Can we get uhhhhhhh Turkish Navy maybe?

[ARE_YOU_HUMAN]

Tinaztepe class Destroyers (1931)

 

The Tinaztepe and the Zafer were built at the Riva shipyard in Trigoso in addition to the Kocatepe. They were inspired directly by Freccia's plans, but their chimney ducts emerged separately. They could also anchor mines and had a less active career, apart from a few sorties in 1945 in a Mediterranean furrowed by Allied ships. They were scrapped in 1957.

Specifications
Displacement: 1206t, 1610t FL
Dimensions: 96 x 9.30 x 3.28 m
Propulsion: 2 shaftsParsons turbines, 35,000 hp. 36 knots max.
Crew: 149
Armament: 4 x 120 mm, 2 x QF 2 pdr Mark VIII ("pom-pom")  AA, 2 x 20 mm AA, 6 x 533 mm TTs.

 

 

Kocatepe class Destroyers (1931)

 

Built in Genoa (Ansaldo), these two units (Adatepe and Kocatepe) were generally inspired by Italian standard destroyers, but with four simple turrets instead of doubles, requiring dedicated deckhouses and lengthening the length of these ships, and two fireplaces. instead of a. For the rest, they were fast, flawless marine vessels. They participated in some patrols in 1945 and continued their service until about 1955.

Specifications
Displacement: 1250t, 1650t FL
Dimensions: 100,20 x 9,37 x 2,90 m
Propulsion: 2 shafts Thornycroft turbines, 40,000 hp, 36 knots (67 km/h).
Crew: 149
Armament: 4 x 120 mm, 2 x QF 2 pdr Mark VIII ("pom-pom")  AA, 2 x 20 mm AA, 6 x 533 mm TTs.

 

 

Birindci Inönü class submersibles (1926)

 

Translated as "Number 1 and 2", the Birindci and Ikindci were submersibles studied by the Germans at the Hague office (and built in Fijenoord). These were buildings inspired by the UB of 1917, much improved. Designed in 1925, they were delivered in 1927. Oceanic, powerful, they plunged up to 150 meters and spun 8.5 knots under water. They will be demolished in 1955-56.

Specifications
Displacement: 505t, 620t surf./sub.
Dimensions: 58.68 x 5.80 x 3.50 m
Propulsion: 2 shafts 2 MAN diesels, 1100/700 hp. surf./sub 13,5/8,5 knots.
Crew: 29
Armament: 1 x 75 mm gun, 1 x 20 mm AA, 6 x 450 mm (4 bow, 2 stern) TTs.

 

Medjidieh class Cruisers (1906)

 

Medjidieh and Hamidieh, although classified as different ships, were very close. Designed on British plans and built elsewhere in Britain, they were perfect examples of export cruisers bearing the brink of Armstrong-Eltswick shipyards. At that time, they were still the pride of a navy formerly powerful and which counted mainly in its ranks that ancient battleships of the nineteenth century reconverted into floating batteries. Painted in khaki green, the livery of the Turkish ships in 1914, they participated in various operations in the Black Sea, but did not intervene against the fleet allied to the Dardanelles.

Specifications
-Displacement: 1206t, 1610t FL
-Dimensions: 96 x 9.30 x 3.28 m
-Propulsion: 2 shaft Parsons turbines, 35,000 hp. and 36 Knots max.
-Armour: Crew 149
-Armament: 4 x 120 mm, 2 x 40 mm Bofors AA, 2 x 20 mm AA, 6 x 533 mm TTs.

 

 

TCG Sultanhisar (1940)

 

TCG Sultanhisar was a Demirhisar-class destroyer built for the Turkish Navy during the Second World War. The design of her class was based on the British I class. 

Sultanhisar displaced 1,360 long tons (1,380 t) at standard load and 1,910 long tons (1,940 t) at deep load. The ship had an overall length of 323 feet (98.5 m), a beam of 33 feet (10.1 m) and a draught of 8 feet 6 inches (2.6 m). She was powered by Parsons geared steam turbines, driving two shafts, which developed a total of 34,000 shaft horsepower (25,000 kW) and gave a maximum speed of 35.5 knots (65.7 km/h; 40.9 mph). Steam for the turbines was provided by three Admiralty three-drum boilers. Sultanhisar carried a maximum of 455 long tons (462 t) of fuel oil. The ship's complement was 145 officers and men.[1]

The ship mounted four 45-calibre 4.7-inch (120 mm) Mark IX guns in single mounts. For anti-aircraft (AA) defence, Sultanhisar had four single mounts for Oerlikon 20 mm cannon. She was fitted with two above-water quadruple mounts for 21-inch (533 mm) torpedoes.[1]

