[HKIWS] Callidous Players 68 posts Report post #1 Posted February 25, 2022 A lot of people coming to the forum probably aren't even playing co-op, but if you do, you've probably noticed how terrible the bots are. I'm not talking about their general strength, they've never been much of a challenge. Ever since the maps were adapted to allow submarines, the bots have abysmal pathfinding. They're constantly getting stuck on the edge of islands. I'm at a loss how it's possible this is still going on after all this time. Is it so hard to fix or have you just not noticed you created this issue? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FLASH] DirtyHeddy Players 1,138 posts 27,780 battles Report post #2 Posted February 25, 2022 10 minutes ago, Callidous said: A lot of people coming to the forum probably aren't even playing co-op, but if you do, you've probably noticed how terrible the bots are. I'm not talking about their general strength, they've never been much of a challenge. Ever since the maps were adapted to allow submarines, the bots have abysmal pathfinding. They're constantly getting stuck on the edge of islands. I'm at a loss how it's possible this is still going on after all this time. Is it so hard to fix or have you just not noticed you created this issue? We have noticed that since at least 4 months, We are complaining about this since at least 4 months, and WG is ignoring it sind at least 4 months 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HKIWS] Callidous Players 68 posts Report post #3 Posted February 25, 2022 Gerade eben, DirtyHeddy sagte: We have noticed that since at least 4 months, We are complaining about this since at least 4 months, and WG is ignoring it sind at least 4 months Yeah, I had a vague memory of seeing a thread like this. Today is just the day I got mad that it still hasn't changed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FLASH] DirtyHeddy Players 1,138 posts 27,780 battles Report post #4 Posted February 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Callidous said: Yeah, I had a vague memory of seeing a thread like this. Today is just the day I got mad that it still hasn't changed. "A" thread ??? Dozens of threads ... https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/search/?q="Bot AI"&sortby=relevancy 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HKIWS] Callidous Players 68 posts Report post #5 Posted February 25, 2022 Gerade eben, DirtyHeddy sagte: "A" thread ??? Dozens of threads ... Hey, I have a bad memory, don't judge me... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FLASH] DirtyHeddy Players 1,138 posts 27,780 battles Report post #6 Posted February 25, 2022 WG has even decided to open a PVE-Corner on the forum, to get these permanent complaints out of the "normal" Forum ... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RNS] lilgoth Beta Tester 201 posts Report post #7 Posted February 25, 2022 Do bots make the game money ??? No then ignore it comrade MOAR FANTASY PREMIUMS!!! Translation from another vodka fuelled party at WG headquarters Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLITZ] WeGreedy Players 3,005 posts 15,010 battles Report post #8 Posted February 25, 2022 Didn't WG actually nerf bots, because people were complaining?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FLASH] DirtyHeddy Players 1,138 posts 27,780 battles Report post #9 Posted February 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, WeGreedy said: Didn't WG actually nerf bots, because people were complaining?? They haven't been nerfed - they simply messed up the AI to make it fit for submarines ... teamdamage was removed due to the same reason. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HAKUY] Yosha_AtaIante Players 8,032 posts 19,168 battles Report post #10 Posted February 25, 2022 WG is working on it 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[AMOC] NewHorizons_1 [AMOC] Players 3,860 posts 46,919 battles Report post #11 Posted February 25, 2022 55 minutes ago, WeGreedy said: Didn't WG actually nerf bots, because people were complaining?? Before my time, but I did hear that players complained when WG used smarter bots from Scenarios in co-op matches at one point. Most of the complaints about bots are like this thread - they're worse than the were a year or so ago and the complaints are correct. Ramming was always an issue, but it now seems worse. Bots getting stuck on islands was quite rare, now there's pretty much one in every match. The bot's collision avoidance between friendly ships used to be very good - I often observed a friendly bot slow down to let me pass and then speed back up once its route was clear. Now it's non-existent - you often see a bot BB pushing a bot DD along sideways like it has a hood ornament. Shooting accuracy is now variable where before is used to be quite consistent and good. When they missed it was either due to dispersion or you changing course / speed. They actually attempt to use the appropriate ammo type though but that could be improved further. Dive & skip bombers are an actual direct threat now, but most other CV plane attacks (torps & rockets) are still ineffective due to bad aiming. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLITZ] WeGreedy Players 3,005 posts 15,010 battles Report post #12 Posted February 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Yuu5Eleven said: WG is working on it Now the can't even test bots internally. That's hilarious. And sad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FLASH] DirtyHeddy Players 1,138 posts 27,780 battles Report post #13 Posted February 26, 2022 12 hours ago, Yuu5Eleven said: WG is working on it They say they made a great overhaul to Bot AI, but it did not affect the behaviour of the bots ... That means : NOTHING has changed ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Axilian_1 Players 322 posts 13,035 battles Report post #14 Posted February 28, 2022 On 2/25/2022 at 7:29 PM, NewHorizons_1 said: Before my time, but I did hear that players complained when WG used smarter bots from Scenarios in co-op matches at one point. Most of the complaints about bots are like this thread - they're worse than the were a year or so ago and the complaints are correct. Ramming was always an issue, but it now seems worse. Bots getting stuck on islands was quite rare, now there's pretty much one in every match. The bot's collision avoidance between friendly ships used to be very good - I often observed a friendly bot slow down to let me pass and then speed back up once its route was clear. Now it's non-existent - you often see a bot BB pushing a bot DD along sideways like it has a hood ornament. Shooting accuracy is now variable where before is used to be quite consistent and good. When they missed it was either due to dispersion or you changing course / speed. They actually attempt to use the appropriate ammo type though but that could be improved further. Dive & skip bombers are an actual direct threat now, but most other CV plane attacks (torps & rockets) are still ineffective due to bad aiming. Yep the whole BOT are too smart thing did happen but if you looked more deeply into it - it seems that a lot of those complaint came from Players with 60+ WR in randoms - evidently these 'Super-skilled' players were suddenly struggling when other actual mainly co-op players weren't but were enjoying the extra challenge. (The whole complaint seemed more to do with the fact that certain player could no longer rush through their dailies/snowflakes in co-op because the game now lasted longer and you had to actually think.) 