers in the game regarding uptiers.

 

The fact that tier 9 actually gets shat on once in a while now is one of the very few good things that came out of the addition of superships.

[SodaBubbles]

19 minutes ago, SV_Kompresor said:

Tier 9 is literally what made tier 7 one of the worst tiers in the game regarding uptiers.

 

The fact that tier 9 actually gets shat on once in a while now is one of the very few good things that came out of the addition of superships.

It wasn't T9 that did that. It is the stubborn insistence of the devs that we cannot have a 1 tier spread. That resulted in the wreck of T8, and the feeble attempts to correct that problem simply spread the problem down to T7.

[SV_Kompresor]

10 minutes ago, SodaBubbles said:

It wasn't T9 that did that. It is the stubborn insistence of the devs that we cannot have a 1 tier spread. That resulted in the wreck of T8, and the feeble attempts to correct that problem simply spread the problem down to T7.

No it was the tier 9. Wg placed too many overpowered tier 9.5 ships on this tier (as well as making them too profitable), making it too popular, but instead of increasing the number of bottom or same tier matches it all got thrown onto tier 7. Just about all tier 9 ships can go toe to toe with tier 10 ships and with the amount of 9.5s, the chance of them rivaling superships is increased too.

 

All they had to do was increase the number of bottom tier battles on tier 9 and tier 7 would've been fine. Superships indirectly do just that so I'm happy with that at least.

[Panocek]

8 minutes ago, SodaBubbles said:

It wasn't T9 that did that. It is the stubborn insistence of the devs that we cannot have a 1 tier spread. That resulted in the wreck of T8, and the feeble attempts to correct that problem simply spread the problem down to T7.

+-2 tier spread worked in WoT "fine", as in, being correctly frustrating and exhilarating. WoT Blitz, mobile-slash-PC version have +-1 spread and while it made game overall more relaxed, it also made it... boring in the long run.

 

8 minutes ago, SV_Kompresor said:

Just about all tier 9 ships can go toe to toe with tier 10 ships and with the amount of 9.5s, the chance of them rivaling superships is increased too.

Until you bring an actual "tier 9" ship, like I dunno, Ibuki 

 

Still, with arrival of supershits major selling point of tier 9 premiums - not seeing tier 11 - is gone. And if you're going to get uptiered hard, you might as well pay 20€ less for the feature, while also avoiding new and overpowered toys altogether.

[Miscommunication_dept]

Tier 9 is the new tier 8. It's surprising how many superships are around right now. It seems  like there's more now then when they were giving them away to everyone.

[SobanRe]

6 hours ago, SodaBubbles said:

Ultimately, players are going to realize: why purchase a T9 premium just to be a foddership for Stuporships? I expect that in a year or so they will be tinkering with the T9 MM when purchases of T9 botes fall off.
 

WG will not change the MM. WG will introduce real Tier 10 premium ships for 180+ bucks not just the special ships we have now and shortly after that we get special tier 11 ships with reduced maintenance and for a new  creditsink tier 12 gets introduced and the circle continues. 

I hope I'm wrong but I fear I'm right. 

[Sub_Human]

11 hours ago, SodaBubbles said:

Pom is fine against T10. 

But now that they have added the Stuporships, time to quit T9 and T10. Get a Massachusetts, Alabama, etc at T8 and go to town. You can still play WOWs at Tiers 5-8. But T10 is now a disaster area, thanks to the broken subs, the broken CVs, and the idiotic superships. 

I have already been living at t8 for some time. T11 will probably attract a lot of people we won't be missing. Also the super CVs at t11 will increase the risk of CV games in t9-11 as there are now CVs at both t10 and t11.

[Yedwy]

6 minutes ago, Systergummi said:

I have already been living at t8 for some time. T11 will probably attract a lot of people we won't be missing. Also the super CVs at t11 will increase the risk of CV games in t9-11 as there are now CVs at both t10 and t11.

I dusted off some of my T6/7 premiums and are also regrinding some lines in mid tiers... 

[Sub_Human]

4 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

I dusted off some of my T6/7 premiums and are also regrinding some lines in mid tiers... 

Im having fun at t5-8. But like yesterday it was to much work at t8 (back to back losses in LeTerible 4 kills 170k and 5 kills 150k) I played t10 and won easily... Sometimes you have to go where the MM is preferable.

 

I also rediscovered Narai and had fun, 2000+ bxp games is not that uncommon.

[Sir_Sinksalot]

Thankfully Alex, who's a very helpful chap from Support was able to help me out in this instance and restored my account to a few days ago with my consent.

 

Pommern removed, coal restored and I can move on... whatever tier that may be...

 

Thing is though, delighted as I am to have this sorted out, it raises another issue, which is the glaring hole in the Armory when it comes to having anything less than T9 and T10 ships to purchase with coal, there simply isn't much to go at.

 

I would love to say there's a nice selection of T8 BB's for me to consider but there just isn't any, in fact, there's no T8 coal ships at all, regardless of class, not one ship lol. T7 has two coal ships available for me since I already have the DoY and Lazo. T6 is a great tier for Scenario battles and occasionally for ranked and other event but that only has 3 DD's and nothing else. There's a smattering of a few ships between T3-T5 but not many and nothing really all that attractive either... well, I guess I'll just sit on that big pile of coal for another year.

 

@Devs. Is there any plans in the not to distant future to inject a bit of life into the coal ship options available lower than T9 please? I'd certainly love a few T8 ships.

[WildWind84]

Same, tier 5-8, meanwhile all my ships T9 and TX are in port (play with t9 only in Ranked)...

