ridiculous MM

[INDIFFERENT_M_PATRICK]

This is the biggest difference I've ever seen
Is there any need to fight?
Before the game started, I knew it was a lose.
A complete waste of time and no fun.

[INDIFFERENT_M_PATRICK]

I played about 10 games today
In almost every game, our average win rate is lower than the enemy's
In 10 games, I only won 2 games.
What a lucky day.

[ColonelPete]

8 minutes ago, irondaba said:

Before the game started, I knew it was a lose.

And that reduced your teams chances even further, since you did not even try.

[INDIFFERENT_M_PATRICK]

Il y a 10 minutes, ColonelPete a dit :

And that reduced your teams chances even further, since you did not even try.

In fact, i played as usual and not gave up.

But we still lost quickly.

Every minute, one teammate died.

[ColonelPete]

2 minutes ago, irondaba said:

In fact, i played as usual and not gave up.

But we still lost quickly.

Every minute, one teammate died.

Doubtful, as you said you knew you would lose anyway.

[tocqueville8]

33 minutes ago, irondaba said:

This is the biggest difference I've ever seen
Is there any need to fight?
Before the game started, I knew it was a lose.
A complete waste of time and no fun.

 

The carrier difference alone is massive, and likely decisive: that Nakhi's average damage is FOUR TIMES higher than your Midway's 

[anonym_ntfKigmJ0k9e]

3 hours ago, irondaba said:

This is the biggest difference I've ever seen
Is there any need to fight?
Before the game started, I knew it was a lose.
A complete waste of time and no fun.

 

 

Is there any need to fight? No. It's just a waste of your time and energy. And very, very frustrating.

 

Outcome for cca 80% battles is determined even before they start. The problem is uneven and lost battles like this are very common for some large number of players. 

 

On the other hand, selected "community contributors" and Twitch streamers often get very favorable MM. Because nobody would play this game when they see how sh1tty it is. 

[anonym_ntfKigmJ0k9e]

3 hours ago, irondaba said:

I played about 10 games today
In almost every game, our average win rate is lower than the enemy's
In 10 games, I only won 2 games.
What a lucky day.

 

Your lucky day? Dude, I play games like this a few years now. I'm appalled that my win rate is not below 40%. Because my average win chances certainly are.

[GarrusBrutus]

When I see people with <30k avg in a TX ship, I cant help but wonder what kind of person is behind the wheel.

Its just baffling, honestly.

 

edit: GIF removed... Thanks. 

[Captain_Edwards]

On 3/1/2022 at 1:42 AM, GarrusBrutus said:

When I see people with <30k avg in a TX ship, I cant help but wonder what kind of person is behind the wheel.

Its just baffling, honestly.

edit: GIF removed... Thanks. 

 

Its not actually that surprising. As soon as one shows up in a match absolulety everyone, his mum and the dog all target and fire on it asap.

On 2/28/2022 at 10:22 PM, irondaba said:

This is the biggest difference I've ever seen
Is there any need to fight?
Before the game started, I knew it was a lose.
A complete waste of time and no fun.

 

MM does not care about WR, or damage or any player stats whatsoever. Its only about the tier your boat is. Which is why you get games like this. And funnily enough I have won a few games like that. The supposed "potatoes" end up galvanising behind one or two good players, and force the enemies hand eventually winning out the battle. What you should realise is; Those "potatoes" are itching to get a win, and can be used to turn the tide with some smart leadership and a wee bit of teamwork. Maybe think on that next time and dont be so dismissive at the start. You might end up surprising yourself.

[INDIFFERENT_M_PATRICK]

Il y a 27 minutes, Captain_Edwards a dit :

 

Its not actually that surprising. As soon as one shows up in a match absolulety everyone, his mum and the dog all target and fire on it asap.

 

MM does not care about WR, or damage or any player stats whatsoever. Its only about the tier your boat is. Which is why you get games like this. And funnily enough I have won a few games like that. The supposed "potatoes" end up galvanising behind one or two good players, and force the enemies hand eventually winning out the battle. What you should realise is; Those "potatoes" are itching to get a win, and can be used to turn the tide with some smart leadership and a wee bit of teamwork. Maybe think on that next time and dont be so dismissive at the start. You might end up surprising yourself.

 

Il y a 5 heures, ColonelPete a dit :

Doubtful, as you said you knew you would lose anyway.

I've had many fights like this, and we actually still have a chance to win, but what we need is time.

