Fix Udaloi's concealment

[snake_sv]

To be like the rest of the ships at its branch .

The disparity in concealment that this ship has, compared to the rest of its branch is humongous and without any reasoning behind it . 

when you moved it to the dd cap contester line branch ,you buffed the torp range but you forgot the concealment .

Counter argument : grozo is siting at 6km and also is better at everything else .

 

You cant get more constructive that that . Fix plz 

 

 

[SodaBubbles]

Yes please. Then I will have even more fun in Udaloi. 

That thing is a monster. The last thing it needs is more concealment. 

[snake_sv]

not when contesting witch is what this branch is suppose to do and created for.

[Aragathor]

Instead of changing concealment WG should replace the Udaloi with a ship that fits into the progression between Ognevoi and Grozovoi.

Then Udaloi could become a coal ship and play as a gunboat.

[Hugh_Ruka]

4 minutes ago, Aragathor said:

Instead of changing concealment WG should replace the Udaloi with a ship that fits into the progression between Ognevoi and Grozovoi.

Then Udaloi could become a coal ship and play as a gunboat.

THIS !!!!

[snake_sv]

5 minutes ago, Aragathor said:

Instead of changing concealment WG should replace the Udaloi with a ship that fits into the progression between Ognevoi and Grozovoi.

Then Udaloi could become a coal ship and play as a gunboat.

not bad

[RuruushuVuiBuritania]

Udaloi is probably my favourite T9 DD and it still holds my DD record! So I whole-heartedly endorse any kind of buff or turning it into a premium. 

[Panocek]

22 minutes ago, Aragathor said:

Instead of changing concealment WG should replace the Udaloi with a ship that fits into the progression between Ognevoi and Grozovoi.

Then Udaloi could become a coal ship and play as a gunboat.

Well, WG could replace Udaloi with Kotlin/project 56 destroyers in their initial config, comparable to Neustrashimy. But I'm not so sure if "slightly better Ognevoi" would be desirable replacement to Udaloi, especially as Neustra already packs all the consumables, 5.5km concealment and then brit grade 3d printer to make herself workable.

 

Then there is already RU DD coal destroyer and second one... uhh, not so sure about?

[The_Pillager]

25 minutes ago, Aragathor said:

Instead of changing concealment WG should replace the Udaloi with a ship that fits into the progression between Ognevoi and Grozovoi.

Then Udaloi could become a coal ship and play as a gunboat.

Fantastic idea, absolutely this ! 

[The_Pillager]

4 minutes ago, Panocek said:

Well, WG could replace Udaloi with Kotlin/project 56 destroyers in their initial config, comparable to Neustrashimy. But I'm not so sure if "slightly better Ognevoi" would be desirable replacement to Udaloi, especially as Neustra already packs all the consumables, 5.5km concealment and then brit grade 3d printer to make herself workable.

 

Then there is already RU DD coal destroyer and second one... uhh, not so sure about?

You are right ... but did this prevent WG in the past from presenting double, triple, quadruple special ships for the same tier and purpose ? ^^

 

So why not two special T9 RU DD ? If it brings money for WG and fun for us ... ? 

[Panocek]

1 minute ago, The_Pillager said:

You are right ... but did this prevent WG in the past from presenting double, triple, quadruple special ships for the same tier and purpose ? ^^

 

So why not two special T9 RU DD ? If it brings money for WG and fun for us ... ? 

Except there isn't much money to be made by turning old ship, that already was moved in the tech tree into coal premium comrade...

 

Not unless WG just replaces Udaloi with Pr56/something else and offers Udaloi-lookalike for RB or other dockyard 

[fumtu]

55 minutes ago, Aragathor said:

Instead of changing concealment WG should replace the Udaloi with a ship that fits into the progression between Ognevoi and Grozovoi.

Then Udaloi could become a coal ship and play as a gunboat.

 

If WG had any sense, they would move Udaloy to be T10 in "gunboat" line instead of Khaba instead of making up Delny, and replace it ...

 

33 minutes ago, Panocek said:

... with Kotlin/project 56 destroyers in their initial config, comparable to Neustrashimy.

 

... but then, as already pointed out ...

 

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But I'm not so sure if "slightly better Ognevoi" would be desirable replacement to Udaloi, especially as Neustra already packs all the consumables, 5.5km concealment and then brit grade 3d printer to make herself workable.

