finding a better way for Mercenaries

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hi , i dont know if there is a way to submit a suggestion to WG , does they take our suggestion here seriously or nobody cares ?

 

anyway ,,,

 

 

it is rare for clans to start clan battle , especially for few members in clan ...

 

also it is hard for clans to find mercenary , and it is hard for mercenaries to find a clan to play with ...

 

so i have 2 suggestions , i believe they can improve mercenaries life as well as poor clans :D

 

•  clan can gather 4 players , and click BATTLE , and mercenaries can click BATTLE without any division , so the Matchmaker will group them , it doesn't matter how the MM will do it , depending on skill or randomly , or whatever .
• making a page in port , so players can apply their name every day that has CB scheduled , so clans can see the players list and simply they choose from the list and invite them to play .

 

i believe these will make a huge difference in clan battles existence in the game , most clan tags is gray , sadly q_q

[SV_Kompresor]

That would just be random battles with extra steps. They need to play the ship you want, not the ship you don't.

 

But also:

https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/142005-mercenaries-looking-for-a-clan/?page=1

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1 hour ago, SV_Kompresor said:

That would just be random battles with extra steps. They need to play the ship you want, not the ship you don't.

 

But also:

https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/142005-mercenaries-looking-for-a-clan/?page=1

i didn't understand what do you mean (They need to play the ship you want, not the ship you don't.)

 

you cannot fight in 7 vs 7 in Randoms ...

you cannot fight players plays like 1 team in Randoms ...

 

 

clan battles has its own taste ,

 

the mercenaries system is already a part of the game , i am just suggesting a way to make life more easier , you don't know how many times that 6 players miracly found a time to gather up in a scheduled day for CB , and sadly they didn't find the 7th member ,

 

 

a forum page with about 2 years old and only 2 pages , looks like it not doing much ,,,

 

i am not talking about my self only that i want to find a clan , i am talking about many other players in the game , a clan members , and a mercenaries ...

 

this will decrease clan battles queue time also ...

 

 

 

[SV_Kompresor]

2 hours ago, BlueMerry said:

you cannot fight in 7 vs 7 in Randoms .

That's irrelevant

 

2 hours ago, BlueMerry said:

you cannot fight players plays like 1 team in Randoms

You can't really do that with mercenaries without voice chat either.

 

2 hours ago, BlueMerry said:

i didn't understand what do you mean (They need to play the ship you want, not the ship you don't.)

What I meant was: You don't want some random player with some random ship joining your clan battles. Imagine starting a CB match with 4 players and you get 3 random DDs that you don't want on your team. Okay maybe a squall clan might not mind it, but then again, they'd never leave squall either way.

 

It would be nice if wg made it easier for clans to find mercenaries and vice versa (maybe via an ingame window where you can browse available players that can also set a description of themselves), but random pick probably wouldn't work.

[chris745]

My clan mates suggestion has actually been tried, before Clan Battles when there was an identical mode called Team battles it worked exactly as described.

 

My previous clan got many of its members from people who matched in that way. Sure, you never knew what you were going to end up with but I would be quite happy with it again, not least because it was a great way to add folk to the clan.

[Yedwy]

@OP No, just no! I want to at least see who I get and talk it out about what ships to take etc, having random drop would be utterly daft in CB

[FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor]

Yeah nobody cares, you got that right.

Strangely, not even when the suggestions would make Wargaming tons of extra money at virtually no cost.

[Verblonde]

20 minutes ago, chris745 said:

you never knew what you were going to end up with

This is the fundamental problem: to be effective in Clans, the team has to be assembled according to an overriding plan, such that each ship in the team compliments the others (as far as possible); to try and do this randomly would be 'whirlwind in a junkyard' territory...

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54 minutes ago, SV_Kompresor said:

That's irrelevant

 

You can't really do that with mercenaries without voice chat either.

 

What I meant was: You don't want some random player with some random ship joining your clan battles. Imagine starting a CB match with 4 players and you get 3 random DDs that you don't want on your team. Okay maybe a squall clan might not mind it, but then again, they'd never leave squall either way.

 

It would be nice if wg made it easier for clans to find mercenaries and vice versa (maybe via an ingame window where you can browse available players that can also set a description of themselves), but random pick probably wouldn't work.

 

32 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

@OP No, just no! I want to at least see who I get and talk it out about what ships to take etc, having random drop would be utterly daft in CB

 

strange , i don't know why you guys starting clan battles with someone you don't know while you have the choice to play with your clanmates ?

 

my suggestion is for player whom want to play , if you don't like these method you can simply don't do it , is it hard to understand ?

 

if some clans want to play with more team players this way , so why you force your opinion on others ?

 

it is your clan and you do whatever and play whatever you want in it , if you do mind playing with someone you don't know , not all the players has the same opinion i believe .

 

you cannot just say that will not work without trying it , all you have is your personal opinion , others has their personal opinions also  !!!

