Hornet: Why I despise Discord.

[The_Angry_Admiral]

First of all I have to say to Wargaming that your World of Warships Official Discord page does nothing to help your community image. 

 

I was in their and the Hornet was mentioned which I purchased and have played. Someone asked about it and I said the planes are essentially "glass cannons" which they are. They are really slow which makes them more vulnerable to AA but they hit like a truck. Well this person claiming to be a Super Tester chimes in with "Well that's your opinion". I respond with no it's not my opinion it's an actual fact and anyone who has actually played it will see that. The proceeded to respond with they are a super tester and they know better. Well I came back and said they obviously didn't do a good job at testing because they don't seem to know the ins and outs of a ship they claimed to have super tested. Then there are of course people commenting about how wrong I was and they didn't even have the ship. They also were saying I just wasn't playing the ship right even though I do have a 67% WR in it. 

 

Here is what I have chosen for the Hornet.

 

 

It's no wonder this game is in such a bad state at the moment if your own "super testers" don't even know the state of the ships they are supposedly testing. 

 

Anyone else have a different experience in the Hornet?

 

 

[SkipperCH]

You said it "opinion". If you think you would be a better supertester I suggest you apply for it. 

 

And you're talking about a ship you played for 6 rounds until now and are performing below average. Supertesters (me included) usually have around 100 rounds of playing a ship before it gets released. So there usually is a funded opinion made throughout these rounds. That you have a different opinion is okay, but do not try to argue that just because someone has a different opinion than you he has no idea what he is talking about.

 

The Community discord helped way more people than you ever did who is now criticizing.

 

@ColonelPete - Look at the amount of games. 

[ColonelPete]

And if you have 67% winrate in her, where is the problem with the ship? Should she be stronger?

[hellhound666]

15 minutes ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

respond with they are a super tester and they know better.

where is said that supertester is supposed to know anything or to be a good player?

[principat121]

16 minutes ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

I was in their and the Hornet was mentioned which I purchased and have played. Someone asked about it and I said the planes are essentially "glass cannons" which they are. They are really slow which makes them more vulnerable to AA but they hit like a truck. Well this person claiming to be a Super Tester chimes in with "Well that's your opinion". I respond with no it's not my opinion it's an actual fact and anyone who has actually played it will see that. The proceeded to respond with they are a super tester and they know better. Well I came back and said they obviously didn't do a good job at testing because they don't seem to know the ins and outs of a ship they claimed to have super tested. Then there are of course people commenting about how wrong I was and they didn't even have the ship. They also were saying I just wasn't playing the ship right even though I do have a 67% WR in it. 

So, in short: you are entitled to your opinion, but you do not want other to have their own?

 

And by any chance: do you have the slightest clue what "fact" means actually? 

[SkipperCH]

I re-read the conversation from discord and to be honest - You brought this on yourself. Ranting and stating your personal opinion as the one and only isn't the way to go. 

[lameoll]

i do not even have to read the DC to know he brought it on himself  Anyhow another topic made on the forums i guess 

[The_Angry_Admiral]

4 minutes ago, SkipperCH said:

I re-read the conversation from discord and to be honest - You brought this on yourself. Ranting and stating your personal opinion as the one and only isn't the way to go. 

Mmmmm no I didn't. I know for a fact they are glass cannons and people on Discord just like to argue for the joy of it.

[The_Angry_Admiral]

7 minutes ago, principat121 said:

So, in short: you are entitled to your opinion, but you do not want other to have their own?

Do you own the ship?

[SkipperCH]

So this is a Photoshop edit then?

 

Or this?

 

Or maybe this?

 

 

I could go on and on. So please - Either you stick to your own opinion and own anything you said or you should rethink before posting. Especially if something gets saved and can be checked afterwards to proof is disproof your statements. 

[Flaky26]

Před 29 minutami The_Angry_Admiral řekl/a:

It's no wonder this game is in such a bad state at the moment if your own "super testers" don't even know the state of the ships they are supposedly testing. 

You can have different experience with Hornet than others. Maybe you have different playstyle.

But saying that supertesters do not know ships they are testing is very brave and most likely wrong statement.

[The_Angry_Admiral]

18 minutes ago, SkipperCH said:

You said it "opinion". If you think you would be a better supertester I suggest you apply for it. 

 

LOL!!! No offense but Wargaming seems to only listen to those who say what WG want them to say AKA Subs and Superships.

 

I would just be wasting my breath. 

[The_Angry_Admiral]

4 minutes ago, SkipperCH said:

So this is a Photoshop edit then?

 

Or this?

 

Or maybe this?

 

 

I could go on and on. So please - Either you stick to your own opinion and own anything you said or you should rethink before posting. Especially if something gets saved and can be checked afterwards to proof is disproof your statements. 

How about you go and post the entire conversation instead of cherry picking mate?