You can't turn things around in just 5 minutes.I really want my noob teammates to turn their  asssss towards the enemy so they won't die so quickly. And I have more time to cause damage.

The truth is, they charged and they were DS.The game finished just in 8 min.

[ColonelPete]

1 hour ago, irondaba said:

 

I've had many fights like this, and we actually still have a chance to win, but what we need is time.

You can't turn things around in just 5 minutes.I really want my noob teammates to turn their  asssss towards the enemy so they won't die so quickly. And I have more time to cause damage.

The truth is, they charged and they were DS.The game finished just in 8 min.

Have you thought about the possibility that other people use that addon too and had similar thoughts than you and just reacted that way?

[Dark_Meta_]

1 hour ago, ColonelPete said:

Have you thought about the possibility that other people use that addon too and had similar thoughts than you and just reacted that way?

no that would entail the realization that the tool itself is toxic for the game and might hamper any fun left in it... but people do not realise that until it is too late (RIP WoT fun times. You are a sad game now)

[Saltface]

I run MMM when I play. Call me toxic if you want. I don't give a sh1t. 

 

My observations are the following:

MM is random. You get (over a significant amount of battles - duhhh this is how statistics work) an equal amount of battles that all the good players are on your team and an equal amount of battles that all the good players are on the red team. Most battles are more or less equal (1 to 2 % dif on average winrates but this has absolutely no significance. Taking average winrates into account just shows you don't know the game or statistics). What is sad is that most of the players in the game are in the red. (Most of the time) We are only one or two players with green or blue (let alone purple) on each team. I have played many battles that my team should have lost (according to MMM) but we won. And many battles that we should have won but we lost. However, I saw no-one complain on the forum if their team is supergood and the red team is superbad, they take the win and the XP and go in the achievements thread and post the results. Glory !

 

The following are what I consider to be true statements:

 

1. MM is not rigged. It is random and what you observe is proof that it is random. (streaks, imbalances etc.)

2. Players (most of them) do not know how to play the game. 

3. Players that use MMM (most of them) do not know how to read a table with statistics. Result: they pick one that has lots of blue and purple on the other side and come to the forum to post the one millionth thread of "Bad MM - Rigged - Outrage"

 

Reality check:

If you do not know how to read a statistics table or how to play the game uninstall MMM. It does not help you.

If you end up in a bad team, do your best and enjoy the game. You might lose. So what?

If you want to be able to have a bit better odds play in division. This way you can make sure that at least 3 players on your team will be good. In this case you carry and have no right to complain.

 

Regards

Salt

[Shaka_D]

Seeing the win chances before the game starts only exacerbates the likelihood of a loss imho, due to the negativity it creates in those relying on it. This is one of the reasons I still play the vanilla client. In wot it was amongst those many things that helped ruin the experience for me.

[principat121]

A carrier main complaining about unfair matchmaker!

 

Wow!

 

What time to be alive!

[INDIFFERENT_M_PATRICK]

Il y a 3 heures, ColonelPete a dit :

Have you thought about the possibility that other people use that addon too and had similar thoughts than you and just reacted that way?

This depends on the attitude.

IF they all use the same addon.

For positive player : We know that our enemies are well played,so let's move and shoot more seriously

For negative player : quickly die and continue the next game

Il y a 56 minutes, Shaka_D a dit :

Seeing the win chances before the game starts only exacerbates the likelihood of a loss imho, due to the negativity it creates in those relying on it. This is one of the reasons I still play the vanilla client. In wot it was amongst those many things that helped ruin the experience for me.

 

Il y a 1 heure, Dark_Meta_ a dit :

no that would entail the realization that the tool itself is toxic for the game and might hamper any fun left in it... but people do not realise that until it is too late (RIP WoT fun times. You are a sad game now)

No.Through seeing the win chances before the game,i can see which one is the unicum in enemies team.So i try to focus on him and be more careful about his attacks.This can help me to improve my victory.

More helpful to know these imformation than not.

[ColonelPete]

2 minutes ago, irondaba said:

This depends on the attitude.

IF they all use the same addon.

For positive player : We know that our enemies are well played,so let's move and shoot more seriously

For negative player : quickly die and continue the next game

There are similar addons that do the same thing.

After years of experience with online games and this game in particular, most players tend to the negative attitude.

[INDIFFERENT_M_PATRICK]

À l'instant, principat121 a dit :

A carrier main complaining about unfair matchmaker!

 

Wow!

