Subs CANNOT be countered. Here's PROOF.

[SolanumTuberosumRex]

 

This happened to me a few times already. It's just a matter of time before even the losers - who make up most of the sub- and CV players - figure this out.

Remove the subs from the game WG.

[GermanBoomercaustEnjoyer]

If you think a Desmo with 0 gamesense (sorry not wanna be rude but that guy clearly has no place at t10) is not the best prove that subs are "broken". There are many more other things that make subs shine but clearly not human errors.

[SolanumTuberosumRex]

1 minute ago, Sir_Lawrence42 said:

If you think a Desmo with 0 gamesense (sorry not wanna be rude but that guy clearly has no place at t10) is not the best prove that subs are "broken".

This will work on anyone and anything. All you know is that you are spotted. If you were already spotted, nothing changes, and if you were positioned right - like that DM - then you have no reason to change anything, because you thought you couldn't get hit. 

[Viridem]

I have yet to play subs (I'm waiting for Japanese ones to come out), so I didn't know exactly how broken things were.

This is disgusting. If I were that DM, getting spotted there like that, I would have assumed that it's a DD in front of me. I would have assumed that I would still be safe there.

And what could have that Salem done?

 

I would have probably avoided some of the torps, but getting damaged was near inevitable.

I also, in my ravenous hatred of CVs, run defAA instead of hydro. So now I have to chose which of the two cancers I'll need to take placebo pills for. Great.

 

Between this and the superships, I suppose playing tier IX and X will be mostly a thing of the past for me.

[CV_SUB_Report_Blacklist]

4 hours ago, Sir_Lawrence42 said:

If you think a Desmo with 0 gamesense (sorry not wanna be rude but that guy clearly has no place at t10) is not the best prove that subs are "broken". There are many more other things that make subs shine but clearly not human errors.

maybe he is a returning player , and has no clue what is happening there 

[Yedwy]

8 hours ago, Sir_Lawrence42 said:

If you think a Desmo with 0 gamesense (sorry not wanna be rude but that guy clearly has no place at t10) is not the best prove that subs are "broken". There are many more other things that make subs shine but clearly not human errors.

So I am sure you will enlighten us here about what that Desmo did wrong?

[ThePurpleSmurf]

19 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

So I am sure you will enlighten us here about what that Desmo did wrong?

Clicked the battle button?! Just a guess, because i didn't watch the video. 3rd party cookies are blocked, hence no embedded video for me.

[S_h_i_v_a]

Terror of the Deep 

[SV_Kompresor]

37 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

So I am sure you will enlighten us here about what that Desmo did wrong?

tbh that DM has 12k average damage on his acc. 2k on his des moines, so it kind of is a bad example. Even if subs are completely broken.

[anonym_cwVecOS6ecVy]

Subs are not broken. According to @YabbaCoe they are working as described.

[Yedwy]

18 minutes ago, SV_Kompresor said:

tbh that DM has 12k average damage on his acc. 2k on his des moines, so it kind of is a bad example. Even if subs are completely broken.

Regardless I would still like to know what he did wrong there? He sailed behind cover from the heavy fire, mostly facing the (known) enemy and closing in with island cover in front to use, yes he was in a position to possibly get sniped through the gap by a bb if cv spots him in the wrong moment but overall chances of that are rather slim, if a dd pushed him through the channel it would have been spotted by planes so only thing he can be accused of here is that he didnt take the griefing tu*d into account and didnt sail to a line at the battle start… 

[SV_Kompresor]

17 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

Regardless I would still like to know what he did wrong there?

Leaving tier 3 I suppose. That's where he fits with his skill.

[NewHorizons_1]

1 hour ago, ThePurpleSmurf said:

Clicked the battle button?! Just a guess, because i didn't watch the video. 3rd party cookies are blocked, hence no embedded video for me.

There's the basic link for you YouTube : Submarines are broken and cheesy

If only radar could detect subs at periscope depth

 

Additionally YoutTube : Dolphining is back

Judge for yourself.