 

you do not need random mercenaries then everything is ok , nothing changing here , all is about helping other clans WHOM cannot play CB !!!!!!!!

[SV_Kompresor]

15 minutes ago, BlueMerry said:

strange , i don't know why you guys starting clan battles with someone you don't know while you have the choice to play with your clanmates ?

Um...what? You're the one that wants that.

 

15 minutes ago, BlueMerry said:

you do not need random mercenaries then everything is ok , nothing changing here , all is about helping other clans WHOM cannot play CB !!!!!!!!

Well, personally I don't mind this since clans that use your method will almost always lose anyway, so that's free steel for me. It doesn't make it a good feature though. Heck, even the one I came up with in about 30 seconds seems to have more merit.

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13 minutes ago, SV_Kompresor said:

Um...what? You're the one that wants that.

 

Well, personally I don't mind this since clans that use your method will almost always lose anyway, so that's free steel for me. It doesn't make it a good feature though. Heck, even the one I came up with in about 30 seconds seems to have more merit.

yeah i want it because i am ok with it , it is not forced on everybody  , and what you came up with 30 seconds ?

[Yedwy]

36 minutes ago, BlueMerry said:

 

 

strange , i don't know why you guys starting clan battles with someone you don't know while you have the choice to play with your clanmates ?

 

my suggestion is for player whom want to play , if you don't like these method you can simply don't do it , is it hard to understand ?

 

if some clans want to play with more team players this way , so why you force your opinion on others ?

 

it is your clan and you do whatever and play whatever you want in it , if you do mind playing with someone you don't know , not all the players has the same opinion i believe .

 

you cannot just say that will not work without trying it , all you have is your personal opinion , others has their personal opinions also  !!!

 

you do not need random mercenaries then everything is ok , nothing changing here , all is about helping other clans WHOM cannot play CB !!!!!!!!

The only limitation of “clans who cannot play CB” currently is that you need at least 4 clan members to start a CB (ie more then half of players have to be from said clan) and TBH I find that an ok rule…

 

I am not saying people cant invite random people, heck we do it as well from time to time BUT you invite them in port, agree on ships and stuff then go to battle, you dont get a random assigned merc, I mean sure WG could add that option but I would never want to use it tbh, only people profiting there would be freeloaders and they already get enough free carry in Ranked thank you very much… 

[SV_Kompresor]

17 minutes ago, BlueMerry said:

yeah i want it because i am ok with it , it is not forced on everybody  , and what you came up with 30 seconds ?

 

This

1 hour ago, SV_Kompresor said:

It would be nice if wg made it easier for clans to find mercenaries and vice versa (maybe via an ingame window where you can browse available players that can also set a description of themselves), but random pick probably wouldn't work.

 

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Just now, SV_Kompresor said:

 

This

 

you just copied it from the topic man :P

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1 hour ago, BlueMerry said:

you just copied it from the topic man :P

Well..yes. Because I wrote that comment.

 

I somehow missed your second recommendation which is somewhat similar to mine. I blame MTV

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Vor 23 Stunden, SV_Kompresor sagte:

 

I somehow missed your second recommendation which is somewhat similar to mine. I blame MTV

And that makes you the 40%WR equivalent forum user? Sorry to snipe you like that but it happens way too often that people don't actually READ posts but just reply on the first word that triggers them. Talking about basic skills of a discussion forum.

It's not only you, it's not all your posts. But I had way too many "discussions" with people that just don't read properly.

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4 minutes ago, Johnny_Moneto said:

And that makes you the 40%WR equivalent forum user?

I suppose so, in this particular case.

[HMS_Kilinowski]

I have an alternative suggestion:

Instead of creating ever new clans and then sitting in there with a dozen active members, why don't clans that struggle to field a team try to merge with other clans that have the same issue?

This game is past it's golden age. The player base is consolidating. Solid players are leaving while many new players are not committed. This results in clans slowly thinning out in general. Take that into consideration. Start early to think about possible mergers. Find clans that have a similar "clan culture" and start training together. In the long run, we will have lots of dead clans. Mercenaries are only treating symptoms of a deeper undesirable development.

You don't need WG to counter that, just think about tomorrow today.

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6 hours ago, HMS_Kilinowski said:

I have an alternative suggestion:

Instead of creating ever new clans and then sitting in there with a dozen active members, why don't clans that struggle to field a team try to merge with other clans that have the same issue?

This game is past it's golden age. The player base is consolidating. Solid players are leaving while many new players are not committed. This results in clans slowly thinning out in general. Take that into consideration. Start early to thing about possible mergers. Find clans that have a similar "clan culture" and start training together. In the long run, we will have lots of dead clans. Mercenaries are only treating symptoms of a deeper undesirable development.

You don't need WG to counter that, just think about tomorrow today.

Best thing would probably be to have ONE discord especially for mercs. 

They can all shack up there, and clans would know where to get their mercs from.

