[OGHF] Cyclops_ Players 2,063 posts 34,273 battles Report post #1 Posted April 17, 2022 AS per the title, do I get the Kaga or Hornet, your thoughts please. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLITZ] principat121 Modder 5,996 posts 11,441 battles Report post #2 Posted April 17, 2022 Kaga was and still is one of the best tier8 CVs. Spam torpedos all day long. The Hornet has a very nice gimmick, but she is balanced around it, so the rest is quite underwhelming. The Hornet is nice and a good CV but never as competative as the Chakalov or Kaga. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ILDET] Juuzaam Players 136 posts 8,839 battles Report post #3 Posted April 17, 2022 Kaga. I thought about buying the Hornet, but reviews exposed several weak spots. The torp bombers are not as good as we thought. The planes are quite slow. At 115ktns, Kaga is at 130+ the concealment of the hull makes it even worse for Hornet, but manageable with good positioning. The damage is lower as well with 4.66k compared to Kagas 5.4k. The general arming distance combined with speed is usual US vs IJN, overall better for IJN because of the concealment in my book. So how does torping a single target looks like? You fly quite slow to get off 6-7 torps, compared to Kaga that throws an avg of 10 torps. If this is all you want to do, torping people, it is already decided here: Kaga 100%. Hornets AP bombs drop in a carpet pattern from a strange angle, this makes them quite unreliable. I saw drops around 5k up to 12kdamage. A Kaga only got HE, but these can score at least 10k reliable + a fire. I dont see a reason to use these AP bombers compared to the techtrees of IJN and KM. The selling point, the tactical squad is insane, tho. The squad got like 33k health in 1 group, means reduced damage, in combination with the attack pattern you can start an attack early, drasticly reducing incoming damage like russian Carriers. Same tier ships will almost always get stricked by all 5 B25s. I saw damage numbers with 15k-25k against BBs, multiple fires on top. The direct influence on the outcome of a match without squadron speed, concealment or any HE weapons from the start is a problem. I can see people score decent damage numbers with the B25s, but Kaga can do this as well and does not have to wait 180s to use the special squad again. I wont buy the Hornet, but sure i would play it if i got one for free from Wargaming. Kaga looks way stronger for me and might be also easier to play. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] KillStealBoss Players 11,382 posts 57,935 battles Report post #4 Posted April 17, 2022 Kaga>Chkalov>Hornet>GZ>Saipan>Indomitable. Didn't include techtree only premiums. Ofc Enterprise is still the most stupid and broken one. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OGHF] Cyclops_ Players 2,063 posts 34,273 battles Report post #5 Posted April 17, 2022 Kaga it is then, many thanks for the advice Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLITZ] principat121 Modder 5,996 posts 11,441 battles Report post #6 Posted April 17, 2022 2 hours ago, MacArthur92 said: Kaga>Chkalov>Hornet>GZ>Saipan>Indomitable. Didn't include techtree only premiums. Ofc Enterprise is still the most stupid and broken one. Isn't it quite interesting that two of the most broken CVs at release (GZ and Ent) are now not even mediocre? Not a good testimony of the feats of the balance department... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] KillStealBoss Players 11,382 posts 57,935 battles Report post #7 Posted April 17, 2022 11 minutes ago, principat121 said: Isn't it quite interesting that two of the most broken CVs at release (GZ and Ent) are now not even mediocre? Not a good testimony of the feats of the balance department... Enterprise not mediocre? dude it's very strong idk what you are saying.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[URUC] S_h_i_v_a Players 642 posts Report post #8 Posted April 18, 2022 NO Hornet, please chck this video. Then check the stats of Hornet and Lexington, why spend money on a premium worse than a free ship? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TLLP] DDIGITALDNR Players 19 posts 965 battles Report post #9 Posted April 18, 2022 Kaga can throw up planes all match long and get lots of torp damage. Hornet is fun if you know how to lead the target with your B25 bomb drops and have got aim with the torpedoes, the normal bombers are very poor and frequently miss due to RNG even when the recital is in perfect position bombs can fall to the water and even when you get a Citadel hit they don't do very much. However the B25s can straight up delete destroyers and cruisers off the map as long you are not uptiered into a Tier 10 game and if that happens you can lose some or all of your flight against 'good' AA as they are slow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OGHF] Cyclops_ Players 2,063 posts 34,273 battles Report post #10 Posted April 18, 2022 Well i have played 7 battles with the Kaga now, have a 17pt Captain on her, so far ave Dmg is 70K, frags is 1.43 with 4 wins in the 7 battles, not a bad start, but need to improve. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-N5C-] Nit0 Players 342 posts 20,255 battles Report post #11 Posted April 18, 2022 I have both, but only have 3-5 games in Hornet atm. First impression I would say Kaga, easier to use because of fastest squadrons and easier to preserve plane reserve. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ORPOrkan Players 21 posts 5,979 battles Report post #12 Posted April 29, 2022 It's not worth buying a Hornet. If they do as with Chkalov, after a month it will be only a shadow of what it is today. The very fact that planes turn slower than battleships should make you wonder how the WG treats aircraft carriers. Everything goes into destroyers that are already cosmically unreal. Soon we will watch a destroyer sink several battleships in one burst. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-N5C-] Nit0 Players 342 posts 20,255 battles Report post #13 Posted April 30, 2022 22 hours ago, ORPOrkan said: . Soon we will watch a destroyer sink several battleships in one burst. Sounds like someone need to learn the magic of dodging torpedoes 😁 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-YR-] Alfa_Tau Players 885 posts 24,003 battles Report post #14 Posted May 1, 2022 BEFORE BUYING... consider WG is going to NERF the CHKALOV... for now. Soon I guess they will also NERF the B25 of the Hornet... my guess before Xmas... KAGA will follow? Who knows,,, certainly the new policy of WG DO NOT inspire trust in me as a customer.. That said KAGA is at the moment a better choice.. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PFFC] MRGTB [PFFC] Players 1,285 posts Report post #15 Posted June 18, 2022 Think the selling points of the Hornet and the Chkalov is that they don't have rocket planes, which are pretty useless now that they changed the mechanics of how rocket planes work making them much harder to use. That's the gimmick with these two CVs for sale now, not using pretty useless rocket planes for people that would now prefer a CV without rocket planes and only using bombs and torps. I have bought all the premium CVs previously and wouldn't buy another that used rockets. Rockets planes are no use now on a CV... they have nerfed them into being pretty much obsolete to use Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BAD-F] Sams_Baneblade Beta Tester, Players 297 posts 10,497 battles Report post #16 Posted February 2 On 5/1/2022 at 4:09 PM, Alfa_Tau said: BEFORE BUYING... consider WG is going to NERF the CHKALOV... for now. Soon I guess they will also NERF the B25 of the Hornet... my guess before Xmas... KAGA will follow? Who knows,,, certainly the new policy of WG DO NOT inspire trust in me as a customer.. That said KAGA is at the moment a better choice.. Chkalov and Hornet could be nerfed, because thay are part of the newer generation of premiums, whose description includes "balance changes might be applied". Kaga predates them by far and thus shouldn't be touched, except is WG decides to change global CV mechanics or to change its policy regarding the nerf of older premiums. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
