SUB POLL for the benefit of YABBACOE.

[Migantium_Mashum]

Yabbacoe seems to be under the illusion that only just over 50% of players are against SUBS in Randoms or are only for them in their own game mode.

 

Here is the opportunity to show him what the members of this forum think.

 

Be honest, make a comment if you wish.

[AkerJack]

Even if the most part of the players don't want to have subs the forum represents a small part of it and they will always use this against us, not knowing what the base really wants and the feeling about it.

[Nov_A]

*ahem*

 

"Silent majority"

 

*leaves*

[anonym_cwVecOS6ecVy]

47 minutes ago, Migantium_Mashum said:

Yabbacoe seems to be under the illusion that only just over 50% of players are against SUBS in Randoms or are only for them in their own game mode.

 

Here is the opportunity to show him what the members of this forum think.

 

Be honest, make a comment if you wish.

Remember @YabbaCoe collects data from various sources, just because a poll says 99% of people do not want subs in the game that does not mean the majority of players does not want subs. 

[lovelacebeer]

The problem is no matter how many polls there are on WOWS twitch stream, forum plus the overwhelmingly negative feedback on their Instagram and Facebook pages, WG will always choose to write this off as the supposed vocal minority. 
 

I can only presume they must go by how many people try playing subs in game or persist in playing in random battles where subs are present.
 

Therefore WG can confidently come to the conclusion that most players will meekly submit to the introduction of subs, and will press ahead regardless of any negative feedback as mentioned previously. 

[quickr]

We can have a poll every day, on every imaginable social media, forums, reddit, whatever, for the next 12 months.... Each and every one of those polls, I'm 100% sure, would say people don't want subs in randoms and yet, some WG employee of the month will come here and insult our intelligence by saying "oh, but you read the data wrong" or "we did an internal poll and it's overweeningly positive"

 

So why bother? Ignore WG shills, stop paying them money, uninstall if you can. Do whatever you think is right. Do it for yourself. WG and wows won't go anywhere. There's too many 45%WR whales who just wanna pew pew some boats.

[anonym_cwVecOS6ecVy]

If you have ever pressed "G" you are calculated as pro sub vote no matter what you have voted for in any poll.

[BanzaiPiluso]

SUbs are hard to find and catch now, and as there are less dds in the game plus the ever spottin CVs they can sneak through and do as they want.

Not playing again in randoms. Even in co-ops they are difficult to kill with DC.

[Shaka_D]

I enjoy having subs in the game. Like everything else, they need refinement (maybe a little more), but imho they belong as part of the genre. Voted yes.

[Migantium_Mashum]

4 minutes ago, Shaka_D said:

I enjoy having subs in the game. Like everything else, they need refinement (maybe a little more), but imho they belong as part of the genre. Voted yes.

This is an open Poll where, as far as I am concerned, you are welcome to vote and comment; even if you do like Subs lolz....

[hellhound666]

50 minutes ago, Von_Pruss said:

Remember @YabbaCoe collects data from various sources,

lol ...

he is being told from piter what to say about anything game related

[Yedwy]

Voted in their own mode, for whatever use it will be... 

[Maris_Piper]

At the end of the day Wargambling don't give a flying  about anything we say unless it proves to slow the flow of £$ and Euro's. Page after Page of suggestions both good and bad on all subjects From CV's Captain Skills Cash Grab to Subs and Now Support Carriers with the stun bomb brain fart, All just given the WG finger with a few Sarcastic comments thrown in for good measure basically they dream it up and we get it in the teeth, Ce'st la Vie with WeeGee 

[Shaka_D]

1 hour ago, Migantium_Mashum said:

Here is the opportunity to show him what the members of this forum think. Be honest, make a comment if you wish.

Edit: Lol, I accidentally posted the first line of my post. Was still further editing it so it looks like it's appearing again. Not sure what I did there! But here is the full post.

 

Thanks. I enjoy having subs in the game. Like everything else, they need refinement (maybe a little more), but imho they belong as part of the genre. Voted yes.

 

If popular demand (and I mean legitimate, validated popular demand) one day cries for their removal from the game, then I'll respect that is the will of the majority. But I am definitely not currently convinced most people do not want subs (other than the minority of the playerbase who enjoy contributing to the forums). Could it be that unhappiness can lead people to complain, visit the forums, partake in polls / surveys, seek out others similarly unhappy who then in turn reinforce and amplify their own unhappiness, leading to a false consensus that everyone is unhappy? On the other hand, positivity and satisfaction with a product are less contagious. Maybe people who are satisfied and who perhaps take the game less seriously have far less incentive to take part in polling or surveys, therefore excluding their vote and thus obfuscating the results of any polling. Also. perhaps some people here are too afraid of admitting anything for fear of being ostracized or downvoted? I used to, once upon a time. Maybe there are others? Either way, it doesn't look like subs are going away and maybe it's time we all come to terms with that and decide what is is we're going to do, leave or stay?

