Fun tier 6 premium ships for operations?

[CaravellaCaravan]

Hello there.

 

I'm looking for a fun tier 6 premium ship to play on operations.

 

The ships i have interested: Béarn, Ise and Prinz Eitel Friedrich.

 

Ise is unique, Béarn looks unique and Prinz Eitel Friedrich i think has the best secondaries among tier 6.

 

Some cruisers looks fun too: De Grasse and Huanghe. I have played Huanghe as a rental and it was amazing ship to play, don't know if it's worth to get as i already have Perth.

 

I mostly play Co-op and operations and rarely Randoms.

 

Which ship should i get?

 

Thanks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Panocek]

Cruisers are universally tad fragile for Operations, though I'd be leaning towards London - heal, smoke, long lasting hydro and 203. Short ranged like Leander, but that is rarely an issue for Ops, slow reload can be bigger issue tho. Repulse/Warspite should be also decent picks and unlike WV, aren't crippled in speed department.

[MoveZig]

Mutsu is probably very good for ops where its downsides (terrible concealment, no AA, wonky armor) don't really matter.

[undutchable80]

I really like London for Ops; heal, smoke, torps, good guns. 

 

[SodaBubbles]

London can be good, but the AP feels weak.

De Grasse is great, as are Molotov and Buddy. 

 

I feel cruisers are the most fun since they're the best compromise between the risk and damage possibility. 

 

[Matchbreakers]

Duca d'Aosta is a decent choice, it is fast and very manouverable so you can control the engagement and position easily with it's low detection.

 

London as others have suggested.

 

Warspite, Dunkerque or Mutsu are probably better choices than the Prinz Eitel.

[BruceRKF]

For cruisers: De Grasse and Duca d'Aosta, both are fast and have decent DPM, which are imo the most important factors in operations. Molotov is decent as well with her insane guns, but she cannot overmatch t5 cruisers (contrary to all the 203 mm armed CAs) and does not have the CL DPM, so she lacks behind a little. Others mentioned London, but I find her quite terrible in ops because of her low range, anemic AP and bad DPM.

For battleships: Prinz Eitel Friedrich for the secondary memes or Dunkerque. Again, both are fast and reload more quickly than most BBs. Repulse or Novorossyisk could be fine as well, but I have not played them very often in ops, so can't say much about them.

For destroyers: Only one I would really recommend here: Aigle. She has excellent DPM (second for t6 DDs behind only Farragut) and big guns that can citadel cruisers of which there are plenty in ops. Extra speed boost and very high damage torps too, and her bad concealment doesn't really matter in operations.

[Purnylla]

I mostly use my London, P.E. Friedrich and Ark Royal for the T6 operations. Although I guess none of these are particular special or unique, but they work pretty well for me. 

 

In Narai, I love using my Scharnhorst and Atlanta. Can recommend both ships.

[Purnylla]

56 minutes ago, CaravellaCaravan said:

Ise is unique, Béarn looks unique and Prinz Eitel Friedrich i think has the best secondaries among tier 6.

You used to see quite a few Ise back when it released. I don't own the ship myself, but I guess the extra squadron could be useful.

Béarn certainly is unique, but with no rocket and torpedo bombers available, I doubt 'unique' is really useful. Ark Royal may be more traditional, but at least she has more tools to do damage.

P.E.Friedrich indeed seems to be the best secondary BB on that tier, although it's quite a dissapointment if you're used to T7 Scharnhorst. The range of the secondaries are rather short to be really useful, and the guns have a longer reload time than Scharnhorst. 

[Purnylla]

9 minutes ago, BruceRKF said:

Others mentioned London, but I find her quite terrible in ops because of her low range, anemic AP and bad DPM.

London has improved HE and I find it doing reliable damage in operations. Plus I do find the increased armor, hitpoints and heal very useful. Light cruisers may have a better DPM, but also sink quicker. Sunken ships don't do damage. I rather stay afloat, and London has reliable tools to do so. 

 

Although I guess you could also use the techtree Devonshire, which is pretty similar to London. 

[BruceRKF]

12 minutes ago, Purnylla said:

London has improved HE and I find it doing reliable damage in operations. Plus I do find the increased armor, hitpoints and heal very useful. Light cruisers may have a better DPM, but also sink quicker. Sunken ships don't do damage. I rather stay afloat, and London has reliable tools to do so. 

 

Although I guess you could also use the techtree Devonshire, which is pretty similar to London. 

Not sure why you would call London's HE "improved". One London HE shell does 50 more max damage than one of Pensacola's HE shells and London has only 8 guns guns at the same reload. Devonshire has noticeably better HE than London (more damage and higher fire chance, I guess you could call that one improved), as well as better AP shells, a bit more range, reloads faster and has a standard heal instead of London's minitiature one. London gives up a lot for that smoke. Devonshire is way better for ops, imo, but I would still prefer light cruisers. Once you know the spawn points and the AI's targeting practice, staying alive is not an issue.