 

Class and type    Demirhisar-class destroyer
Displacement    
1,360 long tons (1,380 t) (standard)
1,910 long tons (1,940 t) (deep load)
Length    323 ft (98.5 m)
Beam    33 ft (10.1 m)
Draught    8 ft 6 in (2.6 m)
Installed power    
34,000 shp (25,000 kW)
3 Admiralty 3-drum boilers
Propulsion    2 shafts; 2 geared steam turbines
Speed    35.5 knots (65.7 km/h; 40.9 mph)
Complement    145
Sensors and
processing systems    ASDIC
Armament    
4 × single QF 4.7-inch (120 mm) Mk IX guns
4 × single Oerlikon 20 mm cannon
2 × quadruple 21-inch (533 mm) torpedo tubes

 

 

 

Istanbul class destroyers (1969)
TGC Iskenderun, Icel, Istanbul, Izmir, Ismit

 

Standard Fletcher class destroyers, acquired in 1967-69 as they were to be discarded. Not modernized much in US service to the exception of TGC Icel that had a rebuilt bridge and served as a training ship in Gölcük. They were discarded in 1980-81 (Izmit, Icel, Iskanderun) and 1987 (Istanbul, Izmir). Pennants were D343-344.

 

Muavenet class destroyers (1971)
TGC Muavenet, Zafer

 

Ex Allen M Sumner ships, modernized with without ASW equipment. They received new radars and armament in 1981-83: SPS-40 and a twin 76 mm automatic cannon. Mines rails were kept, able to deploy 80 mines. TGC Muavenet was badly damaged on 2 october 1992 during exercises with NATO by a sea sparrow that was launched from USS Saratoga by error. She was not repaired but discarded instead in 1993 and her sister ship Zafer in 1994. The latter has a FRAM II modernization and was transferred in 1971 fitted wit two twin 40 mm bofors and a twin 35 mm Oerlikon in 1979.

 

Gaziantep class destroyers (1949)
TGC Gaziantep, Gelibolu, Gemlik, Giresun

 

 

Standard 1942 Gleaves class destroyers built at Federal, Kearney, transferred in two batches, April 1949 and 1950. They were unmodified although modernized in 1945 with radar. In 1957-58 the four ships returned to the USA for modernization: Fully enclosed bridge, tripod foremast X main gun turret replaced by four 3-in AA guns. They were discarded in 1973, 1976 and 1981. Pennants were D344 to D347. Specifications: As WW2 Gleaves class but 4x 5-in (127 mm) and 4x 3-in/80 AA.

 

T.C.G Yavuz Sultan Selim (1911)

 

 

The Yavuz Sultan Selim was not named that way until August 16, 1914. She was undoubtedly one the most famous ship of the war after the Lusitania in the consequences it engendered. Originally, the Kaiserflotte battle cruiser SMS Goeben (Moltke class) and her teamship, light cruiser SMS Breslau, formed the German Mediterranean squadron. With the outbreak of hostilities, Vice-Admiral Souchon managed to reach Constantinople during an epic chase (see the Goeben affair).

The Turkish fleet had recently been amputated from two vessels ordered and paid for at British shipyards, and diplomatic relations had stalled. The Kaiser saw there an opportunity to join the Ottoman Empire to his cause by opportunely offering the two German ships, put in a difficult position because of Turkish neutrality. On August 16, Souchon received the approval of the Kaiser and his officers combed the fez while Sultan Abdul Hamid II baptized the Goeben Yavuz Sultan Selim and the Breslau Midilli. Their first naval operation started on October 28, when Turkey declared war on Russia.

The two ex-German ships (with their original crew) were still under the command of Wilhelm Souchon, as grand admiral of the Turkish fleet. He carried out a series of bombardments of the Russian coast, in particular Odessa, Sevastopol, Novorrossisk. Then on November 18, the Yavuz carried out an interception of the Russian battleships of the Black Sea fleet. This became the battle of Cape Sarytch on November 18.

