Super ships and its camos giving a 5000 DB for just 150% XP bonus is crazy

[VedranSeaWolf359]

On begin I must say that I am not impressed with super ships it is slow an poor maneuverable as hell even CL and easy for destroy, only DD and CV United States is good for me, and I look Forward to see French Patrie BB.

 

Now for camos for super ships I think that is crazy pay for it 5000 DB while it give us only 150% XP Bonus. 

You don't give it bonuses for servicing cost and credit bonus OK but then you must give something more then just 150% of XP bonus to make it worth buying

 

I suggest something like:

150% XP Bonus

75% Commander XP bonus

50% FXP bonus

 

That camo for Superships will be worth spending of 5000 DB on it!

 

@YabbaCoe, @Seraphice, @Leo_Apollo11

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Yeah it doesn't make sense to give a 150%xp bonus for a ship you don't need XP for without giving credit bonuses. 

Also

 

Looks like no one likes superships and people don't want to spend money on this game anymore. 

[Yedwy]

Combat bonuses

+

100% standard XP

150% captain XP

200% free XP

 

Thats more in the line with what would make sense

[PeteEarthling]

There should not be any bonus for playing these things.

[Verblonde]

11 minutes ago, VedranSeaWolf359 said:

Now for camos for super ships I think that is crazy pay for it 5000 DB while it give us only 150% XP Bonus. 

You don't give it bonuses for servicing cost and credit bonus OK but then you must give something more then just 150% of XP bonus to make it worth buying

This.

 

Well, it does answer a question I vaguely had: superships as a whole don't interest me, but is there any way to make them economically viable (specifically, via permaflage) if I fancied - say - giving Super-Shima a bit of a lash? The short answer appears to be 'no'.

 

Why would WG think that even an inveterate whale like me would want to spend 5,000 doubloons (just shy of 14 quid in UKP) on a permaflage that does nothing for the economy, and gives an almost entirely worthless bonus besides the usual ones? I get that superships are *supposed* to be economically non-viable, but in that case more or less 'pure aesthetics' permaflage needs to be a *lot* cheaper to be an attractive proposition.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

4 minutes ago, Verblonde said:

This.

 

Well, it does answer a question I vaguely had: superships as a whole don't interest me, but is there any way to make them economically viable (specifically, via permaflage) if I fancied - say - giving Super-Shima a bit of a lash? The short answer appears to be 'no'.

 

Why would WG think that even an inveterate whale like me would want to spend 5,000 doubloons (just shy of 14 quid in UKP) on a permaflage that does nothing for the economy, and gives an almost entirely worthless bonus besides the usual ones? I get that superships are *supposed* to be economically non-viable, but in that case more or less 'pure aesthetics' permaflage needs to be a *lot* cheaper to be an attractive proposition.

it needs to be cheaper for you to buy it but there is always someone who makes a purchase. And since its a low effort digital goody they don't lose out on you not buying it. 

[Leo_Apollo11]

Hi all,

 

Long ago (years and years) I decided NOT to buy permanent cammos for my ships...

 

I only bought them for my 1st two Tier X BBs (and will NEVER repeat that):

• Yamato
• Montana

 

Leo "Apollo11"

[Yosha_AtaIante]

1 minute ago, Leo_Apollo11 said:

Hi all,

 

Long ago (years and years) I decided NOT to buy permanent cammos for my ships...

 

I only bought them for my 1st two Tier X BBs (and will NEVER repeat that):

• Yamato
• Montana

 

Leo "Apollo11"

thanks for your story. It's really touching 

[Verblonde]

26 minutes ago, Yuu5Eleven said:

it needs to be cheaper for you to buy it but there is always someone who makes a purchase. And since its a low effort digital goody they don't lose out on you not buying it. 

You're half right (the first part), and you may be entirely right: it'll depend on whether the bulk of the customer base can work out that the value proposition for the permaflage is - IMO, of course - weak, compared to the free one-use alternatives that most people have no shortage of.

 

Basically, does the number of sales at 5,000 doubloons out-strip those that would have been made at a lower price or not?

