Credit balance

[Rorschenko]

Not able so sustain credits even when winning see screenshot. The opposing ships just sail away and we cap the points. Is this supposed to be like this? Cant see any point in spending time playing the game if you cant increase credits and everything is way to expensive at tier 8-9-10.

[SV_Kompresor]

Winning has no effect on credits, and yes it's supposed to be this way. 36k is quite low for a tier 9 battleship.

[Matty814]

17 minutes ago, Rorschenko said:

Not able so sustain credits even when winning see screenshot. The opposing ships just sail away and we cap the points. Is this supposed to be like this? Cant see any point in spending time playing the game if you cant increase credits and everything is way to expensive at tier 8-9-10.

 

[IJN_Mikasa]

https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Base_Earnings

 

The high tier economy requires you to perform decent to break even in earnings if you do not use any camouflage, signal and clan boni which increase your credit earnings and/or lower your maintenance costs.

After all, the game does not benefit from utterly incompetent pundits flooding high tiers, as has been amply demonstrated for quite a while. In fact, the economy is still too forgiving.

[principat121]

40 minutes ago, Rorschenko said:

Is this supposed to be like this?

Yes, indeed it is.

 

40 minutes ago, Rorschenko said:

Cant see any point in spending time playing the game if you cant increase credits and everything is way to expensive at tier 8-9-10.

Why should you? No one forces you to play high tier ships. And it is on purpose that high tier matches are expensive.

 

 

 

You can be glad that WoWs still is way too lenient with credit income for bad play in high tier matches. In WoT you would lose alot of credits for such a bad game. And yes, it was a bad game. The particular circumstances are irrelevant (but such games of course can and will happen to everyone of us). If you want to play more high tier games without losing too much credits you either become better on average with your battle results (35k average damage in 10 games with the FdG is bad, thus the low income) or you play low or mid tier ships in between to farm credits. This is the way.

[ColonelPete]

It should be easy for you to get credits on Tier V to VII, especially when you sail a premium ship.

[tocqueville8]

1 minute ago, principat121 said:

If you want to play more high tier games without losing too much credits you either become better on average with your battle results (35k average damage in 10 games with the FdG is bad, thus the low income) or you play low or mid tier ships in between to farm credits.

 

...and/or you play a premium ship.

[The_Pillager]

9 minutes ago, principat121 said:

Yes, indeed it is.

 

Why should you? No one forces you to play high tier ships. And it is on purpose that high tier matches are expensive.

 

Right on point I would say.

 

One of the basic principles of WG games is, the higher you climb the silver tiers, the less income in credits you get.

Thats where WG raises its ugly head and offers you premium ships, premium time and goodies for sale.

 

Thats the basic concept of this game.

We have to live with it.

[Seraphice]

Hello captains,

 

As some other users pointed out, this is indeed correct. High tier matches are intentionally more expensive. Even now, for many, the economy at high tier matches has become sustainable, if not even profitable, especially for those that tend to perform very well.

You can always play tiers V - VIII if you struggle with credit income. Additionally there are many ways to increase your economical gain, such as premium ships that increase credit gain (Tier II - IX) or premiums ships with reduced service costs (Tier X).

But of course the best ways to gain more credits, is by dealing more damage and destroying more enemy ships and capturing objectives.

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

[Echo_519]

Also keep in mind that damage based rewards are not calculated on raw damage, but on % damage. So dealing 10k damage to a destroyer will give you more rewards then 36k on battleships only.

[AkerJack]

39k with a T9 battleship is way too low, specially if you hit lower tiers ship. What I see is normal. You need to participate more to battle with spotting/defending/capping/supporting and dealing more damage to as many ships as you can.

[Yedwy]

3 hours ago, Rorschenko said:

Not able so sustain credits even when winning see screenshot. The opposing ships just sail away and we cap the points. Is this supposed to be like this? Cant see any point in spending time playing the game if you cant increase credits and everything is way to expensive at tier 8-9-10.

