What farming DD

[Alchemist79]

I have gotten all my tree ships to tier 5-7.

I think i have played enough to say i really favor playing DD's (although i want to kill myself sometimes when CV's ruin my day). BB's are kinda ok a bit boring. Cruisers are frustrating, fragile and die too easy, basically i don't know what i'm doing with those. CV's are the plague, i'm not even grinding these lines. 

Out of the DD's, the Japanese torp line is right now my favorite, i really like sneaking around trying to get some torp hits or if i the enemy dont let themselves be hit, scaring and herding them like a border collie with my akatsuki. Of course its too bad it cant contest caps at the start of the game and i understand that probably makes them inferior in competitive (clan) games, but its fun for random games. 
If not that, i can also enjoy the other DD's that are more gun oriented. Im fine playing my Farragut and Vasteras. 

The remaining tree DD's have only just gotten Tier 5 and i don't seem to favor them although that could simply be because i have the least experience with them. 

After my focus has been to simply grind and tier up all my ships, i feel like i want some new goals and start thinking about getting my first T8,9,10 ship to farm coins, captain XP and do clain battles or other stuff that requires higher tier ships. 
Now i dont know much about all these premium ships. I believe they can provide XP and credid bonusses, but i dont know if they all do so, if they all do so equally, and what tier they should be for optimum farming. 

So my question is, what ships would be good to try and get for me ? 
Preferably a DD, but a BB can be a backup plan or can even come first if no good DD's are available for my purpose. 

I am not entirely free to play, i buy premium account time some times when i have periods where i can spend time to make it worth while, but i wont be spending 50$ or whatever on a premium ship. So it comes down to coal, steel or FXP. Coal seems to be by far the easiest to get, i'm actually halfway there without having focussed on farming it at all. Steel i have very little and seems harder to get, but i suppose that might get better once i have a ship high enough to join clan battles. An FXP ship seems furthest away, especially since i also want to spend xp on getting my first 21 point captain for this premium ship first.

Can tech tree ships with permanent camo get the same bonusses for xp / credid farming ? If so, that is of course included in the options. I think it should be doable to focus grind my way to either Shimakaze, Gearing, Halland or one of the US battleships in reasonable time. (as those lines are @ T7 or nearly so and i enjoy playing them)

 

[RazorBlade72]

I think the Gallant is one of the best DD ships of tier 6. T-61 is the best but you can't get it anymore. The Gallant can torp but also has decent guns so you are not hopeless lost when you see another DD. If you want to step it up to tier 8 then Kidd is also a very nice ship but it is more a gun boat. I know that new players want to torp because it is relatively easy. However learning to gun is key to becoming better at this game. So it is not a bad idea to get in the uncomfortable zone and start gunning. 

[Miscommunication_dept]

Best DD for credit earning will be a tier9. Friesland/Groningen is worth a look if you like dakka. So if you have 1m freeXP, it’s a solid purchase.

[SodaBubbles]

In your case Azuma would be an excellent fit. It has guns that behave very well with excellent fall of shot, armor that can take a pounding, surprisingly good AP, and great credit earning. If you get over 90k damage and a Kill, you have premium time, and some Flags, a million credits is no problem.

 

Since it's an IJN Ship the captains will be easy to swap.

[affie]

5 hours ago, Alchemist79 said:

Coal seems to be by far the easiest to get, i'm actually halfway there without having focussed on farming it at all. 

I would say, get yourself the Duke of York from the armory, using the coupon it will cost you 75K coal, a bargain for a T7 premium ship with decent AP and HE shells.  

 

Everyone tells you to save the coal for a T9 ship but with your experience I would recommend getting a T7 premium first as a stopgap before continuing to high tier gameplay. 

 

5 hours ago, Alchemist79 said:

Shimakaze, Gearing, Halland

Out of these ships and your favoured playstyle of torpedo ships I would say, go for the Halland first. It also have the best anti air guns so the CV will avoid you (don't forget to turn AA on/off to make surprise attacks).

 

After that I would go for Gearing since it is a good hybrid destroyer and just like Halland it can work in competitive e modes.

 

As for Shimakaze I can't say anything orher than I myself stopped the line at T8 becauae of the CV rework.

 

1 hour ago, SodaBubbles said:

In your case Azuma would be an excellent fit

Just recommending Azuma for a player of his experience is wrong, it is the worst T9 super cruiser of them all, sitting far back, slinging HE shells and eating a citadel every time someone focuses you. I strongly disagree with your recommendation.

