Guns on Hizen

[anonym_ntfKigmJ0k9e]

Are utter trash. 12 x 410 mm guns, today Alsace flat broadside from 12 km, 1800 dmg lol. This ship is a joke. Just another broken Dockyard port queen. Even worse than Marlborough. Total trash.  Thank you WG for another spectacular failure. 

 

12 hits from short range flat broadside, and it's like this: 3 overpenetrations, 1 penetration, 2 ricochets,  3 torpedo belt hits etc. The most frustrating ship I have ever played. You are basically forced to use HE only and even those are dealing very low damage. 

[SkipperCH]

You're judging a ships capabilities by one missed salvo? 

 

Yes, she's not broken OP. But she also isn't utter trash. Like most dockyard ships she's somewhere in the between. 

[anonym_ntfKigmJ0k9e]

Just now, SkipperCH said:

You're judging a ships capabilities by one missed salvo? 

 

It wasn't miss, it was hit. And these things happen all the time.

[ColonelPete]

Hizen is pretty decent.

 

[SV_Kompresor]

At this point I feel like all you do is just complain about anything and everything.

[lafeel]

7 minutes ago, SkipperCH said:

You're judging a ships capabilities by one missed salvo? 

 

Yes, she's not broken OP. But she also isn't utter trash. Like most dockyard ships she's somewhere in the between. 

Yes, he is, he's done it before. As even a quick read through his post history will soon show.

 

Case in point him calling Pommern trash. (more of a case of pbkac if you ask me..)

[SkipperCH]

Just a short question - You do know that Hizen is your second best T9 ship?

 

I can understand personal opinions on a ships performance, but you do have to self reflect on such statements.

[CV_SUB_Report_Blacklist]

11 minutes ago, SEA_TRAKTOR said:

Are utter trash. 12 x 410 mm guns, today Alsace flat broadside from 12 km, 1800 dmg lol. This ship is a joke. Just another broken Dockyard port queen. Even worse than Marlborough. Total trash.  Thank you WG for another spectacular failure. 

 do you have a screen shot or partial reply for that salvo ?

 

i want to see how many shells hit the alsace .

 

because something wrong here . maybe you didnt aim correctly because you are playing in small screen ?

 

or the target tried to dodge ?

 

anyway , some media will help a lot understanding where is the wrong  

[lafeel]

5 minutes ago, BlueMerry said:

 do you have a screen shot or partial reply for that salvo ?

 

because something wrong here . maybe you didnt aim correctly because you are playing in small screen ?

 

or the target tried to dodge ?

 

anyway , some media will help a lot understanding where is the wrong  

Could also, for all we know, have been firing HE..

 

Then there's the matter of Alsace's armor being hit or miss whether it allows you to citadel it or not, even on a flat broadside..

[Axilian_1]

Lol I suggest you may want to learn how to aim. The Hizen is more than capable of citadelling an Alsace at 12km if using the right ammo and knowing where to Aim . How do I know - 873 battles in the Hizen - the Hizen may not be the greatest Tier IX BB but it sure isn't  trash or a joke when played properly

[FatherTorque]

As an IJn BB main, Hizen is one of my favorites and she's an excellent performer. But she's a Japanese BB after all which means you need to keep your distance to your target to achieve more accurate results. Her sweet spot is like between 15-18 km. 

[Ronchabale]

I rather like the Hizen, it aint op in any way but not rubbish either

 

 

 

[Wulf_Ace]

21 hours ago, SkipperCH said:

Just a short question - You do know that Hizen is your second best T9 ship?

 

I can understand personal opinions on a ships performance, but you do have to self reflect on such statements.

how is this not stats shaming?

[koliber_1984]

Imagine, WG is preparing even worse version of Hizen, Iwami, with only 8 guns of the same calibre , and she will be for coal. OK, ship has it's weaknesses, but nobody's perfect. 

[lafeel]

30 minutes ago, koliber_1984 said:

Imagine, WG is preparing even worse version of Hizen, Iwami, with only 8 guns of the same calibre , and she will be for coal. OK, ship has it's weaknesses, but nobody's perfect. 

