RNG or some else ?

[bossina]

Last times have iracional  dmg per shoots... 

Is that RNG problem or some else ? 

see this game   Lighting 108 hits (HE),  1 torps, 3 fire, and only 20k dmg 

How is that possibile ?

I try explain this with RNG, but its so bad... some  else must be !

What ? 

[ColonelPete]

You are aware what armor does? And that HE shells cannot penetrate all armor and then do 0 damage?

 

To increase your damage, you must improve your target selection and then aim for the vulnerable spots.

Take a look at the detailed results screen.

[principat121]

5 hours ago, bossina said:

Last times have iracional  dmg per shoots... 

Is that RNG problem or some else ? 

see this game   Lighting 108 hits (HE),  1 torps, 3 fire, and only 20k dmg 

How is that possibile ?

I try explain this with RNG, but its so bad... some  else must be !

What ? 

Share the replay of this match and experienced players can explain where is room for improvements for you. 

[bossina]

haha, again tolk about "skill", like in wot 

[ColonelPete]

40 minutes ago, bossina said:

haha, again tolk about "skill", like in wot 

No idea what you are talking about.

[JohnMac79]

4 hours ago, bossina said:

haha, again tolk about "skill", like in wot 

 

You ask a question and when someone asks to see the replay in order to perhaps give you advice this is your response.

 

Continue to fail then. If you have 10k battles and still dont know what you are doing then nobody here can help you.

[bossina]

nice dmg per hit on Grozvoi  ... 

 

[ColonelPete]

120mm guns:

https://replayswows.com/replay/141463#stats

 

[bossina]

no skill but dmg is now ok...  how ...  113mm gun !!!

Im now 2lucky or some else ? 

 

[ColonelPete]

1 minute ago, bossina said:

no skill but dmg is now ok...  how ...

We could tell you, but you do not listen...

On 3/28/2022 at 8:22 AM, ColonelPete said:

...

Take a look at the detailed results screen.

 

[Pandafaust]

This is the reason why I've never been concerned about people playing at high tiers with little to no experience in the game. There are already plenty of people out there who've sunk thousands of hours into it without gaining the faintest idea of how the basic mechanics work.

[CV_SUB_Report_Blacklist]

i dont like helping smoke campers , so its good , keep it up , or best change the class you play , better for both of us ^_^

[bossina]

again skill... but now can se details   pro gamers ... pls explain me again , im noob

[ColonelPete]

On 3/30/2022 at 10:36 AM, bossina said:

again skill... but now can se details   pro gamers ... pls explain me again , im noob

 

No idea which ships you used. The information is once again lacking.

 

1st screenshot, main targets are BB and CA where you risk a lot of shatters.

2nd screenshot, RU BB can shatter a lot of DD HE shells.

[bossina]

1 grozvoi,  2 yutland

 

grozvoi , jutland  vs rng 

 

i have  video, all are in, its fragment of lie  

[bossina]

Like  when torps with 4 toredo  "roon" (i know him before) , do only 4k dmg !!!  torpedo do 16k dmg ?!? can that some explain me ? 

for me is Roon  bad ship, but from some resons its goood, 2good

[ColonelPete]

1 hour ago, bossina said:

1 grozvoi,  2 yutland

 

grozvoi , jutland  vs rng 

 

i have  video, all are in, its fragment of lie  

Then post it...

[bossina]

why ? i go out 

[ColonelPete]

20 minutes ago, bossina said:

why ? i go out 

Why mention a video, when you do not show it?

[lameoll]

[lup3s]

it's rather simple, really;

You compare the armour penetration capacity of your HE shells to the thickness of the armour plates you're firing at.

If an HE shell has enough penetration capacity compared to the armour, it will deal damage, else it will shatter and deal no damage.

 

 

Below are some examples, 1 for each ship class (Mogador, Azuma, Pommern).

 

 

1.

You check the HE pen of your ship's main battery (you can do this both in port and in battle (*)) - usually, the bigger the gun, the higher the armour penetration capacity of the HE shells.