[WorthyOpponent]

If you're looking for a premium DD I'd say your first option should be Cossack. It is extremely stealthy and has great guns. Haven't seen anyone who own her and not love her yet.

 

For torpboats there isn't a good option, really. You can get Z-44 or Neustrashimy (only available for coal). If you want to pick one Neustrashimy is superior but also way more expensive. She has a special heal that will make you very hard to kill so it is more forgiving and it is also very stealthy, only outspotted by Yugumo at the same tier I believe. She can also be used as a gunboat and you can change between two builds. Z-44 is more torpedo focused but it's meh at best.

 

And for your question, no, sadly perma camos don't give as many bonuses as premium ships. A great example would be at T9, a premium ship gets 65% more credits and has a perma camo to reduce service cost by 20%, a camo on a tech tree ship will only get you the 20% reduction. 

[Fatal_Ramses]

You can get VII Leningrad with community tokens, its a solid DD. Quite visible but strong guns and big hp-pool.

There are many good tier VI DDs you can get with coal. Anshan, Gallant and Aigle.

You said that you have liked the IJN torpedo line so far? Then maybe IX Z-44 would be to your liking.

Then again Yugumo in the techtree is more likely better than Z-44.

[Alchemist79]

1 hour ago, WorthyOpponent said:

. A great example would be at T9, a premium ship gets 65% more credits 

Is this the case for all premium ships ? No matter what sort of resource bought them ?

[Panocek]

11 minutes ago, Alchemist79 said:

Is this the case for all premium ships ? No matter what sort of resource bought them ?

Premium ships, ie tier 2 to 9 have increased credit income, the higher tier, the more, regardless if its Free Exp, Steel, Coal or free doubloons from supercontainers/events/what else. Tier 10 ships are considered "special" and don't have inherently increased income, but due to having halved base maintenance cost AND tier 10 permanent camo on top which halves it again, you'd have to actually try to lose credits with them, as they cost 45k per battle, making them "viable", as in, "not bleeding credits" in coop.

 

About permanent camos, especially for Tier 10 - WG announced they plan to "overhaul the economy" at some point in the near future and that includes "separating economy bonuses from camouflages". How permacamos would be affected, only WG knows and they ain't telling

[Alchemist79]

Ah, so thats why T9 would be the best credid farmer. Got it. Glad the bonusses are the same for all premiums, i was fearing that would complicate the choise by a lot. 

Thanks for all the suggestions, gonna check out all the ships mentioned.

[triumphgt6]

I would keep grinding rather than buy a high tier premium - you will suddenly find a lot more radar and sneakiness becomes far more difficult. I would agree that play what you like but as someone else who likes sneaky Japanese DDs, think about the RN cruiser line - it only gets good at Tier 6 really - light cruisers I mean - but the Tier 6,7 and 8 and all great and play like big destroyers but with much much better guns. They also have a heal for when you mess up! Cossack a a premium DD is good though I prefer the silver Lightning as 360 degree rear turret and more torps. Again plenty of short duration smoke and good guns. I would not play high tier premiums before reaching that tier in the tech tree. 

[Alchemist79]

6 minutes ago, triumphgt6 said:

I would keep grinding rather than buy a high tier premium - you will suddenly find a lot more radar and sneakiness becomes far more difficult. I would agree that play what you like but as someone else who likes sneaky Japanese DDs, think about the RN cruiser line - it only gets good at Tier 6 really - light cruisers I mean - but the Tier 6,7 and 8 and all great and play like big destroyers but with much much better guns. They also have a heal for when you mess up! Cossack a a premium DD is good though I prefer the silver Lightning as 360 degree rear turret and more torps. Again plenty of short duration smoke and good guns. I would not play high tier premiums before reaching that tier in the tech tree. 

I have however 3 motivations to do so:
-I am constantly out of coins and playing ships without modules because i cant really afford them. 
-Besides a few 10 point captains i have gotten from all kinds of giveaways, most of them suck, so farming some commander XP (after getting a single one to 21) would be awesome.
-I can't play clan battles, nor do the higher level campains because those require higher level ships, it would be nice if i could as that would help me farm more resources. (now i have been away for quite a while, i recall T8 being where i can do clan battles, now i see i need T10 whats up with that ?)

As for the where i am with the tech tree. I expect to have my first T8's within 1-2 weeks. I also dont expect the resources to buy a T9 ship any earlier. So i don't think its that far off. Just looking what ship i would want and what resource to focus on.