2 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[AMOC] NewHorizons_1 [AMOC] Players 3,860 posts 46,919 battles Report post #15 Posted February 28, 2022 Brilliant bit of irony there @Axilian_1 considering how co-op is often looked down upon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FO] Todger_Fairmile Players 494 posts 17,582 battles Report post #16 Posted March 2, 2022 Bots have been the same from the beginning. WG will say they are fixing them and the patch after the 'fix' goes into effect they'll be broken again. It's been happening for 6 years and I don't expect that the bots or any thing else that's been broken since the beginning of the game will get fixed, or at least not for long. Instead WG adds new things and makes the game prettier. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mad_Dog_Dante Players 6,636 posts Report post #17 Posted March 2, 2022 On 2/25/2022 at 7:10 PM, DirtyHeddy said: We have noticed that since at least 4 months years, We are complaining about this since at least 4 months years,, and WG is ignoring it sind at least 4 months years. Yup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TBU] Piratenmaedchen [TBU] Players 367 posts 891 battles Report post #18 Posted March 2, 2022 I was suspecting that WG had implemented a dynamic AI, so the bots' antics would be matching those of their human opponents. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ENUF] SnuSnu_RIP [ENUF] Players 858 posts 36,533 battles Report post #19 Posted March 2, 2022 Sounds like a normal random battle to me... 👀 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WWDragon Players 1,297 posts Report post #20 Posted March 2, 2022 On 2/28/2022 at 8:54 PM, Axilian_1 said: Yep the whole BOT are too smart thing did happen but if you looked more deeply into it - it seems that a lot of those complaint came from Players with 60+ WR in randoms - evidently these 'Super-skilled' players were suddenly struggling when other actual mainly co-op players weren't but were enjoying the extra challenge. (The whole complaint seemed more to do with the fact that certain player could no longer rush through their dailies/snowflakes in co-op because the game now lasted longer and you had to actually think.) No, it didnt. Bots behavior changed as instead of moving in and engage they turned around and make players chase then down, people complained not because they were "smarter" but because they were now programed to make matches last longer, there was no "extra challenge" on having to chase down a bot that is just doing it to waste your time. The whole "bots were smart but WG dumb then down because players are bad" is just Chinese whispers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[88TH] Siagor Players 1,336 posts Report post #21 Posted March 2, 2022 On 2/25/2022 at 6:55 PM, Callidous said: A lot of people coming to the forum probably aren't even playing co-op, but if you do, you've probably noticed how terrible the bots are. I'm not talking about their general strength, they've never been much of a challenge. If you want challenge, go randoms or ranked or CB. Leave the bots for the people who want to leisurely shoot dumb bots. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LGOD] Xavi_Bombardier Players 21 posts 14,146 battles Report post #22 Posted March 3, 2022 Well, perhaps the biggest mistake is the conception that bots don't make money. I know plenty of players that play WOWS to have fun and relax - not to compete with others. They buy premium ships, doubloons, etc. and find more relaxing playing Coop as there is less toxicity than in PVP matches. Also, many of them are "seniors", I mean people over 40, with a job or, if pensioned, a pension, so they have purchasing power - when you have an age, at the first symptoms of "toxicity" in the game, you simply quit it - you know enough about life to waste it by standing or discussing with idiots. Well, this profile of player is totally ignored by WG. May this company one day realize? Who knows... 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FLASH] DirtyHeddy Players 1,138 posts 27,780 battles Report post #23 Posted March 4, 2022 On 3/2/2022 at 3:04 PM, Siagor said: Leave the bots for the people who want to leisurely shoot dumb bots. I prefer to leisurely shoot SMART bots ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T0L0S ∞ Players 180 posts 12,663 battles Report post #24 Posted March 4, 2022 18 hours ago, Xavi_Bombardier said: Well, perhaps the biggest mistake is the conception that bots don't make money. I know plenty of players that play WOWS to have fun and relax - not to compete with others. They buy premium ships, doubloons, etc. and find more relaxing playing Coop as there is less toxicity than in PVP matches. Also, many of them are "seniors", I mean people over 40, with a job or, if pensioned, a pension, so they have purchasing power - when you have an age, at the first symptoms of "toxicity" in the game, you simply quit it - you know enough about life to waste it by standing or discussing with idiots. Well, this profile of player is totally ignored by WG. May this company one day realize? Who knows... But you can make credits in co op easily. Just not as much as you can make in randoms. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FLASH] DirtyHeddy Players 1,138 posts 27,780 battles Report post #25 Posted March 4, 2022 4 minutes ago, T0L0S said: But you can make credits in co op easily. Just not as much as you can make in randoms. Shure You can, it takes a little longer, but with a little patience You get a lot of lines complete, get Your commander skilled to high levels, and with a little concept You have also a lot of credits and free XP at hand. The best is: it simply depends on You in COOP, not so much on the performance of Your team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
