Alsace, BB always on fire

[Ironclan_44]

I had hoped that Alsace was a good BB. After i bought it and upgraded hull, gun fire control and machine it is still a dramatic BB.

Even on a cruiser it have ricochets, every HE hit is a fire. Spreading of the shells are dramatic. So why is this a tier IX BB?

Better bring it to tier VII and even then i got doubts. 

This BB needs to be buffed!

[ColonelPete]

Tier VII? Riiiight...

It helps to know how overmatch works and then you might select better targets for your 380mm guns.

And no, she burns the same way as other BB.

 

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[Ironclan_44]

I played several games with this BB, every time 2 or 3 fires. Nice splashes around my target. When i hit a cruiser For example Stalingrad, nothing happened. Even with HE  and that for a french BB. Sorry mate but this BB sucks.

[ColonelPete]

6 minutes ago, Ironclan_44 said:

I played several games with this BB, every time 2 or 3 fires. Nice splashes around my target. When i hit a cruiser For example Stalingrad, nothing happened. Even with HE  and that for a french BB. Sorry mate but this BB sucks.

2-3 fires a match?

And that is always on fire? What did you expect?

You are getting off light.

 

From what distance do you fight?

 

Spoiler

Take a hint:

 

 

 

[Capn_Redwolf]

Like most French ships she has speed but not toughness.

I have had some really good games in her. The best games were where I managed to get really wide using her speed to get on the enemy flank. By doing so they have to decide whether to give their broadsides to you or the rest of your team. Also she has decent AA to help put off the cv as you may be alone on the flank.

Try a few games splitting off from friendly BBS to create some crossfires. You might find you can shoot at broadsides for days.

Hitting sides is what she is all about.

 

[Miscommunication_dept]

21 minutes ago, Ironclan_44 said:

I played several games with this BB, every time 2 or 3 fires. Nice splashes around my target. When i hit a cruiser For example Stalingrad, nothing happened. Even with HE  and that for a french BB. Sorry mate but this BB sucks.

Stalingrad bounces all battleship shells when angled.

 

Maybe mount fire prevention and don't damage con one fire unless you can go dark?

[Ryuuteimaru]

I liked the French BB line until the Lyon after that found them pretty crappy and yes found the Alsace the worst of the bunch., There armor is trash take massive HE damage with lots of fires and guns are random with the tendency to just overpen anything it hits at a flat angle.

 

EDIT:Forgot to add Alsace is highly prone to losing turrets, in fact it's the only ship i've lost every turret in one game.

[tocqueville8]

Alsace is a decent performer for me, but I never liked her: weak armor against HE, weak armor against Yamatos and such, crap sigma, bad penetration...

Also, the secondaries don't pen anything, not that one should build for them...

 

I had the pleasure of regrinding her with Dead Eye, and she worked reasonably well as a cruiser blapper and an HE spammer, but without it she'd need a buff imho. Maybe 1.7 sigma and better reload 

[SodaBubbles]

I do not understand the complaints in this thread. Alsace is boss. Great ship, same fire chance as any T9. Ton of fun to play, been over 200K in her a couple of times.

 

Unfortunately, she was really good when she first came out, but wasn't Russian, so they gave her a real nerf. If only she'd had a Soviet flag, she'd be the top T9 tech tree BB for sure.

 

[EgyptOverseer]

Most T9 tech trees I reach appear to be absolute trash. First the Iowa, then the Alsace. Just gave up the grind after that for both lines. Now when I reach T9 I just stop and grind another line. Now to me the Alsace is a port queen. Alsace has abismal accuracy and poor armour. At least the T8 worked OK as a bow in tanking ship, but this one has nothing going for it except speed.

[hopeasusi]

8 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

Tier VII? Riiiight...

It helps to know how overmatch works and then you might select better targets for your 380mm guns.

And no, she burns the same way as other BB.

 

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Man that really shows that Alsace is not that good. 48,7% winrate is not good in a game that has no draws. 

 

Still its even more about many of the premium ships and Prince Rupprecht being somewhat OP. At least Alsace is not as bad as Izumo, Iowa and Minnesota though, so it has something going for it. 

[SV_Kompresor]

9 minutes ago, hopeasusi said:

Man that really shows that Alsace is not that good. 48,7% winrate is not good in a game that has no draws. 

It does have draws actually. They're just rare. And pretty sure 48.7 is slightly above the average winrate.

[hopeasusi]

Just now, SV_Kompresor said:

It does have draws actually. They're just rare.

Getting a draw in random is almost impossible. Technically they can happen, but are so rare that they don't affect ship stats in a meaningful way. 