[SilentEnimLegesInterArma]

I mean - some people pay money to have a girl stomp on their balls... so there are bound to be players who like 2 or 3 subs(andCV) in their matches. :shrugg:

 

it would be half as bad if ppl would use minimap and positioning to engage those threats...

[SodaBubbles]

3 minutes ago, Shaka_D said:

Edit: Lol, I accidentally posted the first line of my post. Was still further editing it so it looks like it's appearing again. Not sure what I did there! But here is the full post.

 

Thanks. I enjoy having subs in the game. Like everything else, they need refinement (maybe a little more), but imho they belong as part of the genre. Voted yes.

 

If popular demand (and I mean legitimate, validated popular demand) one day cries for their removal from the game, then I'll respect that is the will of the majority. But I am definitely not currently convinced most people do not want subs (other than the minority of the playerbase who enjoy contributing to the forums). Could it be that unhappiness can lead people to complain, visit the forums, partake in polls / surveys, seek out others similarly unhappy who then in turn reinforce and amplify their own unhappiness, leading to a false consensus that everyone is unhappy? On the other hand, positivity and satisfaction with a product are less contagious. Maybe people who are satisfied and who perhaps take the game less seriously have far less incentive to take part in polling or surveys, therefore excluding their vote and thus obfuscating the results of any polling. Also. perhaps some people here are too afraid of admitting anything for fear of being ostracized or downvoted? I used to, once upon a time. Maybe there are others? Either way, it doesn't look like subs are going away and maybe it's time we all come to terms with that and decide what is is we're going to do, leave or stay?

 

If the absolute mountain of evidence, from all the comments on FB, on twitter, the innumerable polls on all forums, the screaming at subs in Randoms, the random expressions of contempt for them in-game, etc, can't convince you that the playerbase doesnt want subs, nothing will. Essentially, you've decided to dismiss all the evidence, in favor of your own preferences. It's ok, that's the human thing to do.

*"it's a vocal minority" argument: recall that the vast majority of people here are lurkers, as are most people answereing the poll. The number of posters is tiny. There is no reason to think the people voting are unrepresentative of the playerbase. 

[OldSchoolFrankie]

WG Staff defends WG Stuff, not really surprising and very likely without alternative for the people, even if it sometimes seems like they've lost their backbone.

[NewHorizons_1]

The main problem with subs are the homing torpedoes on surface ships and the pitiful countermeasure they have.

I suspect subs would be more widely accepted if

1) Submarines could only ping another sub. Surface ships would need to be targeted, by subs, like all other torpedo armed ships, ie with the aim indicator

or

2) Or give surface ships dedicated "Acoustic Decoy" feature that has a much shorter cool down than DCP

 

Also, it might also be an idea to put a message in chat to indicate a sub player has used their hydrophone, just like surface ships do with Hydroacoustic search.

That way the rest of the team know that their sub is (at least) trying to take on his opposite number.

 

The homing torpedo counter measure we have is probably quite able to be countered itself.

I could easily imagine a sub player waiting for a surface ship to use DCP, to control fires or fix a rudder/engine etc, and then ping the ship.

Doesn't really make sense that you can't use an anti-homing countermeasure just because the crew have recently used a fire hose or some spanners.

[Procrastes]

5 hours ago, Von_Pruss said:

Remember @YabbaCoe collects data from various sources, just because a poll says 99% of people do not want subs in the game that does not mean the majority of players does not want subs. 

So what I'm hearing is, Wargaming have a guy in St Petersburg whose name is Varius Sorciz, and that guy is their authority on player opinion with regard to CV:s and subs?

[Kruzenstern]

51 minutes ago, Shaka_D said:

Edit: Lol, I accidentally posted the first line of my post. Was still further editing it so it looks like it's appearing again. Not sure what I did there! But here is the full post.

 

Thanks. I enjoy having subs in the game. Like everything else, they need refinement (maybe a little more), but imho they belong as part of the genre. Voted yes.