A lot better secondaries, faster, and has torps. Not sure that worse is entirely accurate..

[koliber_1984]

1 minute ago, lafeel said:

A lot better secondaries, faster, and has torps. Not sure that worse is entirely accurate..

Definitely not a brawler with those specs, just my opinion....

[lafeel]

7 minutes ago, koliber_1984 said:

Definitely not a brawler with those specs, just my opinion....

Let's not write  off her ability to do so till  we actually see what her armor looks like at least..

[Dutchy_2019]

3 hours ago, lafeel said:

Let's not write  off her ability to do so till  we actually see what her armor looks like at least..

Just wait and see until she has been released, and how various people are doing playing her.

[lafeel]

5 minutes ago, Dutchy_2019 said:

Just wait and see until she has been released, and how various people are doing playing her.

Or at the very least till she gets out of NDA.

[The_Pillager]

14 hours ago, Wulf_Ace said:

how is this not stats shaming?

As long as your stats are not locked as private, everybody can search for it and read (and analyse).

 

So where is the pretty neutral hint "... is your 2nd best BB ..." statsshaming ? 

[___V_E_N_O_M___]

On 3/1/2022 at 1:13 PM, FatherTorque said:

As an IJn BB main, Hizen is one of my favorites and she's an excellent performer. But she's a Japanese BB after all which means you need to keep your distance to your target to achieve more accurate results. Her sweet spot is like between 15-18 km. 

This, most Japanese bbs are not accurate at close range. They are mid range brawlers.

[ColonelPete]

1 hour ago, ___V_E_N_O_M___ said:

This, most Japanese bbs are not accurate at close range. They are mid range brawlers.

They are more accurate at close range than at long range.

At long range they just have an accuracy advantage compared to other nations, which only matters in a BB duel.

When you want sink cruisers, you should get as close to the enemy as you can, as long as you can keep your ship afloat.

[lafeel]

29 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

When you want sink cruisers, you should get as close to the enemy as you can, as long as you can keep your ship afloat.

If all else fails, ram them. Often a ram is going to hurt you less than a point blank range torpedo salvo would have.

[Anthoniusii]

On 2/28/2022 at 10:47 PM, SEA_TRAKTOR said:

Are utter trash. 12 x 410 mm guns, today Alsace flat broadside from 12 km, 1800 dmg lol. This ship is a joke. Just another broken Dockyard port queen. Even worse than Marlborough. Total trash.  Thank you WG for another spectacular failure. 

 

12 hits from short range flat broadside, and it's like this: 3 overpenetrations, 1 penetration, 2 ricochets,  3 torpedo belt hits etc. The most frustrating ship I have ever played. You are basically forced to use HE only and even those are dealing very low damage. 

I have started in the past several topic " Fix the Hizen" but those that love WG so much that ignore any problems saw nothing in it.

The ship has to :

1. Reduse the main guns loading time as the same tier 9 ships (from 37 sec to 33 or 30 secs)
2. The ship uses the same guns with Izumo so it has to use the same ammo too.
3. The ship has 4 repair party consumables (like the British Lion) but with no special feature (like Lion) so it has to be added a 5th repair party consumable.

That way Hizen will be close to average tier 9 battleships.

[anonym_ntfKigmJ0k9e]

On 3/3/2022 at 5:40 PM, Anthoniusii said:

I have started in the past several topic " Fix the Hizen" but those that love WG so much that ignore any problems saw nothing in it.

The ship has to :

1. Reduse the main guns loading time as the same tier 9 ships (from 37 sec to 33 or 30 secs)
2. The ship uses the same guns with Izumo so it has to use the same ammo too.
3. The ship has 4 repair party consumables (like the British Lion) but with no special feature (like Lion) so it has to be added a 5th repair party consumable.

That way Hizen will be close to average tier 9 battleships.

 

I dunno how you dare to challenge SKILLED ADMIRALS  and WOWS FUNBOYS that said Hizen is perfectly balanced (even when most of them actually don't own Hizen).

 

Shame on you!