AdmiralVonHacke Players 31 posts 1,278 battles Report post #1 Posted February 21, 2022 Hi Folks, recently in the German forum we had a Discussion about the least played T10s. Statistics show that the Daring is among them. can anyone guess why? I hear almost only positive things about her… Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #2 Posted February 21, 2022 The line is not attractive enough for the casual player. Especially the mid Tier ships throw some people off. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RONIN] DDG_121 Players 791 posts 10,936 battles Report post #3 Posted February 21, 2022 I think tier 8-9-10 RN DD are amoıng the best still. I'd use them anyway, and using them in ranked exclusively right now. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panocek Players 13,176 posts 13,617 battles Report post #4 Posted February 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, AdmiralVonHacke said: Hi Folks, recently in the German forum we had a Discussion about the least played T10s. Statistics show that the Daring is among them. can anyone guess why? I hear almost only positive things about her… And care to elaborate why or how various "meta tierlists" bother you? Daring, just like preceding Jutland and Lightning are in league of their own thanks to their combination of gimmicks - acceleration, extremely versatile smokes, adequate to outright violent guns, respectable torpedo rack and heal to patch up after getting tad too exciting cap brawls. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CAG] General_Alexus Players 1,046 posts 13,178 battles Report post #5 Posted February 21, 2022 Daring suffers a little bit from Ragnars/Smallands, but she is a strong package. She also gets countered quite effective by DDs with 5km+ Hydro, VampireII beeing my personal pick when I see too many of them in Ranked. Klebers/Marceaus can also be nasty if they have radarsupport. As for the Meta: I could immagine people prefering all the ships I just mentioned over Daring even though Daring might be the most versitile out of the competetive DDs. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SM0KE] Verblonde Players 9,787 posts 20,664 battles Report post #6 Posted February 21, 2022 29 minutes ago, AdmiralVonHacke said: can anyone guess why? Absolutely guessing: What @ColonelPete said about the mid-tier ships. She relies on guns to do damage, and that requires more than a basic understanding of vision mechanics, and situational awareness (that many average players seem to lack). She isn't particularly hyped at the moment. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hirohito Players 1,717 posts 6,192 battles Report post #7 Posted February 21, 2022 Might be less played, but not a bad pick, especially not for ranked. Still my second favourite DD that I take out quite often. Daring is a real cap bully and can traverse tight spaces like no other. Atually the only reason I didnt reset the RN DD line (which is the line I enjoy the most), is because I want to be able to play Daring at any given time whenever I feel like it - which is often. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panocek Players 13,176 posts 13,617 battles Report post #8 Posted February 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, General_Alexus said: Daring suffers a little bit from Ragnars/Smallands, but she is a strong package. She also gets countered quite effective by DDs with 5km+ Hydro, VampireII beeing my personal pick when I see too many of them in Ranked. Klebers/Marceaus can also be nasty if they have radarsupport. As for the Meta: I could immagine people prefering all the ships I just mentioned over Daring even though Daring might be the most versitile out of the competetive DDs. Smaland/Ragnar/long range hydro is universal issue to most destroyers, at the same time Daring and co with their handling can actually try to dodge their way through incoming hail and can recover a bit with heals Other "normal destroyer" with heal is Grozovoi, and that one is bigger, much clumsier ship that trades volume of fire for high velocity guns. Which does extend effective range against destroyers, but doesn't help much during short range DD brawls at the cap. Consumable package on Grozo also is of... underwhelming effectiveness. Gearing competes with Daring in terms of gunnery and in 1v1, might actually come on top due to 21mm plating in the amidships and Daring player is yet to acknowledge 113mm AP supermacy. But most Gearings are usually built towards their pretty good torps. US smoke is nice for covering teammates, but long cooldown doesn't help you much when CV is after you and there are caps to secure, also when you have incoming BB/cruiser with hydro, much of the smoke is wasted as well. Basically it takes dedicated anti DD specialist to deal with the Daring and even she won't go down without a fight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FDUSH] Sargento_YO Players 1,476 posts 12,665 battles Report post #9 Posted February 21, 2022 Daring looks like a downgrade from Lightning, mainly due it's increased Detectability , lower speed and higher turning circle. Same weapons (only very slighty better reload) and has to face much deadlier ships. There is no reason to go beyound Lightning. 