 

What time to be alive!

I play BBs as much as CV

and i also play CA, CL

I rarely fail when I play the carrier.
This is just because CV and DD are able to better control the game.
This does not mean that MM is without problems.

[INDIFFERENT_M_PATRICK]

Il y a 7 minutes, ColonelPete a dit :

There are similar addons that do the same thing.

After years of experience with online games and this game in particular, most players tend to the negative attitude.

Yes.Because this is a teamwork game.

Once 2-3 players give up and want a quick lose,the others' effort will be wasted.

[SV_Kompresor]

8 hours ago, SEA_TRAKTOR said:

Outcome for cca 80% battles is determined even before they start

More like 20%

 

8 hours ago, SEA_TRAKTOR said:

On the other hand, selected "community contributors" and Twitch streamers often get very favorable MM

Good one. Peak comedy right there.

[INDIFFERENT_M_PATRICK]

Il y a 1 heure, Saltface a dit :

I run MMM when I play. Call me toxic if you want. I don't give a sh1t. 

 

My observations are the following:

MM is random. You get (over a significant amount of battles - duhhh this is how statistics work) an equal amount of battles that all the good players are on your team and an equal amount of battles that all the good players are on the red team. Most battles are more or less equal (1 to 2 % dif on average winrates but this has absolutely no significance. Taking average winrates into account just shows you don't know the game or statistics). What is sad is that most of the players in the game are in the red. (Most of the time) We are only one or two players with green or blue (let alone purple) on each team. I have played many battles that my team should have lost (according to MMM) but we won. And many battles that we should have won but we lost. However, I saw no-one complain on the forum if their team is supergood and the red team is superbad, they take the win and the XP and go in the achievements thread and post the results. Glory !

 

The following are what I consider to be true statements:

 

1. MM is not rigged. It is random and what you observe is proof that it is random. (streaks, imbalances etc.)

2. Players (most of them) do not know how to play the game. 

3. Players that use MMM (most of them) do not know how to read a table with statistics. Result: they pick one that has lots of blue and purple on the other side and come to the forum to post the one millionth thread of "Bad MM - Rigged - Outrage"

 

Reality check:

If you do not know how to read a statistics table or how to play the game uninstall MMM. It does not help you.

If you end up in a bad team, do your best and enjoy the game. You might lose. So what?

If you want to be able to have a bit better odds play in division. This way you can make sure that at least 3 players on your team will be good. In this case you carry and have no right to complain.

 

Regards

Salt

MM is not random.

I'm sure many people have this experience.

Today you get winning streak

Tomorrow you get lose streak

Even some unicum player,you can watch live on twitch.Sometimes they will get lose no matter what ship they use.

 

[ColonelPete]

1 minute ago, irondaba said:

MM is not random.

I'm sure many people have this experience.

Today you get winning streak

Tomorrow you get lose streak

Even some unicum player,you can watch live on twitch.Sometimes they will get lose no matter what ship they use.

That is exactly what Random is. Otherwise top players had 100% winrating and bad players 0%.

[Migantium_Mashum]

On 3/1/2022 at 1:42 AM, GarrusBrutus said:

When I see people with <30k avg in a TX ship, I cant help but wonder what kind of person is behind the wheel.

Its just baffling, honestly.

 

edit: GIF removed... Thanks. 

My Tetraplegic friend plays and given he is paralyzed from the neck down you should perhaps understand that not all people who enjoy this game have the freedom of 100% full body movement...

 

He shouldn't play then in your opinion?

 

I actually find your post insulting and childish.

[Migantium_Mashum]

6 hours ago, Captain_Edwards said:

 

Its not actually that surprising. As soon as one shows up in a match absolulety everyone, his mum and the dog all target and fire on it asap.

 

MM does not care about WR, or damage or any player stats whatsoever. Its only about the tier your boat is. Which is why you get games like this. And funnily enough I have won a few games like that. The supposed "potatoes" end up galvanising behind one or two good players, and force the enemies hand eventually winning out the battle. What you should realise is; Those "potatoes" are itching to get a win, and can be used to turn the tide with some smart leadership and a wee bit of teamwork. Maybe think on that next time and dont be so dismissive at the start. You might end up surprising yourself.

Imagine that one of the players of your team is paralyzed from the neck down... Does that mean he cannot enjoy his game because he has a low WR?

 

What a shallow individual you are... You want elite games go create one and play with likeminded folk.... WOW's is open to all.