On December 10, she made another outing to Batum, but hit while returning on two Russian mines placed in the Bosphorus. Her repairs were completed in April, and the Yavuz made another sortie and met the Russian fleet. She left the duel with 2 large calibers hit on May 10. On January 20, 1918, she hit two other mines and was bombed twice by allied aviation. She carried out a total of 17 actions in the Black Sea, and was interned and inactive until 1926. From there, she was modernized b a French yard and served during the Second World War. She was written off and broken up in 1956, sadly the only example of a German battlecruiser of that era, and last battecruiser afloat.

specifications
Déplacement: 22 616 t, 25 300 t FL
Dimensions: 186,5 x 29,5 x 9 m
Propulsion: 4 shaft Parsons turbines, 24 Schultze-Thornycroft boilers= 52 000 hp. 25,5 knots
Armour: Battery 200, Citadel 200, Main turrets 230, belt 250, blockhaus 350, barbettes 230 mm
Equipage: 1355.
Armament: 10 x 280 (5x2), 12 x 150, 12 x 88, 4 x 500 mm TTs (Sub, fwd, aft, 2 bds)

 

Cruiser T.C.G Midilli (1911)

 

This inseparable traveling companion of the SMS Goeben, light cruiser of the Magdeburg class by the name of SMS Breslau, became the Midilli on August 16, 1914, after having taken refuge in Constantinople. Already under the German flag, she had fired the first shots of the war by shelling Bône and Philippeville in Algeria on August 3, then crossed swords with HMS Goucester while heading east.

Under the Turkish flag, she was widely used in sorties with Yavuz, ex-Goeben, as a scout, but not hesitating to cross swords with other ships, like an old Russian battleship at the battle of Cape Sarytch in November 1914. The second of command was a young officer by the name of Karl Dönitz. On October 29, she devastated Novorrossisk, sinking 14 steamers and destroying the 40 oil tanks of the harbor, seriously hampering Russian moves in the areas. On December 23, she sank a transport and captured a cargo ship intended to block the port of Zonguldak.

In April 1915 she sank two other freighters, then the night of this action, helped by the powerful searchlights of the Yavuz, she sank three Russian destroyers. In August, a duel set her against other destroyers, and she sank two, after being badly hit. On July 4, TGC Midilli shelled Tuapse and Lazarevskoye, sinking the cargo ship Kniaz Obolensky. She was hit in the bow by the Russian Battleship Imperatrista Mariya. She laid mines in the Sea of Azov. In 1916, she replaced her 105 mm pieces with two 150 mm Krupp models, and in 1917, with a complete battery of 8 guns of this caliber. She was seriously damaged by a mine in July 1915, but definitively lost on January 20, 1918 by hitting 5 mines in a British field near Imbros, and sank by the stern in ten minutes with the two thirds of her crew. Yavuz survived her.

specifications
Displacement 4570 t - 5587 t Ft
Dimension 138.6 x 13.4 x 5.1 m
Propulsion 4 shafts, 2 turbines, 11 standard boilers, 35,500 hp. 28.2 knots
Armor (see Magdebug class)
Armament (1918) 12 x 150 mm, 2 x 500 mm TTs, 120 mines.

 

 

Battleships class Hayreddin Barbarossa (1891)

 

If the operations of the Turkish fleet were carried out with fast units, the battleships of the fleet were however anchored in Constantinople. Indeed for long the most recent Turkish battleship was the Messudieh, dating from 1875. In 1910, faced with impending war in the Balkans (and facing Greece), the Turkish government asked the kaiser for the purchase of two battleships then in reserve, from the Brandenburg class. After agreement on September 10, the two units, the Kurfürst Wilhelm and the Weissembourg were bought and joined Constantinople, while at the same time, the Turkish government approached the British for the construction of two other units. After their arrival, the two units were renamed Hayreddin Barbarossa and Torgud Reis, and repainted in khaki, the singular wartime livery of the Turkish Navy.

They were very active during the first Balkan War, bombing Varna, supporting the Chatajla line against the Bulgarians, then taking part in two naval battles against the Greeks on December 16, 1912 and January 18, 1913. Damaged, they each lost a casemate gun. They were also partially disarmed and their artillery ventilated between other auxiliary ships and fortifications of the Dardanelles. They served as coast guards in 1914-18. TGC Barbarossa was torpedoed and sunk by the E11 on August 8, 1915 near Boulair (Sea of Marmara). Torgud Reis, which towed the Yavuz seriously damaged by mines, saved it in January 1918. In 1928, she was converted into a training ship and broken up in 1957, after 66 years of good and loyal service.

specifications
Displacement: 10,500 t
Dimensions: 115.7 x 19.5 x 7.9 m
Propulsion: 2 shaft VTE steam engines, 12 boilers, 10,200 hp, 16.5 knots.
Armor: Main turrets 380 mm, belt 305 mm, barbettes 150 mm
Crew: 568.
Armament 6 x 280mm (3x2), 8 x 105mm, 8 x 88 mm, 6 TLT 450 mm.

