Nice monetizaton

[koliber_1984]

I just went into Armory on my Ru account and wow, single container for 2,5k dobloons, bundles with another new tokens the same... Quo vadis, WG?

[Piratenmaedchen]

2500 dubloons to completely skip the grind to T10? Cheap, comrade.

[Pandafaust]

I mean it's too expensive to me, but so what? Everyone has a different idea of the relative value of the continers, as it's personal to them.  If someone else wants to buy them, good luck to them.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

1 hour ago, Pandafaust said:

I mean it's too expensive to me, but so what? Everyone has a different idea of the relative value of the continers, as it's personal to them.  If someone else wants to buy them, good luck to them.

 

In Belgium they can't (luckily), but they can instead buy a box of Belgian chocolates which will likely give them much better value for their money.

[AkerJack]

I don't understand where is the problem. They are a private company and they have to sell something to survive...this is what they sell. You can buy or not buy it. 

 

I'd agree with you if we would forced to buy them to go ahead on the game...but this is not the case. I see nothing wrong on what they are doing considering also what they used to do in the past.

[FukushuNL]

2 minutes ago, AkerJack said:

I don't understand where is the problem. They are a private company and they have to sell something to survive...this is what they sell. You can buy or not buy it. 

 

I'd agree with you if we would forced to buy them to go ahead on the game...but this is not the case. I see nothing wrong on what they are doing considering also what they used to do in the past.

You are half right imo. Yes, they have to sell stuff, but lootboxes are the scourge of the gaming industry. And certainly if something unique is only obtainable through gambling. What they do with the early access stuff, letting people pay for getting stuff earlier while the f2p crowd has to grind their way, that is ok imo. And they also still sell ships for money straight away, they sell dubloons, game time bundles, etc, etc. They will get their money withouth putting stuff behind a lootbox wall.

[RuruushuVuiBuritania]

Just remember: other people will have the wisdom (or lack of it) to buy these containers, so you do not have to. 

[AkerJack]

1 hour ago, FukushuNL said:

You are half right imo. Yes, they have to sell stuff, but lootboxes are the scourge of the gaming industry. And certainly if something unique is only obtainable through gambling. What they do with the early access stuff, letting people pay for getting stuff earlier while the f2p crowd has to grind their way, that is ok imo. And they also still sell ships for money straight away, they sell dubloons, game time bundles, etc, etc. They will get their money withouth putting stuff behind a lootbox wall.

I agree with you...but I still believe that is one of the way for them to make money. AT LEAST now they are giving the odds about the crates and get what you want, so people can make more educated decisions when customers buy and gamble with their loot boxes.

 

And this is a great step ahead regarding how this worked in the past. Still a big way to make it fairer.. but still an improvement.

[Senaika]

Il y a 24 minutes, AkerJack a dit :

so people can make more educated decisions when customers buy and gamble with their loot boxes

Lol ! Do you seriously think the yolo players can make educated decisions here ?

 

From my point of view, I find the gambling loot boxes system totally unhealthy. Yes it is a way to make money, but it is not the most ethical way to do it. There are so many regulations for gambling game (age, gambling addiction, fraud etc...), but somehow, the video-game industry doesn't follow these rules due to a lack of clear national laws regarding gambling in video games. Which authority can guarantee you that the odds of the loot boxes are real ? Where do you see any transparency regarding auctions ? So I don't see it as a "great step ahead" as you mention it, as many people have no idea what 25% chance means.

 

Il y a 2 heures, Karasu_Hidesuke a dit :

In Belgium they can't

Last year in Germany, they passed an amendment ensuring every game that feature loot boxes should be classified with an age rating of 18.

 

 

 

 

 

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

1 hour ago, AkerJack said:

I don't understand where is the problem. They are a private company and they have to sell something to survive...this is what they sell. You can buy or not buy it. 

 

I'd agree with you if we would forced to buy them to go ahead on the game...but this is not the case. I see nothing wrong on what they are doing considering also what they used to do in the past.

Sell something to survive? Thats quite naive.

 

The problem I see is this: It's a private company supposedly building shooter games making casino games their first business priority. Hence the abysmal state of this game. The abysmal state of the AAA industry actually. Should they do whatever they want? Sure. Is it helping the game ahead? No. It's pushing these games into a state of cynicism and decay.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

6 minutes ago, Senaika said:

Lol ! Do you seriously think the yolo players can make educated decisions here ?