1 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[VIBES] tocqueville8 Players 3,717 posts 39,413 battles Report post #10 Posted February 21, 2022 Imho she's a strong package, but many DD players want either one of two things: torps, or a gimmick. The Daring doesn't have the torpedo power of Shima, Gearing and Somers, and in terms of gimmicks nothing things beat radar (Ragnar and Smaland), but a hydro trap (Z-52 and, to a lesser extent, Vampire 2) comes close. I even play the Druid more, as she has the AP pen to citadel several cruisers at short range. That's a nice gimmick. Daring is versatile, but a bit like the Grozovoi, a hybrid. If I had to choose 1 tier 10 DD, it might be her, but out of 15 or so, there are more "characteristic" ones. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #11 Posted February 21, 2022 6 minutes ago, Sargento_YO said: Daring looks like a downgrade from Lightning, mainly due it's increased concealement, lower speed and higher turning circle. Same weapons (only very slighty better reload) and has to face much deadlier ships. There is no reason to go beyound Lightning. Only when you ignore the AP. There is a reason that Lightning is less dominant on her Tier than Jutland and Daring, even after WG slowing down their reload some patches ago. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PEZ] Yedwy Players 11,301 posts 39,586 battles Report post #12 Posted February 21, 2022 1 hour ago, AdmiralVonHacke said: Hi Folks, recently in the German forum we had a Discussion about the least played T10s. Statistics show that the Daring is among them. can anyone guess why? I hear almost only positive things about her… People struggle to use AP on DDs and that skill is a prerequisite for good Jutland/Daring/Vampire II/Druid experience, also they are not that interesting to wider audiences I guess as they are hybrids and are not super special in either torps or guns compared to some other lines, also they are slower and weak players have issues picking fights in them... IMO they are still among the strongest lines in the CV meta due to the loads of short smokes they carry and they can still take on most DDs mano a mano... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CAG] General_Alexus Players 1,046 posts 13,178 battles Report post #13 Posted February 21, 2022 22 minutes ago, Sargento_YO said: Daring looks like a downgrade from Lightning, mainly due it's increased Detectability , lower speed and higher turning circle. Same weapons (only very slighty better reload) and has to face much deadlier ships. There is no reason to go beyound Lightning. only very slighty better reload? 4.5s vs 2.8s (lets even ignore the reload mod) Daring has a 60% faster Basereload, what the hell is "slightly better" in your world? 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CAG] General_Alexus Players 1,046 posts 13,178 battles Report post #14 Posted February 21, 2022 43 minutes ago, Panocek said: Basically it takes dedicated anti DD specialist to deal with the Daring and even she won't go down without a fight. Yes, but as DDs decide the matches in Ranked (I am sure you are aware of this) people choose the dedicated DD hunters over Daring. In Radom the numbers are scewed by potatoes playing Shima and Halland I guess. OPs question was how to explain the Serverstatistics, not about if daring is a good ship or not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AdmiralVonHacke Players 31 posts 1,278 battles Report post #15 Posted February 21, 2022 Vor 34 Minuten, Yedwy sagte: People struggle to use AP on DDs and that skill is a prerequisite for good Jutland/Daring/Vampire II/Druid experience, also they are not that interesting to wider audiences I guess as they are hybrids and are not super special in either torps or guns compared to some other lines, also they are slower and weak players have issues picking fights in them... IMO they are still among the strongest lines in the CV meta due to the loads of short smokes they carry and they can still take on most DDs mano a mano... Could you explain how to best use AP in a DD for a Player who is very Bad in Lightning But Likes her much and Wants to get Better? 😬 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panocek Players 13,176 posts 13,617 battles Report post #16 Posted February 21, 2022 1 minute ago, AdmiralVonHacke said: Could you explain how to best use AP in a DD for a Player who is very Bad in Lightning But Likes her much and Wants to get Better? 😬 Don't aim at waterline, where usually the thickest armor is. Bow, stern, upper hull, superstructure are valid target when target uses all-or-nothing armor scheme and is broadside. Only Ger and RU BBs with their armored upper hulls/bows/sterns can pose an issue. Ricochet rules still apply obviously 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PEZ] Yedwy Players 11,301 posts 39,586 battles Report post #17 Posted February 21, 2022 3 hours ago, AdmiralVonHacke said: Could you explain how to best use AP in a DD for a Player who is very Bad in Lightning But Likes her much and Wants to get Better? 