 

If popular demand (and I mean legitimate, validated popular demand) one day cries for their removal from the game, then I'll respect that is the will of the majority. But I am definitely not currently convinced most people do not want subs (other than the minority of the playerbase who enjoy contributing to the forums). Could it be that unhappiness can lead people to complain, visit the forums, partake in polls / surveys, seek out others similarly unhappy who then in turn reinforce and amplify their own unhappiness, leading to a false consensus that everyone is unhappy? On the other hand, positivity and satisfaction with a product are less contagious. Maybe people who are satisfied and who perhaps take the game less seriously have far less incentive to take part in polling or surveys, therefore excluding their vote and thus obfuscating the results of any polling. Also. perhaps some people here are too afraid of admitting anything for fear of being ostracized or downvoted? I used to, once upon a time. Maybe there are others? Either way, it doesn't look like subs are going away and maybe it's time we all come to terms with that and decide what is is we're going to do, leave or stay?

If people don't use easily available channels to make their opinion known, then they should be taken just like they are: Not interested in the matter. So their voice doesn't count. We had a referendum like 2 years ago where only 30% of the people who could have voted did so. But they had their chance, and the decision was made according to that vote. WG is just abusing the silent majority BS to push through their silly agenda.

[Verblonde]

I voted 'no', although my real feelings are rather more nuanced:

• Submarines in their current form are a "hells, no!", and are actively encouraging me to play less.
• The key problem for me is the dcp-mitigated pings in particular; I'm undecided about homing torps if they could be mitigated by something else.
• My strong suspicion is that submarines belong in their own mode; this is due to the fundamental problems with - in particular - DD-sub interaction. WG claim that the premier anti-submarine weapon is depth-charges, and we all know how well it goes using them, given that you essentially have to run the submarine over to use them in most cases.
• If submarines can be fixed, I could easily be transferred to the 'vehement yes' camp, but I don't see any will from WG in this direction - they are under the delusion that what they have is basically good enough.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

2 hours ago, Kruzenstern said:

If people don't use easily available channels to make their opinion known, then they should be taken just like they are: Not interested in the matter. So their voice doesn't count. We had a referendum like 2 years ago where only 30% of the people who could have voted did so. But they had their chance, and the decision was made according to that vote. WG is just abusing the silent majority BS to push through their silly agenda.

game development has nothing to do with what the community wants. The game isn't made after the communities wishes but according to the developers view and if the player disagrees with developers decisions but continues playing and suffering therefore its certainly not the developers problem. 

 

Just play a different game. The devs have no obligations towards you. They might aswell close the servers tomorrow and gtfo and that's it.

[cracktrackflak]

Lets put CVs and Subs in a separate game mode called "convoy".

 

• This neatly pits the CV over-spotting vs. the sub over-concealment. Searching, detecting, avoiding and interception strategy can be the core game features.
• The convoy ships are bots, so they won't care anyway.
• Other classes can join in if they wish.

 

[lorcon_1]

just had a game  T10 SUB, CV, T11 SATSUMA  the CV i can put up with at a long push. the T11 series is another power creep cash grab. and SUBS of any kind should not be in this game unless in their own mode where you have the choice of playing that mode or not. I have played the game for quite a while now and in the past been a bit of a whale but no more no  more cash being flushed down the drain of a company that does not listen  oh ill play but if i get put  in a match with a sub ill just sail shoot and die and for that i apologize in advance to the people that it affects

[BLUB__BLUB]

2 hours ago, Verblonde said:

I voted 'no', although my real feelings are rather more nuanced:

• Submarines in their current form are a "hells, no!", and are actively encouraging me to play less.
• The key problem for me is the dcp-mitigated pings in particular; I'm undecided about homing torps if they could be mitigated by something else.
• My strong suspicion is that submarines belong in their own mode; this is due to the fundamental problems with - in particular - DD-sub interaction. WG claim that the premier anti-submarine weapon is depth-charges, and we all know how well it goes using them, given that you essentially have to run the submarine over to use them in most cases.
• If submarines can be fixed, I could easily be transferred to the 'vehement yes' camp, but I don't see any will from WG in this direction - they are under the delusion that what they have is basically good enough.

Well, TBH @YabbaCoe did listen - just that maybe we should scream harder. 

Weegee DID do something about the ping and the guided torps, just NOT ENOUGH. 

 

In some iteration on the test server, subs were actually quite good. 

It was the one where they emitted "bubbles" when underwater, if they moved - and were NOT deep enough. 

They also fixed the "6 m cheese" (above that, they couldn;t be hit by DC, below that, and you couldn;t shoot te hem.. .so they all hovered at 6m...).

So it is not like, they aren't listening at all. And they WERE on the right path. 

 

I was thinking, yes, they finally have something. GO FOR IT. And that is when they invented guided torps... 

The one who invented that, please... FIRE HIM. Through a torpedo tube.