 

We are starting something similar with a few other clans I guess. 

Because sometimes you have 6 CB-players, other times you have 10 or more... but not 14.
But you can't keep on rotating people in and out, it is quite bothersome. 

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Am 21.3.2022 um 14:51, BlueMerry sagte:

my suggestion is for player whom want to play , if you don't like these method you can simply don't do it , is it hard to understand ?

 

if some clans want to play with more team players this way , so why you force your opinion on others ?

 

And just because you gave my other post a smiley I will reply now what I didn't want to write initially: you are a bloody snowflake. You post a suggestion on a discussion forum and as soon as the discussion doesn't go your way you state that others force their opinion on you. Do you see the irony in that? It is you who tries to force an opinion. 

And what's up with using bold font almost all the time? Are you afraid that others won't read your messages if you write in a normal font?

On topic: I also don't like your first suggestion. The second one looks good to me.

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6 hours ago, Johnny_Moneto said:

And just because you gave my other post a smiley I will reply now what I didn't want to write initially: you are a bloody snowflake. You post a suggestion on a discussion forum and as soon as the discussion doesn't go your way you state that others force their opinion on you. Do you see the irony in that? It is you who tries to force an opinion. 

And what's up with using bold font almost all the time? Are you afraid that others won't read your messages if you write in a normal font?

On topic: I also don't like your first suggestion. The second one looks good to me.

last line is enough to write dude :) ... 

 

the funny in that comment was 40WR forum idea only ,,,

 

and regard the first suggestion , it is not about you like it or not ,

 

it is about you need it or not , if you don't need it neither you don't want it , simply don't do it , you either cannot understand this point ?

 

what am i saying is to make it possible for players whom want it , that's it , how can you understand that i am forcing others to play this way ?

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2 hours ago, BlueMerry said:

last line is enough to write dude :) ... 

 

the funny in that comment was 40WR forum idea only ,,,

 

and regard the first suggestion , it is not about you like it or not ,

 

it is about you need it or not , if you don't need it neither you don't want it , simply don't do it , you either cannot understand this point ?

 

what am i saying is to make it possible for players whom want it , that's it , how can you understand that i am forcing others to play this way ?

You do have a point there m8, WG should add it, who am I to say no to free steel... 

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3 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

You do have a point there m8, WG should add it, who am I to say no to free steel... 

Pretty much this. Any clan using that to play CBs would never ever leave squall anyway. Not even by accident.

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Vor 1 Stunde, BlueMerry sagte:

last line is enough to write dude :) ... 

 

the funny in that comment was 40WR forum idea only ,,,

 

and regard the first suggestion , it is not about you like it or not ,

 

it is about you need it or not , if you don't need it neither you don't want it , simply don't do it , you either cannot understand this point ?

 

what am i saying is to make it possible for players whom want it , that's it , how can you understand that i am forcing others to play this way ?

What you don't understand is how a discussion forum works. If you write an idea or proposal here you put it up for discussion. We are discussing it. None of us actually codes the program, so it doesn't matter whether we agree or not. However, in case any CM decides to forward this to the devs the CM can already communicate some pros and cons that came up during this discussion. 

That's it.

 

Then: I didn't say you force other people to play a certain way. It is very immature to change people's words for them... or you also lack the skill of reading. I said you force your opinion on others instead of discussing.

 

Here is why I am against your first proposal: if WG decides to implement your proposal they need to spend time on it. Time that they could spend on some feature that is better than yours. Also it sounds like a half baked cake to me. It seems so far nobody outside your clan supports your idea, possibly the amount of people who would use that feature would be small. So instead of making a good feature to help players find each other for CB we would be getting some random MM and the devs would probably not spend any more time on this.

The "in-game player search list" sounds good but with the current integration of the chat system it would become a nightmare. (I call it chat system but it is the whole thing where players can find each other, make divs, put up channels,...)

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38 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

You do have a point there m8, WG should add it, who am I to say no to free steel... 

 

 

you are so Confident 

 

 

 

34 minutes ago, SV_Kompresor said:

Pretty much this. Any clan using that to play CBs would never ever leave squall anyway. Not even by accident.

 

 

well , i will not argue with you more about it , but

 

i think it will be veeery goooood to get in squall league at least , since the majority of clans cannot even start their first battle in CB mode .

 

 

27 minutes ago, Johnny_Moneto said:

if WG decides to implement your proposal they need to spend time on it. Time that they could spend on some feature that is better than yours. Also it sounds like a half baked cake to me. It seems so far nobody outside your clan supports your idea, possibly the amount of people who would use that feature would be small. So instead of making a good feature to help players find each other for CB we would be getting some random MM and the devs would probably not spend any more time on this.

The "in-game player search list" sounds good but with the current integration of the chat system it would become a nightmare. (I call it chat system but it is the whole thing where players can find each other, make divs, put up channels,...)

 

please keep your comments like this , try to not type things like what deleted :)