 

Battleship Messudieh (1875)

 

The only battleship in the Turkish fleet before the first Balkan War in 1912 was a completely obsolete battleship, the only remaining from waves of old reformed mixed line ships dating back from the second half of the past century. She was rearmed in 1891 with three Krupp guns of 150 mm, then was completely rebuilt in 1898-1903 at the Ansaldo shipyards. She came out with a new superstructure, new machinery, and a new modern battery (See the sheet below). However the two 233 mm in turrets provided at the front and at aft were never assembled, and the Messudieh resumed service with... two wooden replicas instead !. Of questionable military value to say the least, she was sent to the Dardanelles Strait, firmly anchored in Charnak in addition to the coastal batteries. She was spotted and torpedoed by the British submersible B11 on December 1, 1914.

specifications
Displacement 9120 t standard
Dimensions 101 x 18 x 7.90 m
Propulsion 2 shaft TE steam engines, 16 Niclausse boilers, 11,000 hp, 16 knots.
Armor: Belt 305, battery 254, casemates 80, blockhouse 203, bridge 76 mm;
Crew 600
Armament 12 x 152, 14 x 76, 10 x 57, 2 x 47 mm guns.

 

 

[Siagor]

Does your Internet works? Has yor local Football Federation lifted the ban?

[ARE_YOU_HUMAN]

13 minutes ago, Siagor said:

Does your Internet works? Has yor local Football Federation lifted the ban?

Maybe. It works. It could also be wg. 

Sometimes the content of the website clips into each other.

 

 

[NewHorizons_1]

52 minutes ago, Eagle_Six_TR said:

... they were fast, flawless marine vessels.

... <clipped>  ...
Propulsion: 2 shafts Thornycroft turbines, 40,000 hp, 16 knots.

Is that a typo in the description of the Kocatepe class? 3 knots slower than a stock Colorado doesn't seem fast to me.

Interesting read though.

[lafeel]

5 minutes ago, NewHorizons_1 said:

Is that a typo in the description of the Kocatepe class? 3 knots slower than a stock Colorado doesn't seem fast to me.

Interesting read though.

It is. Wiki credits them  with a far better 36 knots. 

[ARE_YOU_HUMAN]

3 minutes ago, NewHorizons_1 said:

Is that a typo in the description of the Kocatepe class? 3 knots slower than a stock Colorado doesn't seem fast to me.

Interesting read though.

 

1 minute ago, lafeel said:

It is. Wiki credits them  with a far better 36 knots. 

Yeah checked it and fixed it. 

36 knots.

[lafeel]

6 minutes ago, Eagle_Six_TR said:

 

Yeah checked it and fixed it. 

36 knots.

Small further correction, neither the Kocatepe class nor the Tinaztepe class had 40mm Bofors guns, they had the more standard (even standard for the RM at the time) 40mm "pom pom"

[ARE_YOU_HUMAN]

14 minutes ago, lafeel said:

Small further correction, neither the Kocatepe class nor the Tinaztepe class had 40mm Bofors guns, they had the more standard (even standard for the RM at the time) 40mm "pom pom"

yeah you're right. Wiki says they had pom poms. Damn I thought I got them from the correct sources. I should have checked wiki. editing it now

 

Edit: I think the wrong info doesn't stop there. I will check them carefully when I got a free time.

[lafeel]

12 minutes ago, Eagle_Six_TR said:

yeah you're right. Wiki says they had pom poms. Damn I thought I got them from the correct sources. I should have checked wiki. editing it now

 

Edit: I think the wrong info doesn't stop there. I will check them carefully when I got a free time.

I'm not sure the Breslau/Midilli was ever up gunned to 150mm guns either while we're at it..

[fumtu]

5 minutes ago, lafeel said:

I'm not sure the Breslau/Midilli was ever up gunned to 150mm guns either while we're at it..

 

Seems like by 1917, all 12 105mm guns were replaced with 8 150mm guns.

[lafeel]

13 minutes ago, fumtu said:

 

Seems like by 1917, all 12 105mm guns were replaced with 8 150mm guns.

Problem is I have a book source that says otherwise. It says the Magdeburg class were indeed upgunned with 15cm guns in 1917, with two notable exceptions, one that was lost at Jutland and the Midilli.

[Ronchabale]

 

Can we get uhhhhhhh Turkish Navy maybe?

I´d much rather have some real life Turkish Ironclads, WW1 BB:s or low tier cruisers and destroyers than the constant stream of broken fantasy ships and dream shiplines

[lafeel]

6 minutes ago, Ronchabale said:

 

Can we get uhhhhhhh Turkish Navy maybe?