I am aware of radar. I know i will have to learn what ships have it, what range it is on them, how to draw them out to use it while staying at just the edge of it etc. But the process of learning that is not really happening while i am focussing on grinding all kinds of ships i dont like. It will happen when i consistently play DD's on T8-10.

 

[Panocek]

41 minutes ago, Alchemist79 said:

Ah, so thats why T9 would be the best credid farmer. Got it. Glad the bonusses are the same for all premiums, i was fearing that would complicate the choise by a lot. 

Thanks for all the suggestions, gonna check out all the ships mentioned.

At the same time, Tier 9 can encounter Superships, which defeat major point of getting tier 9 ship in first place - "you can only see tier 10". With Superships present, you will be facing +2 tiers once more, and some of them are particularly annoying to fight against, especially with their "rapid fire" gimmick, like heavy cruiser unloading 36 shells into your destroyer because funny

 

No one said higher tiers are better or more fun to play, keep that in mind.

 

33 minutes ago, Alchemist79 said:

-Besides a few 10 point captains i have gotten from all kinds of giveaways, most of them suck, so farming some commander XP (after getting a single one to 21) would be awesome.

At the same time, majority of ships is more than fine just with 10point captain, after getting CE. Anything extra is just superfluous luxury that you will have hard time actually noticing in your games.

 

33 minutes ago, Alchemist79 said:

-I can't play clan battles, nor do the higher level campains because those require higher level ships, it would be nice if i could as that would help me farm more resources. (now i have been away for quite a while, i recall T8 being where i can do clan battles, now i see i need T10 whats up with that ?)

WG decides at what tiers Clan Battles season will be played. Sometimes they break up tier 10 monotony.

[Esteb4nn]

If you like famring, I suggest Farming simulator. I heard it can be also funny and entertaining.

[Alchemist79]

Just now, Esteb4nn said:

If you like famring, I suggest Farming simulator. I heard it can be also funny and entertaining.

Keeping your mouth shut when you have nothing to say is a good skill.
 

[dommo77]

Get Blyska for coal, good guns, ok torps, very fast. Poor concalment but set her up for dakka with range cap skill, she's a blast. I know many say she was powercrept, but I think she's still really good. And she matches your highest tier. If you want to go up to tier VIII get Cossack if you can, or if you want an ultimate stealthy torp boat with good guns an super heal that will earn you a lot of silver save coal for Neustra 🙂

[Alchemist79]

Looking at the suggested ships, i think Neustrashimy would be my first coal target. 
While collecting the coal i'll grind the 3 destroyers i mentioned to T10 for clan battles and dirigible derby or whatever else will require T10s. 
Time to become become dedicated DD captain for a while. Hopefully by the time i get the coal and T10 DD's i will also have the skills ;)

I especially like that the guy who is ranked nr1 on this ship is named "AkatsukiAppreciator". 
https://wows-numbers.com/ship/3551409616,Neustrashimy/ 


 

[Panocek]

11 minutes ago, Alchemist79 said:

Keeping your mouth shut when you have nothing to say is a good skill.
 

Except he is not wrong.

 

Game by design bullies you into "next ship will be better", "oh I need credits to get next ship and here is nice premium one to make credits with" and when you get "to the top", tier 10, you realize this fustercluck is just not fun to play, too unforgiving, too many... questionably skilled players who also thought tier 10 will be the best experience game can deliver.

 

There is no gold pot at the end of grind rainbow

[Alchemist79]

No, but at least there's access to a lot of the game that i dont have access to now. 
I am not expecting a pot of gold. I am expecting access to everything, the time to focus on one ship type instead of a bit of everything and enough credits to actually use completed ships.

And indeed i would love a game the old fashioned way, where you just pay 50$ once and get a fair game where everyone playes the same tier ship that are balanced, equally equiped with the same amount of captain skills. 
Alas, that no longer exists in 2022. And we are playing this game that is designed to frustrate us. (which is why i play for a while every so many months and then move to other games again.)

At least as frustrating as the game is designed however are elitist players who tell noobs to stay down there. I am 42 years old, i have spend most of the last 25 years playing games for 100 hours a week. I have reached the absolute top in several of them and usually when i play games, i play the highest difficulty level exclusively. I am very strongly of the opinion that jumping into hard mode rather than spending much time on easy modes is the way to get the end-game skills. In this case the end-game skills i am looking for is knowing exactly what every other ship i play against is capable off. You don't learn that by playing 30 different ships down a tech tree that you will never look at again in the future. I will learn that by playing with and against the ships that will be in my games in the future. Also after the basics, i will learn to become the best destroyer captain by playing destroyers exclusively for a while. Later on when i feel i have mastered destroyers i will probably shift to another ship type. 