 

[WWDragon]

5 hours ago, BlueMerry said:

maybe he is a returning player , and has no clue what is happening there 

He is in 2 brothers on red base cap with no support and moving slowly were a DD could simply go in, stay 7km and torpedo like the sub this.

 

The only reason to be there is to make sure no DD pulls that trick and gets in the rear except he is not in a position to actually do that, neither hydro was popped when the DETECTED appeared on the screen because he didnt fire torps without a lock either.

 

[NewHorizons_1]

1 hour ago, Yedwy said:

So I am sure you will enlighten us here about what that Desmo did wrong?

Only thing he could have done was use hydro, maybe avoided some torps but the result probably would have been eventually the same.

Also does RPF work on subs at periscope depth?

It used to, but since radar no longer spots in that situation I'm no longer sure.

[Yedwy]

13 minutes ago, WWDragon said:

He is in 2 brothers on red base cap with no support and moving slowly were a DD could simply go in, stay 7km and torpedo like the sub this.

 

The only reason to be there is to make sure no DD pulls that trick and gets in the rear except he is not in a position to actually do that, neither hydro was popped when the DETECTED appeared on the screen because he didnt fire torps without a lock either.

Did you miss the planes flying overhead? No a dd couldnt have been there because either it or its smoke would have been spotted long before getting into torping position, I mean its prob not the position I would choose for a desmo but nevertheless

[WWDragon]

27 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

Regardless I would still like to know what he did wrong there? He sailed behind cover from the heavy fire, mostly facing the (known) enemy and closing in with island cover in front to use, yes he was in a position to possibly get sniped through the gap by a bb if cv spots him in the wrong moment but overall chances of that are rather slim, if a dd pushed him through the channel it would have been spotted by planes so only thing he can be accused of here is that he didnt take the griefing tu*d into account and didnt sail to a line at the battle start… 

 

Really?

 

Lets go with this steps ... this is 2 brothers maps and thats the channel, a DD can simply do a channel dash and get in the rear undetected if the channel is left unguarded.

 

So being there is not really the problem.

 

So what are the problems, the obvious one is that if you lock on a ship the text saying DETECTED appears no matter what, in that location the ONLY thing that could had made a lock was a ship with small detection that made a channel dash, this leaves you with the following options.

 

Run at full speed maneuvering.

Pop Radar (that DM have and 10km at that)

Pop Hydro (that DM can have unless for some unexplained reason DFAA is there)

 

Now what did that DM did? nothing ... maintained slow speed moving away from the channel (why was that DM even there?), even after being hit by torpedoes, there is no excuse for making NO action, you can see that the sub maintained a lock so it wasnt a "blindfire", the whole *snort* impossible to see is a load of crap because at periscope depth radar detects subs and so does hydro, the DM is also not in a position to shield from torps coming from the channel, a DD could had done the same ... if you going to say "the DM would had detected the sub" yes but YOLO EMILIO and other DDs would rush in, kill it and go dark again.

 

And I am crap at the game, if I was there and noticed detected I would had immediate popped hydro instead of doing absolutely nothing.

[UnderDuress]

12 minutes ago, WWDragon said:

the DM is also not in a position to shield from torps coming from the channel, a DD could had done the same

Which dd wouldn’t have been spotted by the planes doing the channel check, or the DM that would have spotted them before they are even out of the channel let alone swing around their torpedo arcs.

[Yedwy]

9 minutes ago, WWDragon said:

 

Really?

 

Lets go with this steps ... this is 2 brothers maps and thats the channel, a DD can simply do a channel dash and get in the rear undetected if the channel is left unguarded.

 

So being there is not really the problem.

 

So what are the problems, the obvious one is that if you lock on a ship the text saying DETECTED appears no matter what, in that location the ONLY thing that could had made a lock was a ship with small detection that made a channel dash, this leaves you with the following options.

 

Run at full speed maneuvering.

