What to do against Subs

[riquelmeone]

Hi everyone,

I hope I do not need to stand corrected when I say the majority of players does not approve of subs being in the game.
As a non-involved player I just casually play the game for fun to relax myself.
However, recently, fun has been minimal.
I do not really care about people wining in videos, streams or other channels, and neither does probably WG, and therefore thought it would be better to use the game itself to send a message.

I would therefore like to suggest the following to the EU player base for the remainder of April.

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Forget any rule that you learned about the game so far and just fully charge into the enemy when there are subs in the matchmaking.

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If we want to get WG's attention, I think this is the best option. Do not let meaningless statistics or win rates get in your way and just quit battles with subs for a greater good.
Speak through actions.

[KratosTheUnforgiving]

problem is WG will eventually send you to co-op, if you continue eventually suspended access for a period of time and could in theory ban you consistent breach of rules, as they do not like players actually taking group action. Look at the disinformation and lies about CC's leaving.

[Ronchabale]

Yeah, nice idea but I am not sure if WG cares if we play or not as long as we pay

Also I am pretty sure that since you suggest sabotaging the game that this thread is gonna be closed soon 

[Kruzenstern]

What would not result in bans to coop would be everyone going yolo... That could actually make for funner battles too

[riquelmeone]

6 minutes ago, Paranoid_Potato said:

problem is WG will eventually send you to co-op, if you continue eventually suspended access for a period of time and could in theory ban you consistent breach of rules, as they do not like players actually taking group action. Look at the disinformation and lies about CC's leaving.

Probably good point. Was just frustrated.

[Yedwy]

2 minutes ago, Kruzenstern said:

What would not result in bans to coop would be everyone going yolo... That could actually make for funner battles too

After some recent experiences with a Balao thats exactly what I am doing those thigns are worse then the f CVs

[riquelmeone]

4 minutes ago, Kruzenstern said:

What would not result in bans to coop would be everyone going yolo... That could actually make for funner battles too

Took your suggestion to heart :)

[lovelacebeer]

I’m avoiding random battles like the plague while subs are being tested there. 
 

It would honestly be interesting to see how WG would react if everyone opposed to how WG are developing subs suddenly stopped playing randoms.

[KratosTheUnforgiving]

Wasn't a weekend boycott organised a year or two ago, did it actually do anything to change WG, nope, as nobody was probably in the WG office to notice or care.

 

We've all been around long enough that WG will not change, they make noise, plead to be forgiven, they do the bare minimum of being cuddly new WG and then back to be backstabbing <insert your favourite swear word accurately describing WG> when the next cash incentive shows up.

 

Only proven way so far, which sadly also did little, was the bad PR from CCs quitting and even then the PR tried to spin WG to be the victims, want to hurt WG, hit their bank balance and don't sped any cash, sadly too many newbies falling in to the money pit trap !

[Axilian_1]

On 4/4/2022 at 5:11 PM, lovelacebeer said:

I’m avoiding random battles like the plague while subs are being tested there. 
 

It would honestly be interesting to see how WG would react if everyone opposed to how WG are developing subs suddenly stopped playing randoms.

I'm =avoiding this  sub garbage by not playing at all.

 

They've been warned multiple times and tbh the only time they've shown any sign of listening was when their income was threatened (and then only until things died down after which they've gone back to their dishonest ways)

[Karasu_Browarszky]

I just had a retarded experience against a sub. There's no counterplay after you use DCP once. The next ping comes in about 20 secs after that and then the torps hit. Sub not spotted, your joke ASW option reduced to.. not even worth wasting time on.

 

I'm either going to have to avoid randoms altogether, or.. not move from spawn location/line, just cruising back and forth till the sub is sunk.

[deathsadow]

Best to do against subs is stop buying stuff from WG ... if their income drops rapidly due to subs , they will counter subs for us by getting rid of that garbage concept from the game.

 

Jokes aside .. i dont have the slightest clue on how to counter subs ... whenever i try to kill on it just dives & get away.

[deathsadow]

4 hours ago, Paranoid_Potato said:

Wasn't a weekend boycott organised a year or two ago, did it actually do anything to change WG, nope, as nobody was probably in the WG office to notice or care.

 

We've all been around long enough that WG will not change, they make noise, plead to be forgiven, they do the bare minimum of being cuddly new WG and then back to be backstabbing <insert your favourite swear word accurately describing WG> when the next cash incentive shows up.