 

EDIT: If I just can get my coal back that I gave for Salem, he is really struggle against subs (against superships didn't even try)... But I have him allready some time, so I don't think it is possible even.

[NewHorizons_1]

59 minutes ago, Sir_Sinksalot said:

@Devs. Is there any plans in the not to distant future to inject a bit of life into the coal ship options available lower than T9 please? I'd certainly love a few T8 ships.

Seconded.

After levelling up my Lutjens in T7 German premiums in Narai, I'm now concentrating finishing off promoting Yamamoto.

It would have been nice for some IJN T6 & 7 armoury cruisers to have assisted in that.

Though he's not far off, 35k to go before he's elite.

[Sir_Sinksalot]

Well, it doesn't need to stop with more coal ships either.

 

If we look at the customization options there's actually no perma-camo options available for coal(So far as I can see). There's just one for steel and that's restricted to T10 ships.

 

If we look in the camouflage section for our ships in port, at the top there's usually at least one, possibly two or more perma-camo's available for purchase with gold. Why not also make those available for coal purchase? I don't even need to ask the playerbase to already know that a lot of players would love that option and garnish their favorite tech-tree ships with one of those camo's in exchange for X amount of coal. I doubt that's a major job for devs to implement? And why should devs see that "coal for perma-camo" option as a bad idea? These perma-camo's are already in place in the game so the devs don't have to go away and create new ones with some huge new update patch, plus it also has the added benefit of draining players of coal along with placing a renewed interest in coal among the playerbase that currently might not see much value in it given the limited use for it, thus players will start to play the game more to generate more coal which in itself will be keeping the playerbase numbers a bit healthier etc. 

 

What do you devs think? Would you consider adding the current in-game permanent camo's attributed to each ship as an optional coal purchase from the Armory? Personally I'd dump all my coal stacks into perma-camos on all my favorite tech tree ships right now lol! and I doubt I'd be the only one! 

[Zerberus76]

Vor 14 Minuten, Sir_Sinksalot sagte:

What do you devs think? Would you consider adding the current in-game permanent camo's attributed to each ship as an optional coal purchase from the Armory? Personally I'd dump all my coal stacks into perma-camos on all my favorite tech tree ships right now lol! and I doubt I'd be the only one! 

I´m not a dev on this game or for WG, but I think I can tell you their response...

Why would we sacrifice one of our primary revenue streams by allowing every casual player that does his 3 containers a day to purchase them for free ingame currency?

And on that, I actually agree with them for a change.  If you start giving everything away for free, where do you earn your money?

Imagine a bakery that gives you the raw bread for free (the tech tree ships), and allows you to buy even cooler bread just for eating enough of them (coal /steel ships).

Where exactly are they supposed to make their money so they can stay in business, if not by charging you for the upgrade to a ham sandwich (the permacamos)?

And even those are already potentially given away for free, because you can get free doubloons left and right.. not massive amounts, but definitely enough to afford a ham sandwich once or twice a year if you stay on the ball.... ;)

[Port_Authority]

15 hours ago, Sir_Sinksalot said:

I've been away from the game for a few months.

 

Came back and decided I needed a good credit grinder and having looked through the pretty tragic offering of coal BB's available in the ARMORY I actually finally decided to purchase one, the Pommern, which looked like the best from a bad bunch and potentially fun plus I remember forumites saying it's a good credit grinder and fun ship with a secondary build.

 

So purchase it I did, clicked battle andddddddd discovered these moronic "Superships" have finally become a permanent random battle feature and obviously that's what I was having to fight against in my only two(and last!) battles played with this crap  ship. So yaaaaaaaaaaa, lets explore your game offering there WG. Here we have a coal ship at T9, crappy main battery accuracy, actually lets be honest here, atrocious main gun accuracy. Those guns are only 380mm and apart from the bad accuracy and caliber that already struggled against T10 ships it now has to suffer BADLY to T11 ships too?? 

 

Come on devs, politely get your shhhh together. A ship like this has no business fighting against T11 ships. A few T10 ships, ya I could probably wing it for a while but it doesn't even have to gun range to reach these T11's that are literally pommeling the Pommern from long range. Maybe I should try and close quickly within range to implement it's secondary build? ahahaa!! Nice meme. The shagging thing is flatlined long before it can do that by a litany of higher tier ship types that it's armor just cant last against.

 

Btw, is there ANY chance I can get a coal refund from only having played 2 battles with it?

 

I could say the same. T7 DD has no business fighting a battleship 2 tiers up equipped with long range sonar whose secondaries outrange DD's torpedoes by a wide margin.

 

Certainly there are ships that have been powercrept throughout the ages and the effect is they haven't been popular ships for a while now. Maybe a buff or special MM would be warranted there.

 

What you're asking is unreal tho, because there are a wide variety of ships and situations that can make a player's life miserable. Des Moines, spawned on a flank with no cover or on an open map, plus CV. DD where super(cruisers) have dug in the islands and all the enemy BBs are kiting away in the spawn. So on and so forth, for hundreds of ships.

 

Simply, there will be situations where balancing of your ship gets to shine and vice versa. That's random. But asking preferential MM for something balanced like Pommern is plain ignorant. The ship has a ton of short and mid range pushing power, and its balanced accordingly - asymmetrically. It gets eaten if under mid to long range focus. What you're asking is always be put in a situation that favours your ship - at the expense of others in the enemy team. You'd like to get in get those secondaries working, throw torps off with sonar and charge the DDs and their support out, but you wouldn't like to have your a** handed over to you in process, by Satsuma (or most of powerful T10s for that matter) somewhere on the 18km broadside.

I get why you want it, but you are not going to get it.