[invicta2012]

Huang He is different to Perth (I actually prefer her gunnery, which is very hard-hitting on the low-Tier cruisers found in Ops). However I would question whether there's anything there you can't get from Leander. The same applies to lots of other premium cruisers - La Gal is as good as De Grasse, Devonshire as good as London, Nurnberg as good as Makarov or Molotov. 

 

I play CVS in Ops a lot - Ark Royal is very good (although her planes are slow, and the torpedo playstyle can also be had from Ryujio), Bearn is an interesting one which doesn't play like any other CV.

 

For DDs, Aigle is splendid.

 

BBs... not sure PEF's secondaries are all that, really. I would probably go with either Warspite (accurate, hits hard), Mutsu (good range, torpedoes are very handy) or Ise (which is a good BB as well as having the torpedo flight). 

 

 

[Purnylla]

19 minutes ago, BruceRKF said:

Not sure why you would call London's HE "improved". One London HE shell does 50 more max damage than one of Pensacola's HE shells and London has only 8 guns guns at the same reload. Devonshire has noticeably better HE than London (more damage and higher fire chance, I guess you could call that one improved), as well as better AP shells, a bit more range, reloads faster and has a standard heal instead of London's minitiature one. London gives up a lot for that smoke. Devonshire is way better for ops, imo, but I would still prefer light cruisers. Once you know the spawn points and the AI's targeting practice, staying alive is not an issue.

Don't British ships have improved penetration values of HE shells? (So, it's not about the raw damage, but more likely to penetrate). 

 

And while Devonshire might be better than London, Devonshire doesn't have the benefits that premium ships offer. 

[BruceRKF]

58 minutes ago, Purnylla said:

Don't British ships have improved penetration values of HE shells? (So, it's not about the raw damage, but more likely to penetrate). 

 

And while Devonshire might be better than London, Devonshire doesn't have the benefits that premium ships offer. 

Only the larger guns (234 mm upwards) have improved penetration, the 203 mm/8 inch guns have the standard 34 mm. For the tech tree only Drake and Goliath get the improved HE pen, everything until Albemarle does not.

[CaravellaCaravan]

Thanks.

 

Is Duca d'Aosta worth to get?

[VuilbaardGames]

Get one of the DDs for coal, won't cost you real money and still having "fun"

[Nov_A]

3 hours ago, CaravellaCaravan said:

The ships i have interested: Béarn, Ise and Prinz Eitel Friedrich.

 

Personal opinion, get the Ise. She may not be the most effective T6 BB in OPs, but she surely is the most fun one to play.

 

Béarn is generally advised against, like in your previous thread. She is hard to play, lacks effectiveness and her gimmicks are mostly not needed in OPs. PEF on the other hand is a good choice, but depends a lot on your captain. You can go full secondaries, which is fun and makes her unique to play, but if things go south in an OP, it could be hard to keep her working throughout the game, especially compared to stronger survivability choices like Warspite or Repulse. Huanghe lacks dpm and the smoke gimmick can be a curse or a blessing if your team breaks vision. De Grasse brings more firepower, utility and vision control, which makes her and London probably the best choices, yet both suffer from the team issue when your BBs are either not tanking, tanking bad or fail to make some shots.

 

DDs have the same problem and bots tend to prioritize them over anything else, which makes it even harder with low HP and firepower. If your game is on point and the team somewhat "not bad", specialized botes like Shino for torps or Aigle for gunboating can be an extremely strong addition. Shino is even free and Aigle available for coal, but if the OP goes sour, they will suffer hard.

 

tl;dr: Ise fun, Warspite good BB, London and de Grasse good cruiser, DDs kinda meh, Shino and Aigle can work.

[stefanorgano]

BBs: Repulse, Warspite, Dunkerque, Mutsu

Cruisers: De Grasse, Molotov, Duca d'Aosta

CVs: Ark Royal (Loewenhardt was removed unfortunately, that thing is busted)

DDs: none, they ALL suck in operations

 

Also keep in mind that tech tree ships usually perform BETTER than most of the above premiums. Few examples: Fuso, Pensacola, Budyonny, Bayern/Mackensen, Nürnberg, Devonshire, Leander, Ryujo. No DDs because they all suck in operations.

 

 

 

 

[Sams_Baneblade]

The Prinz Eitel is a pretty fun ship in ops, although it might not be the best one. Secondaries make a nice and efficient fireworks, though. I never get tired of her.

 

The Mutsu could be considered an alternative. Her secondaries lack the improved pen and a bit of range, but they are still numerous and the ship itself has a fast-reloading torpedo armament. She is a bit slower than the PE, but boasts huge guns.

The Ise is accurate, can engage targets at 20km and her planes allow her to stike anywhere on the map, including objectives lie the BBs on Killer Whale and the CVs on Raptor Rescue.
However, her rear superstructure and low mobility may become a problem if the situation gets hairy. She sucks in brawls and the damage output is low-ish due to its eight 356mm guns and awkward gunnery angles.
She is a fun and unique ship, tho.

The Béarn is probably one of the most uncommon carriers out there, but her main gimmick (fighters) is only useful in PVP. Her overall efficiency in Ops is MUCH lower than an Ark Royal's. The AP bombs are unreliable, compared to Ark's triple torpedo drops. Oh, and she's slow AF.