 

My supposition is that the bulk of supership players won't be thrashing the nuts off them (for economic reasons; unless you're very good, it looks likely that other tiers will need to be played to fund the superships), and that argues against getting expensive permaflage, as you'll get fewer uses out of it. Even if you pay doubloons for the semi-equivalent (only +100% xp) one-use (and why would you when you have freebies?), you don't break even until you hit a hundred battles:

 

 

Essentially, what WG are proposing here is for people to pay the same as the (already expensive) T10 permaflages, with the same vulnerabilities (per @Leo_Apollo11), but with comparatively poorer benefits; assuming WG's aim is maximum ROI (the 'I' bit being the staff time to create and market the things), I think they may struggle with this particular offer.

 

[Seraphice]

Hello!

I understand that this is a concern. However do keep in mind this also affects free XP and commander XP, as these values are calculated off of the regular xp value, not base xp value.

Also we do not force anyone to buy such a camouflage for these ships, it is purely optional, but I will forward your concerns.

 

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

[black_falcon120]

1 hour ago, VedranSeaWolf359 said:

On begin I must say that I am not impressed with super ships it is slow an poor maneuverable as hell even CL and easy for destroy, only DD and CV United States is good for me, and I look Forward to see French Patrie BB.

 

Now for camos for super ships I think that is crazy pay for it 5000 DB while it give us only 150% XP Bonus. 

You don't give it bonuses for servicing cost and credit bonus OK but then you must give something more then just 150% of XP bonus to make it worth buying

 

I suggest something like:

150% XP Bonus

75% Commander XP bonus

50% FXP bonus

 

That camo for Superships will be worth spending of 5000 DB on it!

 

@YabbaCoe, @Seraphice, @Leo_Apollo11

Why aren’t you complaining about alternative permanent camouflages for premium ships?  That’s even worse value…

[Verblonde]

12 minutes ago, Seraphice said:

However do keep in mind this also affects free XP and commander XP, as these values are calculated off of the regular xp value, not base xp value.

Also we do not force anyone to buy such a camouflage for these ships, it is purely optional, but I will forward your concerns.

I did actually wonder about mentioning that first part in my previous posts, but didn't think too many people would be dim enough to not know about the relationship between regular xp and the other types.

 

Of course no-one is being forced to buy the things; my point is that - at that price, and given that there is very little benefit compared to one-use equivalents - the numbers of customers who are likely to is lower than would be the case at a lower price-point. That assumes there is no appetite to improve the bonuses.

[BLUB__BLUB]

1 hour ago, Yuu5Eleven said:

Yeah it doesn't make sense to give a 150%xp bonus for a ship you don't need XP for without giving credit bonuses. 

Also

 

Looks like no one likes superships and people don't want to spend money on this game anymore. 

Somehow they gave me two "Super-CVs"... but why would you BUY a camo for temporary ships???? 

Now wait until I have a really really bad day, and I feel like griefing...  

[JoeSparkx]

Have to admit previously I was a whale (Not so eager to open my wallet thesedays), i bought permaflages for most of my tier 10's (i've got at least 28 of them, i know i know...). The Super Permaflages, would be a big no no.

 

28 minutes ago, Seraphice said:

Hello!

I understand that this is a concern. However do keep in mind this also affects free XP and commander XP, as these values are calculated off of the regular xp value, not base xp value.

Also we do not force anyone to buy such a camouflage for these ships, it is purely optional, but I will forward your concerns.

 

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

 

I am currently sitting on roughly 1000 single use that have either a similar or better modifier on them. There is no incentive for me to pay that much for little gain.

 

Cost/Reward ratio is skewed to the cost side, the ratio should be balanced instead of Balans.

 

Would be a big nope, does not make logical sense for me to purchase one.

[ZeuSueZ1337]

Justifying perma camosis is looonge overdue with the amount of camos you can obtain for free. They are way to expensive in hard currency if you look at what you get.

On the other hand it's hell'O expensive to pay service fee when sailing t9/tX --- and yeah, t* it seems like.

Sadly WG still advertises this game as free-to-play and while its true at first glance we all know it's fair to regard this view as "alternative facts"

Even tho they have changed the stance on loot-boxes and the chance of winning/risk of wasting your money lately.

Fwiw it's also why the -10% service flag was removed afaik, too reduce the amount of credits players can obtain.