And yes, the games are full of questionably skilled players. They are however on both sides in the teams. There will always be skill difference, so 2 teams of 10 random players will always be hopelessly imbalanced. (unless the MMR would balance the teams based on player skill) Thinking bad players is a problem is where the elitism comes in, meanwhile its a fallacy comparable to what i always heard during my poker career: "bad players are so unpredictable, i play better against good players". Its total nonsense. In a world of bad players, its easier to excel. So you should applaud those questionably skilled players because if it weren't for them, you would never be able to be that player who gets 5 kills, 200k damage and carried the game to victory. That said, i also look forward to playing clan battles where you can have an organized and communicated battle plan and where i can learn from those clan mates. But with only T7 ships, i have nothing to do in a clan besides benefit from their naval base and no opportunity to learn there. (yeah sure, you can tell me how in noobs are welcome in your clan and you teach them every wednesday night for 2 hours.... You know thats not what truly learning the game is)

 

[Panocek]

12 minutes ago, Alchemist79 said:

No, but at least there's access to a lot of the game that i dont have access to now. 
I am not expecting a pot of gold. I am expecting access to everything, the time to focus on one ship type instead of a bit of everything and enough credits to actually use completed ships.

 

There are only seasonal game modes - Rankeds, Clan Battles and event ones like currently ongoing Dirigible-something you can't access as those usually are played on tier 10, rarely on other tiers.

 

Rankeds are cesspool even worse than Randoms, as everyone try to play as selfish as possible with hopes of getting first position in team lineup in event of losing game, so they can preserve their Rank progress - "saving the star". CBs rely on your clan to actually participate in, unless you enter as mercenary. And then, you usually need broad lineup of ships as any serious clan probably won't accept someone who has only one or two out-of-meta ships. And then current Dirigible event perfectly shows average player either can't read, or can read, but refuses to carry out mission objectives.

[triumphgt6]

1 hour ago, Alchemist79 said:

I have however 3 motivations to do so:
-I am constantly out of coins and playing ships without modules because i cant really afford them. 
-Besides a few 10 point captains i have gotten from all kinds of giveaways, most of them suck, so farming some commander XP (after getting a single one to 21) would be awesome.
-I can't play clan battles, nor do the higher level campains because those require higher level ships, it would be nice if i could as that would help me farm more resources. (now i have been away for quite a while, i recall T8 being where i can do clan battles, now i see i need T10 whats up with that ?)

As for the where i am with the tech tree. I expect to have my first T8's within 1-2 weeks. I also dont expect the resources to buy a T9 ship any earlier. So i don't think its that far off. Just looking what ship i would want and what resource to focus on.

I am aware of radar. I know i will have to learn what ships have it, what range it is on them, how to draw them out to use it while staying at just the edge of it etc. But the process of learning that is not really happening while i am focussing on grinding all kinds of ships i dont like. It will happen when i consistently play DD's on T8-10.

 

Good reply - Have sent you something - work your way up to T10 - personally I cannot stand it as often very passive and a poor environment for dds and light cruisers. The CVs are stupidly OP, the russian one particularly. However it is a goal to reach so good luck.

 

[Panocek]

24 minutes ago, Alchemist79 said:

In a world of bad players, its easier to excel. So you should applaud those questionably skilled players because if it weren't for them, you would never be able to be that player who gets 5 kills, 200k damage and carried the game to victory.

Issue with "bad players" comes from their inability to do something else than "I'm big bad boat therefore I will yolo and throw my ship by 3min mark", or actively refusing to participate in battle, either by abandoning flank completely before enemy is even spotted or by taking such route they can't shoot anyone, effectively removing themselves from team lineup. And one would have guessed by time someone gets to tier 10, one would at least notice a pattern when bashing nearby wall with their head

 

Then there is issue of certain ships being inherently better or worse at carrying games and one can play Cossack only so many times before it gets boring. At the same time, whenever I bring any other DD I see "if I had Cossack I would have won this one" so 

 

39 minutes ago, Alchemist79 said:

Also after the basics, i will learn to become the best destroyer captain by playing destroyers exclusively for a while

Playing other classes also gives good insight how to deal with them, thats the entire point. By playing DDs exclusively you will not know limitations of other ship classes and you will be pissed when "OP carrier claps you with rockets" but you won't see events that lead to such situation and what maneuvers tend to be most effective against that kind of attacks. And then as WG blur the lines between classes, you will have to start going on ship-by-ship basis than "brief description of entire class". Example would be recent German BC line, surprisingly vulnerable and undergunned by BB standards, but also very fast with sizeable torpedo complement, great secondaries and concealment to match.

