Superships: I see no way back from this.

[The_Angry_Admiral]

Not sure why Wargaming thought they needed to push these things through as they did but I think they've backed themselves into a corner. At least with submarines they are still in the testing phase and haven't put them in the game completely but with Superships it's too late. These things really need their own game mode or be nerfed because they are just too strong and games end up more lopsided than usual. *edit*

 

Does anyone really see a way back or are we stuck with these even less balanced match making? 

[Cammo1962]

Vor 7 Stunden, The_Angry_Admiral sagte:

Not sure why Wargaming thought they needed to push these things through as they did but I think they've backed themselves into a corner. At least with submarines they are still in the testing phase and haven't put them in the game completely but with Superships it's too late. These things really need their own game mode or be nerfed because they are just too strong and games end up more lopsided than usual. edit

 

Does anyone really see a way back or are we stuck with these even less balanced match making? 

1: Subs are coming and they will be broken.

2: WeeGee cant balance anything in this game they have proven that over and over again just take the CV rework. After 3 years they are still trying to balance them.

[Verblonde]

8 minutes ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

Does anyone really see a way back or are we stuck with these even less balanced match making?

I doubt superships are going anywhere, for all the usual 'sunk cost' reasons; besides that, we 'know' that quite a few players like them (cf that thread last week - ? - with someone having conniptions because they couldn't keep their test freebie; besides that, I saw quite a few in battles over the weekend).

 

The down-side, naturally, is that they devalue all the T10 and T9 ships that people have (with a fair chunk of the latter having been paid for with money, I'd guess); on the other hand, it's not inconceivable that they may trigger a slight renaissance for the T8 premiums - if T9 plus are being dragged into T11 battles, it *might* mean fewer occasions of being uptiered in T8s?

 

My suspicion though is that supership numbers may settle at a tolerable level, once the initial excitement dies down: for most players, they are going to be expensive to run, and the rewards benefits of playing them are questionable. You're probably going to make less silver than in a comparable lower tier ship; the xp that you earn has no direct value (beyond 'earn xp' missions); there is value in the captain and free xp that you earn, but you'll probably do better with lower tier ships - it's (by definition) never possible to get the boosts from shooting higher tier targets.

 

Full disclosure: I picked up Yamagiri, and have played her enough to get the supercontainer (with an entirely awful WR). I actually quite like her, although I much prefer things like Daring, Vampire II, Halland/Smaland.

 

Personally, I don't feel that superships are 'sky falling' disasters for the game (although it would probably be better for the game if they weren't in it); they're essentially 'what we already have, only more so'. It's the current implementation of submarines that's seriously damaging...

[CV_SUB_Report_Blacklist]

superships are fine ...'

besides there is no problem in this game like cvs ,why fixing a car radio before fixing the engine ...

[Chaoskraehe]

I only played Satsuma and I think she is fine. 

 

I played against all other super ships and don't think they are a problem so far. 

 

T9 against T11 is way more comfortable as T7 against T9 in my opinion. 

[The_Angry_Admiral]

1 hour ago, Verblonde said:

I doubt superships are going anywhere, for all the usual 'sunk cost' reasons; besides that, we 'know' that quite a few players like them (cf that thread last week - ? - with someone having conniptions because they couldn't keep their test freebie; besides that, I saw quite a few in battles over the weekend).

 

The down-side, naturally, is that they devalue all the T10 and T9 ships that people have (with a fair chunk of the latter having been paid for with money, I'd guess); on the other hand, it's not inconceivable that they may trigger a slight renaissance for the T8 premiums - if T9 plus are being dragged into T11 battles, it *might* mean fewer occasions of being uptiered in T8s?

 

My suspicion though is that supership numbers may settle at a tolerable level, once the initial excitement dies down: for most players, they are going to be expensive to run, and the rewards benefits of playing them are questionable. You're probably going to make less silver than in a comparable lower tier ship; the xp that you earn has no direct value (beyond 'earn xp' missions); there is value in the captain and free xp that you earn, but you'll probably do better with lower tier ships - it's (by definition) never possible to get the boosts from shooting higher tier targets.

 

Full disclosure: I picked up Yamagiri, and have played her enough to get the supercontainer (with an entirely awful WR). I actually quite like her, although I much prefer things like Daring, Vampire II, Halland/Smaland.

 

Personally, I don't feel that superships are 'sky falling' disasters for the game (although it would probably be better for the game if they weren't in it); they're essentially 'what we already have, only more so'. It's the current implementation of submarines that's seriously damaging...