 

Put it bluntly; Superships = credit purge for hoarders. They want players to purchase credits in the long run, i.e. introduce a class that for the west majority of the player base will cost credits to sail.

Unless I'm missing something it seems to be really that simple. Alas it could be a severe case of "spreadsheet says da", but I doubt it.

There is also the slight chance of introducing extra-fancy l00t come snowflakes/christmas and/or WoWs b-day events only obtainable with those sUpAh ShIpS, thus "forcing" us to purchase em' *sic*

I any case I'm not atm ready to fork over ~400m credits for 8 boats I'm not gonna use one bit. But they could serve as mighty fine port queens xD

Now this could change in the future, but for now I'm gonna "trust in god and keep the powder (credits) dry"

 

One a closing note it really don't appears that the "we're listening to the community"-pledge is worth the, well, not paper but page it's written on.

Unless it's not implemented yet, or something like that....

The end.

 

 

[Gnirf]

Well if we want superships to be expensive (personally I do not want them in game) to run it is good that it is XP benifits which vcan be used for missions etc.

I have bought permacamos to most T10s and have plenty of single-use camos that have 20-30% credits f.e. Ocean Soul and even lots of For Meritious service have never touched these.

 

I have been more careful which camos I use in anticipation for the superships as I hardly will buy any permacamo, only if the supply of one-use will go down tremendously. 

[WWDragon]

1 hour ago, Seraphice said:

Hello!

I understand that this is a concern. However do keep in mind this also affects free XP and commander XP, as these values are calculated off of the regular xp value, not base xp value.

Also we do not force anyone to buy such a camouflage for these ships, it is purely optional, but I will forward your concerns.

 

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

And I keep in mind the cost of a Tier 6/7 ship that comes with ... you guess it, a permanent cammo.

 

Also excuse me for saying this but do you people actually learn anything? Salem is one of the oldest Premium T10 and originally her permanent cammo was worst that Des Moines cammo in economical terms, sure that got changed later but when the exact same mistakes are committed over and over and over one must wonder ...

 

 

[ThePurpleSmurf]

3 hours ago, Yuu5Eleven said:

Yeah it doesn't make sense to give a 150%xp bonus for a ship you don't need XP for without giving credit bonuses. 

Also

 

Looks like no one likes superships and people don't want to spend money on this game anymore. 

Ship XP directly converts to Commander XP and a percentage to Elite Commander XP as well as Free XP.

Superships are meant to break your bank and give you little benefits in return, otherwise everyone would only play them to bully T9's.

[Wulf_Ace]

3 hours ago, Leo_Apollo11 said:

Hi all,

 

Long ago (years and years) I decided NOT to buy permanent cammos for my ships...

 

I only bought them for my 1st two Tier X BBs (and will NEVER repeat that):

• Yamato
• Montana

 

Leo "Apollo11"

i am more frustrated that for 5 000 doublons that camo doesnt look anything special, hell i would pay 5000 doublons just if it looks cool,not for some bonuses.

only camo i buyed was that on Schnarhorst, that shark one, looks cool on him.

[Hades_warrior]

2 hours ago, Wulf_Ace said:

i am more frustrated that for 5 000 doublons that camo doesnt look anything special, hell i would pay 5000 doublons just if it looks cool,not for some bonuses.

only camo i buyed was that on Schnarhorst, that shark one, looks cool on him.

why spending doubloons on a perma camo for a Premium ship that already have perma camo but different?

[Verblonde]

31 minutes ago, Hades_warrior said:

why spending doubloons on a perma camo for a Premium ship that already have perma camo but different?

Because she looks pretty in a new dress:

 

[Aetius85]

just don't play these aberrations

[Hades_warrior]

2 hours ago, Verblonde said:

Because she looks pretty in a new dress:

 

Women looks pretty in any dress.

[ChaosMachineGR]

For me, imho about the camos on Super Ship's. Well, is Super Ship's yes? Make it like Tier 10's plus FreeXP like 50%. Make the player's want's to play with the Super Ship's. Decisions like this, high cost service, ok is super ship but the camo? This is out of the mind, illogical, make more angry the community. I now sounds funny to make the same rewards like Tier 10's but this is my opinion. Greetings everyone. 

[Yedwy]

5 hours ago, Hades_warrior said:

Pretty women look pretty in any dress.

FTFY