 

To be correct it is 5.6km concealment but nevertheless it is a proper concern. Maybe if WG revisit whole line Ognevoy - new ship - Grozovoy, they could came up with something different and something that will distinguish both lines much better, like longer range torps for example or whatever. But I doubt WG would ever do something like this.

[GarrusBrutus]

1 hour ago, snake_sv said:

when you moved it to the dd cap contester line branch

Cap contesting with Ognevoi and Grozo? I don't know about that chief.

 

[Aragathor]

47 minutes ago, Panocek said:

Well, WG could replace Udaloi with Kotlin/project 56 destroyers in their initial config, comparable to Neustrashimy. But I'm not so sure if "slightly better Ognevoi" would be desirable replacement to Udaloi, especially as Neustra already packs all the consumables, 5.5km concealment and then brit grade 3d printer to make herself workable.

 

Then there is already RU DD coal destroyer and second one... uhh, not so sure about?

I wouldn't mind having that ship in the game.

 

Spoiler

 

But it would indeed be similar to Neustra. Neustra should have been the T9...

[Panocek]

2 minutes ago, fumtu said:

 

If WG had any sense, they would move Udaloy to be T10 in "gunboat" line instead of Khaba instead of making up Delny, and replace it ...

 

 

... but then, as already pointed out ...

 

 

To be correct it is 5.6km concealment but nevertheless it is a proper concern. Maybe if WG revisit whole line Ognevoy - new ship - Grozovoy, they could came up with something different and something that will distinguish both lines much better, like longer range torps for example or whatever. But I doubt WG would ever do something like this.

Certainly Oggy could see a buff, she is a torp boat not because of good torps, but even Kagero outguns her, let alone outspots by major margin. I don't quite see how to make Pr56 DD a tier 9 materiel without getting a Neustra clone either. Grozo looks good compared to Delny, but she still falls flat compared to Daring and Gearing and given she had nerfs in her history (mild main gun and torp reload ones) I don't think WG would want to poke this particular bear.

[Hugh_Ruka]

1 hour ago, Panocek said:

Well, WG could replace Udaloi with Kotlin/project 56 destroyers in their initial config, comparable to Neustrashimy. But I'm not so sure if "slightly better Ognevoi" would be desirable replacement to Udaloi, especially as Neustra already packs all the consumables, 5.5km concealment and then brit grade 3d printer to make herself workable.

 

Then there is already RU DD coal destroyer and second one... uhh, not so sure about?

Having a Neustra copy with Grozovoi gun performance on T9 would be certainly interesting. Better guns and concealment than Obnevoi while still keeping the Grozovoi consumable layout and efficiency ... (no zombie heal).

[fumtu]

1 hour ago, Panocek said:

Certainly Oggy could see a buff, she is a torp boat not because of good torps, but even Kagero outguns her, let alone outspots by major margin. I don't quite see how to make Pr56 DD a tier 9 materiel without getting a Neustra clone either. Grozo looks good compared to Delny, but she still falls flat compared to Daring and Gearing and given she had nerfs in her history (mild main gun and torp reload ones)

 

I am not saying just buff them but rethink them completely. Ognevoy. Kotlin and Grozo would make more coherent line than what we have now. Even making them closer to Neustra, with some differences might work if done properly. Whole original AA DDs now means very little.

 

1 hour ago, Panocek said:

I don't think WG would want to poke this particular bear.

 

That I agree, there is nothing for WG here, it would require resources and time which could be dedicated elsewhere and more profitably. Maybe if WG decide to add another branch they will revisit old branches but even that is debatable. 

[tocqueville8]

I've come to accept the quirks of many of these lines.

 

In this case, something like the Neustrashimy should've been the T9 and the Udaloi...a fun coal ship? It's not the case, and it's cool.

I'm saving dubs to get the Udaloi permacamo, anyway: it looks like a salamander or something... 

[Panocek]

36 minutes ago, Hugh_Ruka said:

Having a Neustra copy with Grozovoi gun performance on T9 would be certainly interesting. Better guns and concealment than Obnevoi while still keeping the Grozovoi consumable layout and efficiency ... (no zombie heal).

