Where are the people on all those ships?

[anonym_ntfKigmJ0k9e]

It would be nice when you sink an enemy ship to see survivors in small rescue boats near the wreckage... And also to see sailors on the ship manning main guns, AA guns, captain etc. 

[GrossadmiralRattenkoenig]

And what about the casualties?

[undutchable80]

Wouldnt that push the PEGI rating up? 

[FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor]

Since they would just bring everybody down by reminding them that those people would be blown to nasty bits in a bloody pulp in an actual battle, WG chose early on not to include any.

[Kruzenstern]

While I would like for crew to be in the game stat-wise (a better crew would improve things about your ship, like captains and signal flags... how about grabbing cash there WG rather than shoving subs down our throats?), I am glad that there is no graphical representation of them in the game. I may be a bit of an oxymoron, but I suspect I am not the only one here in that I love warships (and planes and tanks), but I abhor war itself. And the thing that many of our lovely ships were used for was a terrible business that I do NOT want to be reminded of.

[Maris_Piper]

If WG put put Pixel People on the ships Snowflakes,[Edited] will be screaming they are depicting violence or they are the wrong Sex, Colour or create some other reason to whinge and moan. leave it as it is FGS 

[tocqueville8]

2 hours ago, Maris_Piper said:

Snowflakes, [Edited] will be screaming they are depicting violence or they are the wrong Sex, Colour or create some other reason to whinge and moan.

 

[DDG_121]

1 hour ago, undutchable80 said:

Wouldnt that push the PEGI rating up? 

Yep I think that was the problem. Also, so many moving small objects would put extra weight on system performance. 

 

I'm happy with the way it is now. 

[BoxOfAngryBees]

27 minutes ago, tocqueville8 said:

 

sad thing is (and i really dont like agreeing with people with mannerisms like his), hes not wrong.

 

generally, inclusion and what not is a good idea - groups that advocated for those turned it into an oppressive, hateful and fascist radicalism over time though. Its the classical us-against-them mentality that completely destroyed any utility in those groups. Socialist mentalities are the most vulnerable (but is by no means limited to it), they have no real checks/balances against it - though capitalism and the free market can also turn very dark if the us-against-them thing seeps in (generally in the form of businesses holding their customer base in contempt and /or downright malevolence, businesses also declaring outright war against the law,s etc)

 

in a normal functioning iteration of those groups, this might be talked about but lastly, this being a naval game and a love-letter of sorts to that epoch of history, it wouldnt get far. In the groups today though ... well, just look at what has become of any company/media franchise/watever that has even given those kinds of people a way in ....

ill leave it at that though.

[Animalul2012]

You want even more heat put on these poor servers that cant handle anymore the ammount of shells a ships throws? Why exactly is this needed? Would it not be better to divert all those resources on actually essential aspects surrounding the game? Like:Balance changes regarding ships, matchmaking, new maps,new campaings,new ship lines,ranked improvements,clan wars revamp? 

[RuruushuVuiBuritania]

14 minutes ago, BoxOfAngryBees said:

sad thing is (and i really dont like agreeing with people with mannerisms like his), hes not wrong.

 

generally, inclusion and what not is a good idea - groups that advocated for those turned it into an oppressive, hateful and fascist radicalism over time though. Its the classical us-against-them mentality that completely destroyed any utility in those groups. Socialist mentalities are the most vulnerable (but is by no means limited to it), they have no real checks/balances against it - though capitalism and the free market can also turn very dark if the us-against-them thing seeps in (generally in the form of businesses holding their customer base in contempt and /or downright malevolence, businesses also declaring outright war against the law,s etc)

 

in a normal functioning iteration of those groups, this might be talked about but lastly, this being a naval game and a love-letter of sorts to that epoch of history, it wouldnt get far. In the groups today though ... well, just look at what has become of any company/media franchise/watever that has even given those kinds of people a way in ....

ill leave it at that though.

You sound like the people who complained on Warhammer III's launch that Cathay does not fit the setting despite it being a first edition nation. Because it is ''pandering to the Chinese''. Even though SEGA lost all advantage that would have gotten them thanks to a terrible marketing campaign in China.
Point is, there was diversity in WWII as it stands. African Americans served on warships (See Doris Miller). Asian Americans served in the Pacific, against the very nation their ancestors came from (See Daniel Inouye). Diversity and inclusion are vital so that everyone can feel represented (although game representation should be at the bottom of the list), and most of the alienation comes from people who feel threatened by the very idea of representation itself and go to great lengths to misrepresent what is happening (and because a lot of things are done by clueless Americans). There is precedent for this in WWII naval combat, but because of the age rating, we will not get and do not really need crews.