(*) in battle you can check the HE pen of your guns by hovering over the HE shell icon

 

 

e.g. Mogador - 23mm

Spoiler

 

 

e.g. Azuma - 52mm

Spoiler

 

 

e.g. Pommern - 95mm

Spoiler

 

 

2.

You check the armour profile of the ship you were shooting at (you can do this in port)

 

 

e.g. Mogador

(DDs generally have a simple armour layout)

 

Superstructure - 13mm

Spoiler

 

Side plating (+ bow and stern as well) - 19mm

Spoiler

 

Since the armour thickness on the Mogador (in the screenshots shown above) is 19mm or less, all three ships (Mogador, Azuma, Pommern) can penetrate it with their main battery's HE shells.

 

 

e.g. Azuma

(CAs and BBs generally have a (bit) more complex armour layout)

 

Superstructure - 16mm

Spoiler

 

Bow and stern plating - 25mm

Spoiler

 

Side plating - 27mm

Spoiler

 

Inspecting the different numbers, you can see that the Mogador can only penetrate the superstructure of the Azuma, not the bow, side, or stern.

The Azuma and Pommern can still penetrate each of the above shown armour plates with their main battery HE shells.

 

 

e.g. Pommern

(CAs and BBs generally have a (bit) more complex armour layout)

 

Superstructure - 19mm

Spoiler

 

Bow and stern plating - 32mm

Spoiler

 

Deck - 80mm

Spoiler

 

Upper side plating - 145mm

Spoiler

 

Lower side plating - 300mm

Spoiler

 

 

As you can notice in the screenshots above, the Pommern is quite heavily armoured compared to the others, and will shatter most HE shells in the game on those heavily armoured parts.

The Mogador can only penetrate the Pommern's superstructure with its HE shells; the Azuma can pen the superstructure and the bow and stern plating, but that's about it.

Pommern vs Pommern, it can still penetrate the deck armour (95mm penetration vs 80mm deck), but the HE shells will shatter on the side platings.

 

[bossina]

I pl,ay Conde, most of BBS can pen me near, but ... some have realy nice skilll, old ship, tier 8 .... killl me in shott frontal !!!  all shel get on me and all pen me, HE ?!?!?!?!

ok he have skil, but no, he is noob , all stats are bad ! 

Now play Moin , 90 shels for nothing, 4 fire, but no dmg... ok im bad player, but how  can sometimes do extremly  great dmg, and other im low dmg ... i play all time equal !!! (no skill, no barain, no mods!)

[ColonelPete]

22 minutes ago, bossina said:

i play all time equal !!! (no skill, no barain,...)

There is your problem.

When you play like this, you depend on some lucky hits. It happens sometimes and you do good damage, but usually it does not happen.

 

With a replay or video, one could tell you what you could do better. Someone with your experience should get better resullts.

[BLUB__BLUB]

19 minutes ago, bossina said:

ok he have skil, but no, he is noob , all stats are bad ! 

If a shell hits then it does not matter of the sender is N00b.

And yes T8Bb can pen your front and hit citadel. Even some T7 can (Colorado) although you never meet them.

It is just RNG if it hits that way.

In this game, it does not matter so much if you are good - it matters more if you are lucky.

 

19 minutes ago, bossina said:

Now play Moin , 90 shels for nothing, 4 fire, but no dmg...

I played Smolensk and got 15 fires, and crap damage. 

That was because those players immediately used DCP, they put out the fire immediately. 

I keep shooting them, but DCP effect lasts 30 seconds, and then they get away. Yes fire, no damage. 

So I chase them, I try to get more fires. But now the CV has hit him and he already has 3 fires... 

Result: yes I  hit him, but my fire is put out, not much damage, and after he is already totally on fire and I cannot make anymore extra. 

 

One more that happens:

So: I make a fire o a fat BB, he uses DCP - fire is out. Eh bleghhh duh meh crap, as usual.
Then I shoot again after 30 seconds, I now have TWO fires and they will burn full length. YIPPEEEE 

But oh wait... then comes my teammate in DD, he kills him K-BOOM DEAD. And... No fire-damage for me... 

[bossina]

im noob ... or some is wrong ?