I´d much rather have some real life Turkish Ironclads, WW1 BB:s or low tier cruisers and destroyers than the constant stream of broken fantasy ships and dream shiplines

All the ships he posted up there are real enough. Even if some are clones of ships already in game.

[fumtu]

6 minutes ago, lafeel said:

Problem is I have a book source that says otherwise. It says the Magdeburg class were indeed upgunned with 15cm guns in 1917, with two notable exceptions, one that was lost at Jutland and the Midilli.

 

From The Kaiser's Cruisers, 1871-1918

 

 

[lafeel]

6 minutes ago, fumtu said:

 

From The Kaiser's Cruisers, 1871-1918

 

 

I stand corrected then.

[Ronchabale]

Just now, lafeel said:

All the ships he posted up there are real enough. Even if some are clones of ships already in game.

I know, and yes I´d rather see them in the game but they are mostly low tier so no money for WG so I dunno if it is very likely 

[invicta2012]

Muavenet wasn't an Allen M Sumner (although cool ship, that's Yue Yang), she was a Robert H Smith class. Good gun boat - Tier IX without a doubt -  but no torps. She was a minelayer. So why not a test bed for mines? I seem to recall the Turkish Navy was quite handy with those. 

[lafeel]

21 minutes ago, invicta2012 said:

Muavenet wasn't an Allen M Sumner (although cool ship, that's Yue Yang), she was a Robert H Smith class. Good gun boat - Tier IX without a doubt -  but no torps. She was a minelayer. So why not a test bed for mines? I seem to recall the Turkish Navy was quite handy with those. 

Technically the Robert H Smiths were still Sumner class, just sacrificed their torps for a deckload of mines.

[KillStealBoss]

3 hours ago, Eagle_Six_TR said:

Battleship Messudieh (1875)

 

The only battleship in the Turkish fleet before the first Balkan War in 1912 was a completely obsolete battleship, the only remaining from waves of old reformed mixed line ships dating back from the second half of the past century. She was rearmed in 1891 with three Krupp guns of 150 mm, then was completely rebuilt in 1898-1903 at the Ansaldo shipyards. She came out with a new superstructure, new machinery, and a new modern battery (See the sheet below). However the two 233 mm in turrets provided at the front and at aft were never assembled, and the Messudieh resumed service with... two wooden replicas instead !. Of questionable military value to say the least, she was sent to the Dardanelles Strait, firmly anchored in Charnak in addition to the coastal batteries. She was spotted and torpedoed by the British submersible B11 on December 1, 1914.

specifications
Displacement 9120 t standard
Dimensions 101 x 18 x 7.90 m
Propulsion 2 shaft TE steam engines, 16 Niclausse boilers, 11,000 hp, 16 knots.
Armor: Belt 305, battery 254, casemates 80, blockhouse 203, bridge 76 mm;
Crew 600
Armament 12 x 152, 14 x 76, 10 x 57, 2 x 47 mm guns.

 

This one? nah...  a BB with light cruiser guns and 2 heavy cruiser guns? The rest above that one is ok.

[Yedwy]

1 hour ago, lafeel said:

Technically the Robert H Smiths were still Sumner class, just sacrificed their torps for a deckload of mines.

Smells of RB material like Vampire II vs Daring... 

[lafeel]

20 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

This one? nah...  a BB with light cruiser guns and 2 heavy cruiser guns? The rest above that one is ok.

Even more painful when you read the fact that the 234's were never actually installed..

[KillStealBoss]

Just now, lafeel said:

Even more painful when you read the fact that the 234's were never actually installed..

yeah this ship would be useless.... even on T2

[lafeel]

7 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

yeah this ship would be useless.... even on T2

Well to be fair she was a considerable improvement over how she was built originally, at least.

[Aethervoxx]

I'm sure the Turkish players of WoWS would appreciate a number of actual Turkish ships included into the appropriate Tiers.

Whether there could be any proper Tech tree line is another topic. DDs, perhaps? Cruisers? Are there enough of those? BBs - obviously not.

[Marblehead_1]

I always support ideas of trees of smaller navies. No matter if it will be only destroyers with few premiums or 3 full lines. This DD's should be differentiated from British, Italian and American destroyers, in example by making from them pure torpedo boats. Yavuz Sultan Selim, Midilli and Muavenet-i Milliye are instant grind for me. Telling the truth two years ago or something like that we get Viribus Unitis at TV and still we didn't have Yavuz which in WWII variant could be easily TV or maybe even TVI after serious buffs.

 

We have various ports in game but not Istanbul which is so interesting and iconic city. It could be very cool to get such port in example with WWI variant with Nusret sailing into Dardanelles...