[doerhoff_damian]

Vor 2 Stunden, SEA_TRAKTOR sagte:

It would be nice when you sink an enemy ship to see survivors in small rescue boats near the wreckage... And also to see sailors on the ship manning main guns, AA guns, captain etc. 

You mean Scenes like this.

When the Yamato became the Victim of a CV Attack

大日本帝国海軍 戦艦大和【大和型戦艦一番艦『大和』】YAMATO - YouTube

[Gvozdika]

They've all buggered off home - their ship keeps suffering a critical crash every two battles.

[tocqueville8]

Just now, BoxOfAngryBees said:

sad thing is (and i really dont like agreeing with people with mannerisms like his), hes not wrong.

 

generally, inclusion and what not is a good idea - groups that advocated for those turned it into an oppressive, hateful and fascist radicalism over time though. Its the classical us-against-them mentality that completely destroyed any utility in those groups. Socialist mentalities are the most vulnerable (but is by no means limited to it), they have no real checks/balances against it - though capitalism and the free market can also turn very dark if the us-against-them thing seeps in (generally in the form of businesses holding their customer base in contempt and /or downright malevolence, businesses also declaring outright war against the law,s etc)

 

in a normal functioning iteration of those groups, this might be talked about but lastly, this being a naval game and a love-letter of sorts to that epoch of history, it wouldnt get far. In the groups today though ... well, just look at what has become of any company/media franchise/watever that has even given those kinds of people a way in ....

ill leave it at that though.

 

Honestly, that's just a word salad.

 

How some people can reply to "could we see some crew on-board, as well as on lifeboats after the ship's been sunk?", a cute if impractical request, by mentioning "woketards" in their first post, and how you replied with "inclusion was not a bad idea [...] but socialist mentalities are the most vulnerable, etc.", I find completely baffling. It's just so off-topic.

 

It's like commenting to a stranger on the bus that it's a nice sunny day, and receiving a reply that mentions abortion or the crimes of colonialism. It's jarring.

[BLUB__BLUB]

17 minutes ago, tocqueville8 said:

It's like commenting to a stranger on the bus that it's a nice sunny day, and receiving a reply that mentions abortion or the crimes of colonialism. It's jarring

 Yes you are right. But nowadays, that is probably a very likely answer coming from that stranger on the bus.

Which means, he is also quite right in assuming it would lead to what he stated. 

 

Somebody once started lecturing me, I arrived by train and then I got into my car - he was waiting for the bus and I offered him a ride.

It was about me driving a Jaguar and not an electric car et cetera. After being kinda flabbergasted, it ended up with me giving him the finger. 

The thing is (and he is right in this as well) there is a limit to the greed of capitalism. It all ends where the money runs out.

But there is no end to virtue-signalling, at least not if you cannot give them the finger or punch them in the face.

 

That said, I play this game for the ships - and not for the bloody mess and floating bodyparts. 

[arcticstorm123]

I think this can be filed in the same place as:

 

"Can we have kamikaze aircraft"

""Can we have accurate swastika flags on German Nazi period ships and aircraft"/"Can we have rising sun flags on Japanese ships"

 

Yes it would be more historically accurate and realistic, but there are both legal and reasons of good taste these things are not included.

 

Leading on from this idea you could have a crew allowance for a ship, which can be "rescued" by team mates with attrition over time for death by cold/shark attacks, accurate but no game developer in his right mind would ever include that mechanic.

 

... and yeah some of the missions have "rescue the captain", but it basically involves sailing your ship into a circle, lol

[NewHorizons_1]

1 hour ago, Zimbiye said:

Yep I think that was the problem. Also, so many moving small objects would put extra weight on system performance. 

 

I'm happy with the way it is now. 

IIRC, WG said that the parachuting plane pilots were as far as they were going to go with showing service personnel in the game.

[arcticstorm123]

2 minutes ago, NewHorizons_1 said:

IIRC, WG said that the parachuting plane pilots were as far as they were going to go with showing service personnel in the game.

Yeah and I really wish they wouldn't, first time I saw one I assumed there was a Dutch airstrike cruiser around 

[tocqueville8]

22 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

Yes you are right. But nowadays, that is probably a very likely answer coming from that stranger on the bus.

Which means, he is also quite right in assuming it would lead to what he stated

 

It still makes no sense.