 

 

[SV_Kompresor]

15 minutes ago, hopeasusi said:

Getting a draw in random is almost impossible. Technically they can happen, but are so rare that they don't affect ship stats in a meaningful way. 

 

 

True. The number of bad players compared to good ones does though. 48.7 is pretty standard for a tech tree ship.

[ColonelPete]

1 hour ago, hopeasusi said:

Man that really shows that Alsace is not that good. 48,7% winrate is not good in a game that has no draws. 

 

Still its even more about many of the premium ships and Prince Rupprecht being somewhat OP. At least Alsace is not as bad as Izumo, Iowa and Minnesota though, so it has something going for it. 

The theory was that she sucks and that she is barely appropriate for Tier VII...

That is obviously not the case when she outperforms 5 of 9 Tier IX tech tree BB.

[Taliesn]

Never liked her but she burns just like every other tier IX BB.

9,500 battles,  I despair.

[Seraphice]

I quite enjoyed the Alsace. She is quite fast, and has quite decent performing guns as well.
She has the same fire resistance as every other T IX BB in the game.

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

[Ronchabale]

19 hours ago, Ironclan_44 said:

 

Better bring it to tier VII and even then i got doubts. 

This BB needs to be buffed!

Why not, tier 10 is all over the place with "balans" so why not a decent tier 9 BB at tier 7

Would be very OP tho

[lafeel]

I am just going to echo @Seraphice on this.

 

Not the least of which because Alsace holds my record for most damage dealt in a single game.

 

Sure she has issues, but she is far from a bad ship.

[Ironclan_44]

I see that a lot of players looking to the stats of a vessel/ship. I don't care about stats. I play with a ship/vessel and look how it plays.

And this Alsace is really bad. Almost every hit on this vessel is a fire, guns are disabled and the spreading and penetration of your own guns are terrible.

Guns of Bismarck and Tirpitz....ohh also 380mm and penetrates much better. They are tier VIII. That's reason that I wrote, "make this thing a tier VII" and even then it's crap. The secondaries are worse too. 

SO BUFF THIS VESSEL OR REMOVE IT!

 

[ColonelPete]

2 minutes ago, Ironclan_44 said:

I see that a lot of players looking to the stats of a vessel/ship. I don't care about stats. I play with a ship/vessel and look how it plays.

And this Alsace is really bad. Almost every hit on this vessel is a fire, guns are disabled and the spreading and penetration of your own guns are terrible.

Guns of Bismarck and Tirpitz....ohh also 380mm and penetrates much better. They are tier VIII. That's reason that I wrote, "make this thing a tier VII" and even then it's crap. The secondaries are worse too. 

SO BUFF THIS VESSEL OR REMOVE IT!

 

When you get hit only by around 5 shells per game, I have an idea where your problem is.

 

And no, Tirpitz and Bismarck guns penetrate worse...

Spoiler

 

I suggest to play the ship to her strength, as a flanker, and not in a way she is not designed for.

 

[ForlornSailor]

On 3/9/2022 at 9:51 PM, Ironclan_44 said:

I had hoped that Alsace was a good BB. After i bought it and upgraded hull, gun fire control and machine it is still a dramatic BB.

Even on a cruiser it have ricochets, every HE hit is a fire. Spreading of the shells are dramatic. So why is this a tier IX BB?

Better bring it to tier VII and even then i got doubts.  

 

I just want to say: I fully support OP on this one. Also, bring down Bourgogne to Tier VIII at the same time. because same reason.

 

Honestly, Bourgogne in a T6 game. come on. we need this. I need this.

[Nov_A]

I like the Dunkek on my second account, Lyon was a blast in Narai, Richelieu a very satisfying grind in Convoy and Jean Bart just an absolute unit in randoms. But Alsace and my free Ali-Express Wujing ranked grind I do not enjoy. Maybe they do not fit the ranked meta or I lack the gunnery, but the ship is just a chore to play.

[SodaBubbles]

The T9 BBs and especially the T9/10 cruisers face the proliferation of 17" guns at T10. It's not that the T9 BBs are trash. They are now significantly overmatched, made for a meta that no longer can exist.

[pra3y]

I think how you play it is a factor. If you're playing it as a static emplacement next to an island or from range then  it is obvious that you'll catch fire more easily since you're such an easy target to hit. The same if you just blindly charge forward and shooting your guns willy nilly, albeit harder as compared to being static.

 

Good use of islands, concealment, flanking etc would make you less likely to be hit and in turn, toasted, along with the relevant and equipment (if you so choose).