Honestly m8 while I do get the notion of enemy running away and all its just the damage lacking that does you in, not much you can do except try to do more damage and when something like this happens move on to the next match...

 

I consider myself kinda "average wows whale" with a WR around 50% and av damage 50k or so across the account now if I do less then 10k damage per tier of the ship (ie 40k for a T4 or 70k for a T7) in question for BB/CA/CV class I consider I did rather poor in that match regardless of any other metric...

[Humorpalanta]

4 hours ago, SV_Kompresor said:

 36k is quite low for a tier 9 battleship.

But it is an FdG so not bad.

[Panocek]

7 minutes ago, Humorpalanta said:

But it is an FdG so not bad.

FdG is actually rather decent T9 BB and ironically, she has one of the highest hit rates on my account among T9 BBs"muh secondaries" have negative effect on survivability tho

[Verblonde]

6 hours ago, Rorschenko said:

Is this supposed to be like this?

Short answer: yes. WG want you to spend money on things like premium account, premium ships, and things of that sort.

 

That said, there is some stuff you can do to improve your economic situation:

• Read and understand how the economy actually works: https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Economy
• Basically, things get more expensive as you go up the tiers; broadly-speaking, an average player will struggle to consistently make silver at T9+ with silver ships, without things like permaflage, and premium account.
• Think about what drives silver rewards, and pick targets accordingly; luckily, the order you should shoot things for good rewards roughly coincides with the order you should usually shoot things if you want to win. As mentioned earlier, damage is the key reward driver, and not absolute damage, but rather % damage (1,000 hp damage done to a DD will be far more rewarded than exactly the same damage done to a BB, for example). So, concentrate on smashing DDs first, then cruisers, and then worry about the fatties, generally-speaking.
• Of course, if some daft bugger in a BB gives you broadside, then make him regret it, but understand the rewards will be about the same as doing a lot less absolute damage to something smaller; the ultimate aim is to win, after all!
• If you're playing something that relies heavily on secondaries, note that damage done via this route is rewarded less than damage done by means that you control directly (for regular ships this means guns and torps).
• You have premium account, which improves matters dramatically, if you can consistently do decent damage (to the right things); speaking as a sub-standard player, I found putting permaflage on - at least - the T9+ ships I like to play a lot made a massive economic difference (although you may not be keen on giving WG money, if you can't find sufficient freebies).
• Ultimately though, you can also view playing the highest tiers as a 'cost', and you fund it by playing several lower tier games for each loss-making high tier game; I suspect we'll see more people doing this in future, as WG are clearly intending to make the silver economy a lot more demanding...

[Humorpalanta]

1 hour ago, Panocek said:

FdG is actually rather decent T9 BB and ironically, she has one of the highest hit rates on my account among T9 BBs"muh secondaries" have negative effect on survivability tho

Funkiller!!!!!

[Johnny_Moneto]

Vor 15 Stunden, Rorschenko sagte:

 Cant see any point in spending time playing the game if you cant increase credits and everything is way to expensive at tier 8-9-10.

[OldPappy]

23 hours ago, Panocek said:

FdG is actually rather decent T9 BB and ironically, she has one of the highest hit rates on my account among T9 BBs"muh secondaries" have negative effect on survivability tho

I agree. Fdg is not as bad as her reputation says. I am not a good bb player but I do well in her. 

 

On 3/2/2022 at 9:36 AM, Rorschenko said:

Not able so sustain credits even when winning see screenshot. The opposing ships just sail away and we cap the points. Is this supposed to be like this? Cant see any point in spending time playing the game if you cant increase credits and everything is way to expensive at tier 8-9-10.

You need - from my point of view - 2 things to improve your economy so you can play t9 without going broke. 
1: more experience overall from t5 and up. 
2: a coal ship (or a straight out premium if you wish, but I would wait with that until you are certain that you will stick around in this game) from t5 to maybe t8. A fun ship you will enjoy to play. It will allow you to get more skills and training while making yoy money at the same time. A good earner will even make good money in coop. This extra revenue will pay for your matches in t9 and take the pressure off to perform well just to break even. 