😬 Lightning doesnt have the low pen due to 113 mm he issue and iirc doesnt have the improved angle AP either, only other DD with it that comes to mind is Fenyang (Smasha) as for how to use it, well - dont bounce or shred it, you need to aim at plates you can pen and at angles it can bite in, thats kinda experience to a degree since some ships have thick parts you wont pen but in general - BBs/CAs superstructure, extremities (when not in autobounce angles) upper belts (some bbs are to thick there), CLs usually same but some you can punch through even at main belts, DDs pretty much anywhere although superstructure migh be too thin side on but still you can pop them mid when broadside… Best tactic when possible - start permafire and then farm with AP 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLITZ] WeGreedy Players 3,005 posts 15,010 battles Report post #18 Posted February 22, 2022 13 hours ago, Sargento_YO said: Daring looks like a downgrade from Lightning, mainly due it's increased Detectability , lower speed and higher turning circle. Same weapons (only very slighty better reload) and has to face much deadlier ships. There is no reason to go beyound Lightning. Daring has .1 km better concealment 60% higher HE DPM 50% higher AP DPM* *slightly less penetration, but better ricochet angles Sure, she faces deadlier ships, but also has a heal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LOZFFVII Players 2,848 posts 5,365 battles Report post #19 Posted February 22, 2022 6 hours ago, ColonelPete said: even after WG slowing down their reload some patches ago. After my first couple of battle in Jutland today after 2 years, now I know why the reload felt slow. 2 hours ago, Yedwy said: Best tactic when possible - start permafire and then farm with AP Oh good, that's what I've been trying to do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RONIN] DDG_121 Players 791 posts 10,936 battles Report post #20 Posted February 22, 2022 Don't forget torp single launch . Can prove very very deadly in the right circumstances. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panocek Players 13,176 posts 13,617 battles Report post #21 Posted February 22, 2022 5 hours ago, WeGreedy said: Daring has .1 km better concealment Daring have 6km detection compared to Lighty 5.5km, not sure in what world that makes "0.1 better concealment". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AdmiralVonHacke Players 31 posts 1,278 battles Report post #22 Posted February 22, 2022 So in a DD 1:1 e.g. Cap contesting… would you recommend Daring (or even Lightning) to use AP? for me the Time in this Situations is too short to overthink the angling and Armor plating and then changing ammo Types. In a Cruiser I slowly get used to it, But right Now in fast tight DD vs DD in Ranges 5-8 Km … right now I still Need a kind of Standard recipe from which I can build on… Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[S_W] N00Boo7 Players 398 posts 33,638 battles Report post #23 Posted February 22, 2022 I play few games in Daring because.. UK DD Line is my go to line for farming Research Bureau points. So i spend time mostly on tiers VI to IX, for me are best DDs for random, good concealment, good maneuverability, good pack of gimmicks, long lasting hydro for defense, fast reuse smokes to piss off CV's, or for a quick fire farm on BBs. In same time for tier X are better DDs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #24 Posted February 22, 2022 1 hour ago, AdmiralVonHacke said: So in a DD 1:1 e.g. Cap contesting… would you recommend Daring (or even Lightning) to use AP? for me the Time in this Situations is too short to overthink the angling and Armor plating and then changing ammo Types. In a Cruiser I slowly get used to it, But right Now in fast tight DD vs DD in Ranges 5-8 Km … right now I still Need a kind of Standard recipe from which I can build on… Daring - AP, unless the enemy DD is angled Lightning - HE 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MORIA] Johnny_Moneto Beta Tester 2,903 posts 22,225 battles Report post #25 Posted February 22, 2022 Vor 2 Stunden, AdmiralVonHacke sagte: So in a DD 1:1 e.g. Cap contesting… would you recommend Daring (or even Lightning) to use AP? for me the Time in this Situations is too short to overthink the angling and Armor plating and then changing ammo Types. In a Cruiser I slowly get used to it, But right Now in fast tight DD vs DD in Ranges 5-8 Km … right now I still Need a kind of Standard recipe from which I can build on… In your case Daring might not work well. She is most effective if you switch ammo types depending on how much your opponent angles. Also, against broadside Ragnar, Khaba, Gearing AP is a must. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
