Has T9 MM changed?

[SolanumTuberosumRex]

I played 8 T9 randoms in a row, and they were all uptiered to 11. T9 used to be nice in that you were rarely uptiered at all. Has anyone else noticed this?

[Captain_Edwards]

The matchmaking is the same as its always been. +1/-1 tier spread. That means T9-T11. The reason your seeing it more now is simply because there are more superships in usage.

[Aragathor]

15 minutes ago, Captain_Edwards said:

The matchmaking is the same as its always been. +1/-1 tier spread. That means T9-T11. The reason your seeing it more now is simply because there are more superships in usage.

That's not true. Tier 9 sees a +1/-2 spread as they can play against T7s. Unless you have meant t10...

With the establishment of T11 it's now closer to +2/-2, but we'll see how many people will play the T11 ships.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

In other words, yes it's changed.

[FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor]

Of course it has changed. They introduced an entire new Tier. Calling it "asterisk" instead of "11" does not change that fact.

The most important upshot of it is that now, you get 100% CV matches at Tier 9 instead of previously 30%, at least on weekends when all the "casuals" play for whom CVs were designed in the first place.

And as soon as these ships are available in the regular tech tree, that will of course become the regular state of affairs on every day of the week since it is the only odd Tier with CVs on it, meaning the matchmaker gets CVs from three tiers to "choose from."

IOW your Benham and Missouri and Alaska and Krohnshtadt have now finally been devalued to spit, and CVs are now firmly lodged deep inside your throat, so do the Belarusian oligarch a favor and swallow already like a good girl.

[SV_Kompresor]

I hope so. Tier 7 has enough problems as it is.

[SolanumTuberosumRex]

So if I understand correctly, the creation of T11 games has caused an uptick in T9 ships being uptiered?

[Karasu_Browarszky]

44 minutes ago, PsychoClownfish said:

So if I understand correctly, the creation of T11 games has caused an uptick in T9 ships being uptiered?

 

Well.. there was a time when some people favoured tier 9 strongly, because apparently there were so many tier X's in the queue that you had a good chance to be top tier (or even tier) with a tier 9.

[Panocek]

59 minutes ago, PsychoClownfish said:

So if I understand correctly, the creation of T11 games has caused an uptick in T9 ships being uptiered?

T10 overpopulation led to T10-only games, so Tier 9s were more often than not, top tier ships, avoiding that clusterfuck. T11 games with superships don't seem to be THAT common, so T10 only games probably still happen, while MM forms teams for superships in the queue with whoever is present, which can and probably will lead to grabbing few tier 9s into the battle.

 

Assuming proliferation of superships would continue, as more and more people would get them after getting clapped by one, tier 8 might became new sweet spot MM wise, as tier 9 and 10 would be soaked into increasing numbers of T11 games.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

7 hours ago, SV_Kompresor said:

I hope so. Tier 7 has enough problems as it is.

 

The biggest handicap, IMO, is that tier 7 has no access to a concealment module, in this sense, tier 6 is similarly handicapped when facing ships of tier 8.

[Animalul2012]

Well with the introduction of super fake ships tier 9 mm has changed from -2+1 to -2+2. All tier 9 ships and tier 10s have gotten devalued since all superfakes are OP material, zero reason to play preussen when hannover exists same go for shima,des moines,khaba,delny,henri and soon republique and minotaur. 

Tier 8 and possibly tier 7 have gotten better but tier 9 has become completely unbalanced, what do you prefer kagero vs shima or yugumo vs yamagiri?

If only KII and Roma would have been complete ships they could be the new go to make credits with the kobayashi camo but one needs better secondaries while the other better dispersion at close ranges or a smoke. 

It also does not help that a new player at this moment can get a tier 10 right away with some financial spending and in the near future a t11. Tier 10 is the new tier 1 (or low to mid tiers) where people learn what the game is all about. You can thank WG for offering t10s and to some degree 9s without spending any skill effort in the way to obtaining them.

[GulvkluderGuld]

Been enjoying Ranked silver league a lot untill rank out yesterday and not realized how fortunate I was.

 

Played 10 random games at tier 8+9 and only one happened without CV and superships. 