Good luck!

 

[ihan_paras_nimi]

21 hours ago, SV_Kompresor said:

36k is quite low for a tier 9 battleship.

I bet he helped his team by doing most of that dmg on enemy DDs. Considering he used HE (21 hits and 3 fires).

[Gnirf]

Average damage according to WOWS numbers EU is around 57.000. I have grinded through FdG again now with a reset aand had no problems with credits. Now a single game where you steam roll the opponent on certain maps can yield a unprofitable game if the spawn or game unfolds without much to fire at but if so it is one game and not the standard game. A normal game on premium account never gives minus in the results.

[anonym_ntfKigmJ0k9e]

Economy in WOWS is like real-time Russian economy now under sanctions... If you play without premium account, you lose money... If you play with premium account, but without premium ship, you lose money...

 

If you play with premium account and premium ships, you earn some money... but not enough to buy new ships, new modules, etc. which cost MILLIONS... 

 

For example just one Tier 10 ship costs well over 30 millions with all modules and equipment needed. 

 

In every way you are rekt... just like Russian economy.

[ColonelPete]

4 minutes ago, SEA_TRAKTOR said:

Economy in WOWS is like real-time Russian economy now under sanctions... If you play without premium account, you lose money... If you play with premium account, but without premium ship, you lose money...

 

If you play with premium account and premium ships, you earn some money... but not enough to buy new ships, new modules, etc. which cost MILLIONS... 

 

For example just one Tier 10 ship costs well over 30 millions with all modules and equipment needed. 

 

In every way you are rekt... just like Russian economy.

And when you play on the right Tier or with the right skill, you make silver without spending anything on the game...

[SV_Kompresor]

1 hour ago, SEA_TRAKTOR said:

Economy in WOWS is like real-time Russian economy now under sanctions... If you play without premium account, you lose money... If you play with premium account, but without premium ship, you lose money...

 

If you play with premium account and premium ships, you earn some money... but not enough to buy new ships, new modules, etc. which cost MILLIONS... 

 

For example just one Tier 10 ship costs well over 30 millions with all modules and equipment needed. 

 

In every way you are rekt... just like Russian economy.

Alternatively you can git gud and make money on tier 10 without premium ships and premium time.

[ollonborre]

1 hour ago, SEA_TRAKTOR said:

Economy in WOWS is like real-time Russian economy now under sanctions... If you play without premium account, you lose money... If you play with premium account, but without premium ship, you lose money...

 

If you play with premium account and premium ships, you earn some money... but not enough to buy new ships, new modules, etc. which cost MILLIONS... 

 

For example just one Tier 10 ship costs well over 30 millions with all modules and equipment needed. 

 

In every way you are rekt... just like Russian economy.

Playing with premium means you can still earn huge sums of money, even if you just spam tier 10. And a tier 10 for example with permacamo prints plenty of credits and is cheaper than a tier 8 premium.

 

If you find yourself creditstarved constantly then you either need to perform better, stop playing high tier ships that you do badly in or hold of buying things constantly. The latter is one of the biggest ways IMO you can save up lots of credits rather quickly. Focus on one line at the time or simply just don't buy anything new until you have a buffert.

 

I for one is currently waiting for the Pan Asian cruisers and I'm sitting on half a billion at this point and despite having reset a line recently. And I certainly don't spam premiums all the time.

[Echo_519]

Vor 7 Stunden, ihan_paras_nimi sagte:

I bet he helped his team by doing most of that dmg on enemy DDs. Considering he used HE (21 hits and 3 fires).

i hope you're sarcastic here, otherwise.....

36k to dd only would be around ~180% damage. You really think 180% damage +14 planes shot down would give you 1000xp, and that including the +50% for win.... So we are talking about 680xp based on pure performance, with 180% and 14 planes... Absolutely not... that 36k damage was dealt mostly, if not all, to BB's