 

The Ark Royal has sluggish planes and has no fancy feature besides its fast regen and its iconic planes. but it's godlike when you know how o play her.

 

Other picks:
The Makarov has a tremendous and reliable damage output (38mm HE pen, 6s reload on 9 guns, 16.5km range), but it's squishy. It you know how not to get targeted first by bots, you'll be fine. Otherwise, you won't last long.

 

London is pretty solid on Aegis due to the broadside cruisers, but I find her DPM to be insufficient in other ops.

 

Perth, Huang He. Gimmickly fun, but overall very fragile and vulnerable as soon as their smoke is on cooldown. Damage output isn't the best.

 

The De Grasse and Duca d'Aosta are of the same breed. They can't take on head-on fights against bots, but they can attack objectives and retreat pretty fast. However, they struggle not to take damage against Kumas and such.

[Maris_Piper]

Mutsu, Dunkirk

London, 

Just ships I enjoy in T6 Opps 

[Bigruss42]

Yes as others have said, London and Mutsu are good, Mutsu hits hard and has torps which come in handy. I've have also had some good results with Repulse in operations.

[Panocek]

9 minutes ago, Sams_Baneblade said:

The Mutsu could be considered an alternative. Her secondaries lack the improved pen and a bit of range, but they are still numerous and the ship itself has a fast-reloading torpedo armament. She is a bit slower than the PE, but boasts huge guns.

"Huge guns" that have less pen than Fuso 356mm cannons, which may or may not prove an issue when interacting with BBs.

 

Still, there are plenty of solid tech tree ships, I don't quite see why one would deliberately buy premium ship just to play Ops, as often enough you have similar playstyle or even same class in tech tree. Leander, Pensacola, Nurnberg, Budyonny, Fuso, Queen Elizabeth, Trento are all battle-proven ships for Operations

[Verblonde]

6 hours ago, CaravellaCaravan said:

Which ship should i get?

IMO it depends a bit on your aims when playing Ops, and how good you are; I might suggest thinking along the following lines (comments don't really cover Newport, as I avoid that one most of the time):

• Don't forget your silver ships entirely; Ops is an excellent way of grinding T6 (and T7 in the case of Narai) ships, without getting interfered with by CVs or submarines. However, if your primary aim is grinding silver, you'll usually do better with a premium ship.
• Destroyers: all DDs are generally fragile (or very fragile); unless you are a DD-meister, they're a bad pick for Ops.
• Cruisers: if you're good in them, play whatever you like (there are several good suggestions already); if you're less good, something with a heal is a good idea. I like London a lot for this sort of thing; if Graf Spee ever returns, she's a good pick for T6 Ops as well (bonus points for extra silver with the optional 'National' permaflage.
• Battleships: Warspite is good (you've probably got her already; she also has a 'National' permaflage available), if a bit slow; Mutsu is useful as well (the torps come in surprisingly useful); I find Dunk to be one of the better picks - although she's a bit fragile at times, the forward-firing guns are worthwhile, and I think she's one of the faster options. I occasionally take the Americans (Arizona, particularly), but the low speed is often frustrating.
• Carriers: Ops is one of the few places you can play a CV with a clear conscience. Ark Royal is the only sensible premium pick at the moment (Loewenhardt is outstanding, but no longer available), and good fun in Ops. Béarn can be fun, but her lack of torps (and slow hull) make her rather sub-optimal for Ops; her main party-piece (fighters) is only usable in one Op too, as far as I can recall.

All that assumes you're after 'optimal'; once you've got the hang of each Op (such that you know what's going to happen, when, and where), you can play pretty much anything...

[Northern_Nightowl]

Vor 1 Stunde, Panocek sagte:

Still, there are plenty of solid tech tree ships, I don't quite see why one would deliberately buy premium ship just to play Ops, as often enough you have similar playstyle or even same class in tech tree. Leander, Pensacola, Nurnberg, Budyonny, Fuso, Queen Elizabeth, Trento are all battle-proven ships for Operations

Economics and captain training? You'll have an advantage in switching commanders around, earning XP and maybe credits and you will save upon your camo stock, unless, of course, you got a permacamo on a tech tree ship.

 

And why did nobody mention the (HSF) Graf Spee? True, you'll have to wait for a possible revival of the HSF cooperation to get one, but otherwise, it should be a decent pick: heal, 8km torps, large 28cm guns (albeit only 6 of them), sufficiently fast for Ops.

 

Regards, Nightowl

[Verblonde]

1 minute ago, Northern_Nightowl said:

And why did nobody mention the (HSF) Graf Spee? True, you'll have to wait for a possible revival of the HSF cooperation to get one, but otherwise, it should be a decent pick: heal, 8km torps, large 28cm guns (albeit only 6 of them), sufficiently fast for Ops.

I did; it's worth making the distinction between the two versions (HSF versus vanilla) though, as the HSF version doesn't have the 'extra credits' permaflage available.

 

(I've got a feeling HSF Graf Spee was one of the very first premiums I bought, so I have a bit of a soft spot for her...)