[tocqueville8]

4 hours ago, Panocek said:

Rankeds are cesspool even worse than Randoms, as everyone try to play as selfish as possible with hopes of getting first position in team lineup in event of losing game, so they can preserve their Rank progress - "saving the star

 

Frankly I'm not seeing that.

Maybe I progressed to Gold faster than last time due to playing more, but the level of teamwork I found was surprisingly good.

 

5 hours ago, Alchemist79 said:

Looking at the suggested ships, i think Neustrashimy would be my first coal target. 

 

Keep in mind her torps reload more slowly and have worse range than those of the Z-44, which I find very underrated.

 

14 hours ago, Alchemist79 said:

An FXP ship seems furthest away, especially since i also want to spend xp on getting my first 21 point captain for this premium ship first.

 

You don't want to spend FXP on leveling up a captain, anyway.

Unless you're really short on credits, you can convert some to free cpt XP, at a ratio of roughly 1M : 10k. If you have a good T8-9 earner, meaning a premium, that's quite useful in order to get some a captain skill a few games earlier.

 

9 hours ago, SodaBubbles said:

In your case Azuma would be an excellent fit. It has guns that behave very well with excellent fall of shot, armor that can take a pounding, surprisingly good AP, and great credit earning

 

I also recommend the Azuma, especially for an inexperienced player.

Neither her armor nor her consumables will trick you into thinking you can or should push too early: you just go in, hopefully help your DD in the cap, turn away (carefully, behind some island), then focus on damage and permafires. She's got a simple, relaxing playstyle. The fast heals also help her stay alive if she overextended.

 

The Groningen is trickier: long smokes she needs to make the best of, no torps for self-defense, the itch to try to use the smoke+hydro combo...

[Alchemist79]

1 minute ago, Panocek said:

Issue with "bad players" comes from their inability to do something else than "I'm big bad boat therefore I will yolo and throw my ship by 3min mark", or actively refusing to participate in battle, either by abandoning flank completely before enemy is even spotted or by taking such route they can't shoot anyone, effectively removing themselves from team lineup. And one would have guessed by time someone gets to tier 10, one would at least notice a pattern when bashing nearby wall with their head

 

Then there is issue of certain ships being inherently better or worse at carrying games and one can play Cossack only so many times before it gets boring. At the same time, whenever I bring any other DD I see "if I had Cossack I would have won this one" so 

 

Playing other classes also gives good insight how to deal with them, thats the entire point. By playing DDs exclusively you will not know limitations of other ship classes and you will be pissed when "OP carrier claps you with rockets" but you won't see events that lead to such situation and what maneuvers tend to be most effective against that kind of attacks. And then as WG blur the lines between classes, you will have to start going on ship-by-ship basis than "brief description of entire class". Example would be recent German BC line, surprisingly vulnerable and undergunned by BB standards, but also very fast with sizeable torpedo complement, great secondaries and concealment to match.

Of course, but it only goes so far. At some point you need to specialize. And that doesn't mean i will never play other ships, but probably will play them exactly for what you say. To learn to understand how to fight against them with DD. 
Compare it to one of my more successful game endeavors in the past: StarCraft: Broodwar. I played all 3 races until i got the basics of the game. I then specialized in Terran. After a while i tried learning ZvT because TvZ was where i had difficulties. 

[Alchemist79]

"Keep in mind her torps reload more slowly and have worse range than those of the Z-44, which I find very underrated."

Does the info on this page bear any meaning ? Neustra is near the top of the list, Z44 is on the bottom. I understand that might not mean everything if Z44 has a very specific playstyle that most players don't understand, but on first sight, im inclined to think Neustra is very good. And as said, the one ranked nr1 with it is called AkatsukiAppreciator. Since i also very strongly appreciate the Akatsuki, i am hoping that means neustra will fit my preferred playstyle. 
https://wows-numbers.com/ship/3551409616,Neustrashimy/