Pop Radar (that DM have and 10km at that)

Pop Hydro (that DM can have unless for some unexplained reason DFAA is there)

 

Now what did that DM did? nothing ... maintained slow speed moving away from the channel (why was that DM even there?), even after being hit by torpedoes, there is no excuse for making NO action, you can see that the sub maintained a lock so it wasnt a "blindfire", the whole *snort* impossible to see is a load of crap because at periscope depth radar detects subs and so does hydro, the DM is also not in a position to shield from torps coming from the channel, a DD could had done the same ... if you going to say "the DM would had detected the sub" yes but YOLO EMILIO and other DDs would rush in, kill it and go dark again.

 

And I am crap at the game, if I was there and noticed detected I would had immediate popped hydro instead of doing absolutely nothing.

Dude the Desmo thought its detected by a dd in front of her as it was logical to assume after cv flew over the channel finding nothing, as I said her only big fail was not to take the griefing tu*d into account

[WWDragon]

9 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

Did you miss the planes flying overhead? No a dd couldnt have been there because either it or its smoke would have been spotted long before getting into torping position, I mean its prob not the position I would choose for a desmo but nevertheless

 

DDs have roughly a 2km air detection unless for some reason they leave AA on.

 

Yes, a DD could been there and if it wasnt then WHY was that DM there? only reason to be there is to guard the channel entry, at this point you are defending someone lack of reaction because subs are bad mk. And that is dishonest.

 

BTW I managed to sink a MI with a U-25'1 by sailing strait across at max depth (ignoring everything) and find it when I surfaced finding it beautifully parked broadside at around 8km, the MI actually survived a full launch and what did he do? instead of taking it ... increased speed, presented his bow and send his planes against me as one of his teammates rushed back and started throwing ASW planes at me, I got him on second launch but got suck by his teammate.

 

Are they OP? No more that a Shimakaze throwing a wall of skill ... yes, people will get sunk by subs especially in cases like this were someone wasnt trying to even counter, if that DM speed up, if that DM used hydro, if that DM used radar... if but that wasnt what happened, its like saying Petro is weak because you do is ling HE with it.

[UnderDuress]

6 minutes ago, WWDragon said:

if that DM speed up, if that DM used hydro, if that DM used radar

The sub surfaced about 4km away and if Notser wasn’t just messing around would have launched a full spread of torps that would have landed and killed the DM in about 2secs. So what would any of those things have done in the time between the DM getting detected and getting devstruck?

[anonym_cwVecOS6ecVy]

7 minutes ago, WWDragon said:

yes, people will get sunk by subs especially in cases like this were someone wasnt trying to even counter, if that DM speed up, if that DM used hydro, if that DM used radar... if but that wasnt what happened, its like saying Petro is weak because you do is ling HE with it.

Hard cringe bro.

[NewHorizons_1]

15 minutes ago, WWDragon said:

if that DM used radar...

What use is radar? WG removed it's detection of subs at periscope depth in the current patch.

I suppose it could have excluded the possibility of a destroyer, but that's all

 

Edit: fixed quote source

[WWDragon]

Just now, UnderDuress said:

The sub surfaced about 4km away and if Notser wasn’t just messing around would have launched a full spread of torps that would have landed and killed the DM in about 2secs. So what would any of those things have done in the time between the DM getting detected and getting devstruck?

Hydro detects submarines at any depth. Radar detects submarines at periscope depth, DM have airstrike ASW and minimum range for then is 2km.

 

I see a lot of b-but here, I already said that you can kill ships with a sub with not much the ship could do but under specific circumstances, like this one were someone is taking the yacht out, if the argument is that subs cannot be countered then you have to show the target ship using their counters and then being ineffective, that means using radar, hydro and ASW, even DCP in case of guided torps, not "clueless player gets sunk, ship I am using is of course OP".

[WWDragon]

1 minute ago, NewHorizons_1 said:

What use is radar? WG removed it's detection of subs at periscope depth in the current patch.

They did? I thought they put it back ... they just switch things around so much that its hard to keep track of things.

DM still had hydro and that was changed to detect submarines at any depth or is going to change so does that, hard to keep track as I said ...