[SkipperCH]

Then you've got 2 options

• stop making claims that supertesters don't know what they're talking about
• apply for supertesting and proof that you yourself know what you're talking about

[The_Angry_Admiral]

2 minutes ago, Flaky26 said:

You can have different experience with Hornet than others. Maybe you have different playstyle.

But saying that supertesters do not know ships they are testing is very brave and most likely wrong statement.

But the numbers don't lie. You can't have an opinion on numbers.

 

The planes on the Hornet are glass cannons. The numbers and the play back that up. 

 

It's not in the realm of opinion. Saying the ship is good or bad is an opinion. 

[The_Angry_Admiral]

Just now, SkipperCH said:

Then you've got 2 options

• stop making claims that supertesters don't know what they're talking about (dmc has around 250 matches in Hornet)
• apply for supertesting and proof that you yourself know what you're talking about

I can say whatever I want. Your supertester was wrong and just because they are a supertester doesn't make them automatically right. 

[SkipperCH]

Okay,

 

then let's simply disproof your initial statement that Hornet planes are glass canons. 

 

Hornets Douglas TBD Devastator Torpedo Bombers have 1.720 HP base - Now let's have a look what other T8 CV planes have (I will just use the top planes to further proof my point)

• Kaga - 1.600HP
• Shokaku - 1.670HP
• Chkalov - 1.470HP
• Pobeda - 1.470HP
• Enterprise - 1.800HP
• Lexington - 1.880HP
• Saipan - 2.040HP
• August v. Parseval 1.570HP
• Graf Zeppelin - 1.710HP
• Implacable - 2.150HP
• Aquila - 1.150HP

 

So....now tell me why exactly Hornets planes should be considered glass canons if their HP is the fifth highest of it's tier? Since you like statistics so much. HP isn't equal to survivability as well. FdR's planes have the highest HP but will likewise take the most dmg due to their poor maneuverability. Same is true for Implacables planes. High HP won't save you if you hit flak explosions due to lack of mobility. 

[The_Angry_Admiral]

16 minutes ago, Flaky26 said:

You can have different experience with Hornet than others. Maybe you have different playstyle.

But saying that supertesters do not know ships they are testing is very brave and most likely wrong statement.

I would actually recommend the Hornet because it is a good ship but you will see because the planes are slow so it leaves you vulnerable to AA and it's not easy trying to dodge when you can't move as quickly. 

[anonym_cwVecOS6ecVy]

11 minutes ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

But the numbers don't lie. You can't have an opinion on numbers.

 

The planes on the Hornet are glass cannons. The numbers and the play back that up. 

 

It's not in the realm of opinion. Saying the ship is good or bad is an opinion. 

Did you compare the squadron's HP with other Tier VIII CVs yet? They seem all fine compared to other CVs. What other numbers do you refer to? I mean the subjective feeling is also heavily influenced by the MM. Of course against +1/+2 you might loose more planes than as a top tier vessel.

[The_Angry_Admiral]

2 minutes ago, SkipperCH said:

 

So....now tell me why exactly Hornets planes should be considered glass canons if their HP is the fifth highest of it's tier? Since you like statistics so much. 

Just like I told your "Super Tester" and this response right here just shows me you are either leaving out information on purpose or you don't know what you are talking about. 

 

Having more HP doesn't mean much when your planes are slow and you should know this. Having a larger HP pool but being hit more cancels each other out. 

[The_Angry_Admiral]

1 minute ago, Von_Pruss said:

Did you compare the squadron's HP with other Tier VIII CVs yet? They seem all fine compared to other CVs. What other numbers do you refer to? I mean the subjective feeling is also heavily influenced by the MM. Of course against +1/+2 you might lose more planes than as a top tier vessel.

It's not the HP that's the issue here - it's the speed of the planes. 

[Flaky26]

Před 1 minutou The_Angry_Admiral řekl/a:

I would actually recommend the Hornet because it is a good ship but you will see because the planes are slow it leaves you vulnerable to AA and it's not easy trying to dodge when you can't move as quickly. 

Thank you for the recommendation, I am considering getting Hornet.

Slow planes have problem with continuous damage, they have to face it longer than fast planes. But you can dodge flak clouds even with slow planes. Turn, play with speed.

[SkipperCH]

For recommendations I would rather listen to someone who played many rounds throughout testing than someone who makes his statement based on 6 rounds. 

[Yurra]

Idk man I would take the opinion of a 60+% WR player as credible, unlike one of a 48%er...

[Salem__1]

certified forum moment.
The aircrafts carried by the Hornet (XTBD,SBD-5 and especially B-25) are kinda healthy. numbers speak for themselves:


for comparison, Lex's aircraft have all HP under these numbers, so i don't know what you're on.
If planes are glass cannon, then you shuld try the Chkalov.
-useless user from the discord