Grozovoi, Oggy and Neustrashimy have the same consumable package, latter just have 3d printer. Neustra and Grozovoi also use the same guns. Not only that, Neustrashimy guns also slightly reload faster (4s vs 4.2s) to try to make up for having only 4 barrels. Then Neustra have harder hitting torps to boot - 18k a pop compared to 16k on Grozo.

 

So Pr56 DD with same consumable layout as Oggy, Neustrashimy and Grozovoi, the same modern 130mm as the latter but only 2 turrets with latter 10km torps and lets say, 5.6km ship detection... doesn't sound all that promising over Udaloi. In line with ships? Yes, but that ship would be more of a Free Exp hurdle than actually enjoyable boat. And certainly would look like demo version of a Neustra.

Unless "that russian 3d printer" that recovers 30% hp on Neustrashimy would be used on whole Grozovoi line now that would be something... except it would make "gunboat" line even worse in comparison.

 

On second thought, Hydro as option instead DFAA? Not necessarily 4-5km range ones, 3km UK one would be very welcome

[Hugh_Ruka]

1 minute ago, Panocek said:

Grozovoi, Oggy and Neustrashimy have the same consumable package, latter just have 3d printer. Neustra and Grozovoi also use the same guns. Not only that, Neustrashimy guns also slightly reload faster (4s vs 4.2s) to try to make up for having only 4 barrels. Then Neustra have harder hitting torps to boot - 18k a pop compared to 16k on Grozo.

 

So Pr56 DD with same consumable layout as Oggy, Neustrashimy and Grozovoi, the same modern 130mm as the latter but only 2 turrets with latter 10km torps and lets say, 5.6km ship detection... doesn't sound all that promising over Udaloi. In line with ships? Yes, but that ship would be more of a Free Exp hurdle than actually enjoyable boat. And certainly would look like demo version of a Neustra.

Unless "that russian 3d printer" that recovers 30% hp on Neustrashimy would be used on whole Grozovoi line now that would be something... except it would make "gunboat" line even worse in comparison.

For what ever reason, the Neustrashimy has a wonky dispersion .. the shells go all over the place ... Grozo is more accurate ...

[Panocek]

3 minutes ago, Hugh_Ruka said:

For what ever reason, the Neustrashimy has a wonky dispersion .. the shells go all over the place ... Grozo is more accurate ...

That I believe could be tied to turret layout, with so much distance between them. Halland and Gron also have wonky dispersion moments at times.

[Matt_FSR]

Yeah, Udaloi definitely needs a buff.... 

[Aragathor]

10 minutes ago, Matt_FSR said:

Yeah, Udaloi definitely needs a buff.... 

This is a 4 month old replay result. It represents your best game in the Udaloi. In the other 46 battles you came to a WR of 48.94%, not impressive at all. But you know how to farm people in the ship.

One single result screen is not an argument against what op said.

 

Here's how you could have made a better argument without posting an inconsequential battle result:

The 28 day stats for Udaloi compared to other T9 ships.

 

Looking at the recent stats it is clear that Udaloi is doing good. it is in the middle when it comes to popularity but has a very respectable WR of 52.5. Making it the best silver DD at T9.

The average damage though isn't impressive with 39k, below average for the tier. The one thing that Udaloi can do is survive fights and kill other DDs with the K/D of 1.25.

 

It's clear that Udaloi is not a weak ship, it doesn't need an immediate buff to correct a glaring weakness. What it suffers from is being out of sync with other ships in its line.

 

Looks much better than posting a single game result, does it?

[Matt_FSR]

Much better, I just didn't have the time to dig up the stats   :)

 

Good point well made, I was being semi-jokey about that Udaloi game.   I don't even run CE on my Udaloi captain because even with CE, every DD she meets out-spots her so why bother?   I'd have guessed my win ratio was higher in her, but I have fun in her so that's all I care about.  My stats are probably skewed from when I tried to drive her like Ognevoi, and failed miserable at it!    

 

It does make no sense whatsoever that she has the concealment that she does, sandwiched between 2 fairly stealthy torpedo destroyers, but this is WG -  Leave logic at the door sometimes.

[snake_sv]

1 hour ago, Aragathor said:

What it suffers from is being out of sync with other ships in its line.

This is my point spot on. 

I'm not talking about the ship been good or bad as a stand alone ship . The ship doesn't fit to its branch.