 

Only proven way so far, which sadly also did little, was the bad PR from CCs quitting and even then the PR tried to spin WG to be the victims, want to hurt WG, hit their bank balance and don't sped any cash, sadly too many newbies falling in to the money pit trap !

Guess player boycott only make WG do anything if it hits their revenue ... they dont care if we dont play for the weekend if the whales will still spend on the game. But if most of the paying players start not to pay due to subs ... subs would be gone for good in a few day.

[illy]

right now the best way is not to play, they are ridiculous in their current implementation, seriously this is really the best WG could do? This is really their best work? Complete joke

[SodaBubbles]

I am avoiding Randoms as well. Not much point in playing garbage matches with 2 CVs and 2 subs. Obviously the devs don't play the game.

[Nagine]

15 hours ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

There's no counterplay after you use DCP once. The next ping comes in about 20 secs after that and then the torps hit.

A similar thing could be said about HE spam fire counterplay. Somehow experienced players find a way... Hint - you don't need to use DCP immediately after ping, and if you already see a torp you know where there is the sub, so can react accordingly.

[Yedwy]

57 minutes ago, Nagine said:

A similar thing could be said about HE spam fire counterplay. Somehow experienced players find a way... Hint - you don't need to use DCP immediately after ping, and if you already see a torp you know where there is the sub, so can react accordingly.

Yeah except you can usually see the HE spammer while its spamming you and can respond to that and with a sub you dont see her

[Nagine]

14 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

Yeah except you can usually see the HE spammer while its spamming you and can respond to that and with a sub you dont see her

Even if that HE spammer is in smoke or behind a hill? 

[Yedwy]

3 minutes ago, Nagine said:

Even if that HE spammer is in smoke or behind a hill? 

So you can move to see it or smoke runs out and they you see it, sub is still invisible... 

[Nagine]

Just now, Yedwy said:

So you can move to see it or smoke runs out and they you see it, sub is still invisible... 

 

Interesting, how bravely BB can rush into smoke or behind hills to deal with that invisible HE spammer, which often has torps ready... Yet, maneuvering (or using ranged ASW) to counter a sub with LIMITED diving ability is absolutely impossible.

[Yedwy]

7 minutes ago, Nagine said:

Interesting, how bravely BB can rush into smoke or behind hills to deal with that invisible HE spammer, which often has torps ready... Yet, maneuvering (or using ranged ASW) to counter a sub with LIMITED diving ability is absolutely impossible.

Dude honestly, the other day I was literally deleted by a Balao in my Ncal I didnt see any indication of her presence untill 80kt torps appeared 2km from me full broadside and my DD was like 7-8km away roughly in that same direction so dont give me that cr*p

[Nagine]

1 minute ago, Yedwy said:

Dude honestly, the other day I was literally deleted by a Balao in my Ncal I didnt see any indication of her presence untill 80kt torps appeared 2km from me full broadside and my DD was like 7-8km away roughly in that same direction so dont give me that cr*p

Are you also start dodging DD torps only when you see them? You know, DDs are also a class that can be "invisible" to a friendly DD 7 km away, and also have a habit to make torps suddenly appear.

BTW, I am not trying to say that it is easy to avoid homing torps, but countering subs for me is easier and more fun than countering CVs (no matter the class). And it is definitely possible.

[Admiral_H_Nelson]

6 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

Dude honestly, the other day I was literally deleted by a Balao in my Ncal I didnt see any indication of her presence untill 80kt torps appeared 2km from me full broadside and my DD was like 7-8km away roughly in that same direction so dont give me that cr*p

Exactly. A great illustration of how the current implementation is still broken.

...as was the one before that

....and the one before that

....and the one before that

 

FFS Wargaming, just admit that you cannot get submarines to fit the game, anymore than you can fit Combat Hippos into the game.

(Though I'm betting on the Hippos being the "least worst" option)

[deathsadow]

2 hours ago, Admiral_H_Nelson said:

Exactly. A great illustration of how the current implementation is still broken.

...as was the one before that

....and the one before that

....and the one before that

 

FFS Wargaming, just admit that you cannot get submarines to fit the game, anymore than you can fit Combat Hippos into the game.

(Though I'm betting on the Hippos being the "least worst" option)

They know they cant implement it well ... but did it bothered them when they added CVs or reworked them .... why should they start caring now ?

[Karasu_Browarszky]

6 hours ago, Nagine said:

A similar thing could be said about HE spam fire counterplay. Somehow experienced players find a way... Hint - you don't need to use DCP immediately after ping, and if you already see a torp you know where there is the sub, so can react accordingly.

 

You know the bearing, but what can you do with that knowledge?