To make it worse, 100% of CVs were tier 8,5 or 10,5 russians or UnitedStates SuperCV which just made grinding Printz Ruprecht impossible. 

 

Randoms is literally unplayable from an enjoyment's perspective.

Going back to playing Borderlands 3 untill Ranked resets and I can duck into CV-free meta again.

 

Agree 100% with this sadly, tier 9 is ruined.

7 hours ago, FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor said:

Of course it has changed. They introduced an entire new Tier. Calling it "asterisk" instead of "11" does not change that fact.

The most important upshot of it is that now, you get 100% CV matches at Tier 9 instead of previously 30%, at least on weekends when all the "casuals" play for whom CVs were designed in the first place.

[Captain_Edwards]

On 3/20/2022 at 10:43 PM, Aragathor said:

That's not true. Tier 9 sees a +1/-2 spread as they can play against T7s. Unless you have meant t10...

With the establishment of T11 it's now closer to +2/-2, but we'll see how many people will play the T11 ships.

 That is not how the system works. A T9 in a match with a T7 means the game "rolled" a T8 match and did a +1/-1 spread. The spread is not the tier you chose to use, its the tier the MM selects for players. With T11 superships, it simply means the highest tier has increased meaning t10 now has a +1/-1 spread.

[SolanumTuberosumRex]

On 3/21/2022 at 2:58 PM, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

Well.. there was a time when some people favoured tier 9 strongly, because apparently there were so many tier X's in the queue that you had a good chance to be top tier (or even tier) with a tier 9.

Yeah, I was one of those people. As it stands, EVERY SINGLE T9 GAME I've played since I started this thread has been a T11 game. No exceptions. Played a T10 just now (I just unlocked Hindenburg) and it was a straight T10 game. So while a sample of one is too early to say, it does seem like T10 has become the new T9. And there are an insane amount of T11 ships in play, much more than at first, with 3 or 4 or of them on each side, regularly.

[JohnMac79]

On 3/21/2022 at 6:38 AM, SV_Kompresor said:

I hope so. Tier 7 has enough problems as it is.

Offtopic, but is that Freelancer in your sig?

[SV_Kompresor]

6 hours ago, JohnMac79 said:

Offtopic, but is that Freelancer in your sig?

It's a ship and a station from freelancer built in another game, but yes.

[Bainsmit_steel]

T9 is now much harder to play then before as there are constantly paired with t 11 ships...without t 11 ships t9 is probably the most comfortable tier to play.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

9 minutes ago, Bainsmit_steel said:

T9 is now much harder to play then before as there are constantly paired with t 11 ships...without t 11 ships t9 is probably the most comfortable tier to play.

 

Yeah... and guess who is currently trying to grind not just one, but two frigging of a ship to get to tier X.

[Bainsmit_steel]

Lol i feel your pain i am grinding now petro :)...

[Panocek]

37 minutes ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

Yeah... and guess who is currently trying to grind not just one, but two frigging of a ship to get to tier X.

Now imagine fun and engaging someone has after buying T9 premium with hard cash 

[anonym_cwVecOS6ecVy]

Actually considered Neustrashimy, but gladly I did not pull the trigger. With the recent events unfolding, it is better to save the resources and cash. CVs, subs and super ships are too much of a toxic waste to invest anything here.

[Seraphice]

On 3/21/2022 at 3:30 PM, GulvkluderGuld said:

Been enjoying Ranked silver league a lot untill rank out yesterday and not realized how fortunate I was.

 

Played 10 random games at tier 8+9 and only one happened without CV and superships. 

To make it worse, 100% of CVs were tier 8,5 or 10,5 russians or UnitedStates SuperCV which just made grinding Printz Ruprecht impossible. 

 

Randoms is literally unplayable from an enjoyment's perspective.

Going back to playing Borderlands 3 untill Ranked resets and I can duck into CV-free meta again.

 

Agree 100% with this sadly, tier 9 is ruined.