 

It's like...a culture war preemptive strike: "SJWs could be all over this" (could they? would they? meh...), so one has to start talking about "woketards and snowflakes" before them, to mark the territory I guess.

 

Complaining about your car (btw, a Jaguar: nice ), however rude, is still more pertinent to a ride in you car than comments about SJWs and the vices of capitalism are to the suggestion of showing lifeboats around a wrecked ship in a videogame.

[BoxOfAngryBees]

49 minutes ago, tocqueville8 said:

It's just so off-topic.

yeah true, it is off topic - will be my last comment about this

 

1 hour ago, RuruushuVuiBuritania said:

Point is, there was diversity in WWII as it stands. African Americans served on warships (See Doris Miller). Asian Americans served in the Pacific, against the very nation their ancestors came from (See Daniel Inouye). Diversity and inclusion are vital so that everyone can feel represented (although game representation should be at the bottom of the list), and most of the alienation comes from people who feel threatened by the very idea of representation itself and go to great lengths to misrepresent what is happening (and because a lot of things are done by clueless Americans). There is precedent for this in WWII naval combat, but because of the age rating, we will not get and do not really need crews.

basically yes - the problem becomes a problem at all when two sides start fighting over it. (kind of a non-sequitur but .... well, 'tis the way it is)

 

generally, I see it as such:
once you start hearing people chanting "we need more XXX in YYY", where XXX is a category without inherent measurement - then you know youre dealing with crazies.

[iFax]

Where are the bl__dy AA gunners when "actions stations" is called..?

 

[Zerberus76]

1. It would make the game be Pegi 18+, and actually get it banned in some locales

2. (partly ties into 1) Are we here for the ships, or to watch pixel-people suffer and die?

3. Unless they make it so static that it´s boring AF and may as well not be there, or you´re running  super high end server hardware, your cpu flat out wouldn´t be able to handle the ca. 1k additional position calculations PER VISIBLE SHIP and still deliver playable framerates.  It´s not something that would be calculated server-side because it has no bearing on the actual gameplay, but it would still slow most machines to a crawl.

So, long story short, apart from it being done for the same reasons that most multiplayer FPS games don´t depict dismemberment and have shot people lying on the ground writing in agony while they bleed out, there are also legitimate performance reasons. ;)

[BLUB__BLUB]

2 hours ago, tocqueville8 said:

It still makes no sense.

 

It's like...a culture war preemptive strike: "SJWs could be all over this" (could they? would they? meh...), so one has to start talking about "woketards and snowflakes" before them, to mark the territory I guess.

Yes it is like a pre-emptive strike. Nowadays you cannot be to careful, especially not when you are a large company,

doing commercials and (basically) living of good publicity... do you think they are not at risk?

 

2 hours ago, tocqueville8 said:

Complaining about your car (btw, a Jaguar: nice ), however rude, is still more pertinent to a ride in you car than comments about SJWs and the vices of capitalism are to the suggestion of showing lifeboats around a wrecked ship in a videogame.

Wanna bet? I got called everything including capitalist fascist swine polluter. Next time I'll think twice about offering somebody a ride... even if it rains like hell.

Oh and also next time I'll go for the V8 with the compressor (LOL). Because I do not (yet) have to care about those SJWs. 

Although... a "company CO2 performance demand" may mean that I'll be forced to do it, else I'll be out of work...!

It's not "meh" at all. I've seen people lose their jobs or contracts over this. Watch them SJWs... they'll find something to moan, it is their life goal.

[Aethervoxx]

WF is too cheap to add crews to the ships, simple as that.

[arcticstorm123]

3 hours ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

 Somebody once started lecturing me, I arrived by train and then I got into my car - he was waiting for the bus and I offered him a ride.

It was about me driving a Jaguar and not an electric car et cetera. After being kinda flabbergasted, it ended up with me giving him the finger. 

The thing is (and he is right in this as well) there is a limit to the greed of capitalism. It all ends where the money runs out.

But there is no end to virtue-signalling, at least not if you cannot give them the finger or punch them in the face.

Sounds like you had a lucky escape, you would probably have a ride consisting of a lecture along the lines of "by the way I'm vegan because I care about the planet, that's why I also have plastic shoes/clothes/wallet, and let me explain why you are killing the planet" ( nothing against vegans or environmentalists, just the ones who won't shut up about it and wear it as a preachy badge of "I'm better than you" rather than just a personal choice).

 

At least they warned you up front, saves kicking them out on a motorway.