Now when I say Superships that does include the Super CV's which are even more broken. Saw an Eagle do 112k in one pass. 

 

If an Eagle decides to focus you or a US then you are dead. That's too powerful.

[Miragetank90]

Roses are red

Violets are blue

Supersubs are coming

To an ocean near you 

[ColonelPete]

Vor 7 Stunden, The_Angry_Admiral sagte:

Not sure why Wargaming thought they needed to push these things through as they did but I think they've backed themselves into a corner. At least with submarines they are still in the testing phase and haven't put them in the game completely but with Superships it's too late. These things really need their own game mode or be nerfed because they are just too strong and games end up more lopsided than usual. edit

 

Does anyone really see a way back or are we stuck with these even less balanced match making? 

Keep your political views to yourself.

[Wulf_Ace]

28 minutes ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

 Saw an Eagle 112k in one pass. 

 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

37 minutes ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

Saw an Eagle do 112k in one pass. 

Is anyone still taking you serious? I hope they stop after this 

[RuruushuVuiBuritania]

3 minutes ago, Yuu5Eleven said:

Is anyone still taking you serious? I hope they stop after this 

Nah bro, I swear it happened, just trust me bro, I know better than those supertesters spreading fake news about Hornet!
Always funny to see how conspiracies and misinformation is usually tied to intelligence or skill level.

[Humorpalanta]

38 minutes ago, Miragetank90 said:

Roses are red

Violets are blue

Supersubs are coming

To an ocean near you 

[The_Angry_Admiral]

8 minutes ago, RuruushuVuiBuritania said:

Nah bro, I swear it happened, just trust me bro, I know better than those supertesters spreading fake news about Hornet!
Always funny to see how conspiracies and misinformation is usually tied to intelligence or skill level.

I have a good feeling you don't even understand what you wrote. 

[The_Angry_Admiral]

12 minutes ago, Yuu5Eleven said:

Is anyone still taking you serious? I hope they stop after this 

Well I don't take your seriously so welcome to the club. 

[The_Angry_Admiral]

18 minutes ago, Yuu5Eleven said:

Is anyone still taking you serious? I hope they stop after this 

BTW the only person who seems to take you seriously in the Submarine thread is @Nagine

 

Enough said. 

[Verblonde]

1 hour ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

Saw an Eagle do 112k in one pass.

How did it do this? Which aircraft were used?

[Nagine]

13 minutes ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

BTW the only person who seems to take you seriously in the Submarine thread is @Nagine

 

Enough said. 

That is one more supporting person compared to the amount of people that take you seriously :)

[The_Angry_Admiral]

Just now, Verblonde said:

How did it do this? Which aircraft were used?

I don't know but the Eagle on my team just shouts in chat he just did 112k damage. He had no reason to lie about it. 

[The_Angry_Admiral]

Just now, Nagine said:

That is one more supporting person compared to the amount of people that take you seriously :)

Hmmmmm well if you go back and that loooooooooooooong submarine thread you will see a lot more people taking me seriously than you. 

[Miragetank90]

1 hour ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

Saw an Eagle do 112k in one pass. 

 

Satsuma = 119, 200 HP

So you saw an Eagle basically one-shot a Satsuma? 

[HARBINGER_OF_SKULLS]

3 minutes ago, Verblonde said:

How did it do this? Which aircraft were used?

The aircraft dropped their CV on his ship.

[The_Angry_Admiral]

2 minutes ago, Miragetank90 said:

 

Satsuma = 119, 200 HP

So you saw an Eagle basically one-shot a Satsuma? 

Had a United States hit my Petro with two torps and drop me just below half. 

 

I would say it was a full torp hit. 

[ColonelPete]

1 minute ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

I don't know but the Eagle on my team just shouts in chat he just did 112k damage. He had no reason to lie about it. 

That can mean anything, but not necessarily that it was in one strike... (unless it was a detonation, but that is nothing special)

[Miragetank90]

Just now, ColonelPete said:

That can mean anything, but not necessarily that it was in one strike... (unless it was a detonation, but that is nothing special)

 

No ship will detonate for 112k anyway, there is no ship currently in which 112k is below the 75% of total HP required to trigger it. 

[Verblonde]

8 minutes ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

I don't know but the Eagle on my team just shouts in chat he just did 112k damage. He had no reason to lie about it. 

I'm not hugely familiar with Eagle, but it doesn't seem terribly likely:

 

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

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Spoiler

 

 

I suppose it's remotely possible if you detonate one of the big BBs...? Edit: Not possible - see post immediately prior to mine...