Hey man
Despite your experiences the amount of CV players didn't actually increase. Maybe you just got unlucky over a couple games :/

 

 

On 3/21/2022 at 3:26 PM, Animalul2012 said:

Well with the introduction of super fake ships tier 9 mm has changed from -2+1 to -2+2. All tier 9 ships and tier 10s have gotten devalued since all superfakes are OP material, zero reason to play preussen when hannover exists same go for shima,des moines,khaba,delny,henri and soon republique and minotaur. 

Tier 8 and possibly tier 7 have gotten better but tier 9 has become completely unbalanced, what do you prefer kagero vs shima or yugumo vs yamagiri?

If only KII and Roma would have been complete ships they could be the new go to make credits with the kobayashi camo but one needs better secondaries while the other better dispersion at close ranges or a smoke. 

It also does not help that a new player at this moment can get a tier 10 right away with some financial spending and in the near future a t11. Tier 10 is the new tier 1 (or low to mid tiers) where people learn what the game is all about. You can thank WG for offering t10s and to some degree 9s without spending any skill effort in the way to obtaining them.

Most of the ships are not exactly fake.
Some of them were at least designed. In the end there should still be reason to play TX as it will remain much more sustainable as a tier to play in terms of economy. Superships are not designed to be a sustainable tier to play on, and players won't be able to exclusively play them, which will limit their popularity.

Buying your way to a Supership shouldn't really be an issue since you will need at least 3 TX's, and the respective tech tree TX for that line, as well as the credits to purchase it.
 

1 hour ago, Bainsmit_steel said:

T9 is now much harder to play then before as there are constantly paired with t 11 ships...without t 11 ships t9 is probably the most comfortable tier to play.

I've played quite a couple games in T9 and TX so far and even superships.
In all my games seeing a supership was pretty unlikely, and even if there were, it was usually 1, at most 2. And in most cases the bother was not actually that high if you know what they are capable of, and how to deal with it. Now T9 simply follows the same rules as every other tier.

Fair seas captains!
~Sera

[Bainsmit_steel]

35 minutes ago, Seraphice said:

I've played quite a couple games in T9 and TX so far and even superships.

In all my games seeing a supership was pretty unlikely, and even if there were, it was usually 1, at most 2. And in most cases the bother was not actually that high if you know what they are capable of, and how to deal with it. Now T9 simply follows the same rules as every other tier.

Fair seas captains!
~Sera

Truth in every game there is not more then 2 3 super ships but that is not the point the point is that there are also a lot of t 10 ships so basically with t9 you are almost constantly undetiered ...and before even if you was undertiered it was -1 now is -2 like t8 was in past....also i play pretty much games per day and have not been up tier in t9 a long time...thats why i said that now playing tier 9 is much harder...as you are undertierd more often then before (becouse of existance of t 11 ships and t10 population)...and ofcourse -1 +2 is much better then -2 + 2...

 

Can you deal with those thingies yes you can but harder then before...so question was has t9 changed the answer is yes it has changed and it is harder then before.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

2 hours ago, Bainsmit_steel said:

Truth in every game there is not more then 2 3 super ships but that is not the point the point is that there are also a lot of t 10 ships so basically with t9 you are almost constantly undetiered ...and before even if you was undertiered it was -1 now is -2 like t8 was in past....also i play pretty much games per day and have not been up tier in t9 a long time...thats why i said that now playing tier 9 is much harder...as you are undertierd more often then before (becouse of existance of t 11 ships and t10 population)...and ofcourse -1 +2 is much better then -2 + 2...

 

Can you deal with those thingies yes you can but harder then before...so question was has t9 changed the answer is yes it has changed and it is harder then before.

 

Since superships are not restricted to BB's, they will end up changing the top tier meta.

[Panocek]

2 hours ago, Seraphice said:

Hey man
Despite your experiences the amount of CV players didn't actually increase. Maybe you just got unlucky over a couple games :/

Tier 9 until Superships arrived were safe haven from CVs and subs, as overabundance of T10 soaked them up into T10 only games. Now, introduction of tier 11 and further proliferation of these will only make CV/Sub encounter more likely, as MM will start filling "super" battles with T9 and 10 ships.

 

Not to mention, Superships devalue Tier 9 premiums, big part of considering one was lack of tier 11 ships to meet. Was