 

From my point of view, I find the gambling loot boxes system totally unhealthy. Yes it is a way to make money, but it is not the most ethical way to do it. There are so many regulations for gambling game (age, gambling addiction, fraud etc...), but somehow, the video-game industry doesn't follow these rules due to a lack of clear national laws regarding gambling in video games. Which authority can guarantee you that the odds of the loot boxes are real ? Where do you see any transparency regarding auctions ? So I don't see it as a "great step ahead" as you mention it, as many people have no idea what 25% chance means.

 

Last year in Germany, they passed an amendment ensuring every game that feature loot boxes should be classified with an age rating of 18.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Something's wrong then, because according to Pegi/ESBR info World of Warships is Age 7/Teen respectively... does that make the game illegal in Germany?...

 

https://pegi.info/search-pegi?q=World+of+Warships&op=Search&age[]=&descriptor[]=&publisher=&platform[]=&release_year[]=&page=1&form_build_id=form-MOO1lR1lEBtwITV_UaHUonLgCp4TEYAPs9cyj_h7_yw&form_id=pegi_search_form

 

https://www.esrb.org/ratings/10003193/World+of+Warships/

 

All Pegi has is this:

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This game offers players the opportunity to purchase in-game items, which some parents or carers may want to be aware of. Parents, carers or other responsible adults should check to see what is being offered before making any purchase on behalf of a child. It should be noted that the game can still be played without the need to purchase such items.

 

Interestingly, if you want to know what parents and kids think about the game, respectively....

 

https://www.commonsensemedia.org/game-reviews/world-of-warships/user-reviews/adult

 

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Pathetic game run by a company full of scumbags

Manipulated crap to extract money from peoples pockets, created by lowest quality developers.
This series of games does not deserve your attention, as its main goal is not to provide any good moments to players, but to get their money with dirty practices.

 

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Very dodgy company...

Good graphics - but bad gameplay...

Content hidden behind predatory gambling mechanics...

 

... and as for the kids themselves...

 

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Bad game, dirty practices

Would you trust a company that messes internally all the factors that make the gaming experience for a player good decent or bad.
WG is the example of a greedy company that tries to squeeze players to pay money with every little factor in the gaming that should not be messed.
From matchmaking to physics, all are rigged to help recent buyers, friends, advertisers feel good. If you don't pay them you will find yourself in teams with almost zero chance of winning, or even playing a decent game.

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P2W, rigged and dirty....

 

 

 

I think you get the picture.

[Trench4nt]

Vor 4 Stunden, koliber_1984 sagte:

I just went into Armory on my Ru account and wow, single container for 2,5k dobloons, bundles with another new tokens the same... Quo vadis, WG?

 

Maybe you want to tell us about what kind of containers you are talking about?

I guess, no one with an EU account can follow you.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

Could be these little gems here:

 

https://worldofwarships.ru/ru/news/sales-and-events/premium-shop-0912-new-arrival/

 

RU Premium shop.

 

https://ru.wargaming.net/shop/wows/main/?utm_content=cm-top&utm_source=global-nav&utm_medium=link&utm_campaign=wows-portal

[Piratenmaedchen]

The "get access to the armory, buy enough to become a T10-player instantly" containers.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

1 minute ago, Piratenmaedchen said:

The "get access to the armory, buy enough to become a T10-player instantly" containers.

 

 

I expect tier X gameplay to develop in an interesting direction.

[Verblonde]

Well, FWIW here are the prices (from my NA account) in CAD$:

 

 

That's a bit shy of 150 UK Pounds for 25 containers...

[Ronchabale]

You can also buy 1 (!) typs 59 camo for 150 dubs, great value.. 

 

[Yedwy]

5 hours ago, koliber_1984 said:

I just went into Armory on my Ru account and wow, single container for 2,5k dobloons, bundles with another new tokens the same... Quo vadis, WG?

Well thats about the double what I was expecting them to be TBH so I concur - nice monetization indeed... 

[FlyingBender]

I think they put tier X in christmas and new containers to prepare the superships game. Now tier X is the end game. So first devaluate that tier and then push hard the new tier. 

[Karasu_Browarszky]

24 minutes ago, Bender76048k said:

I think they put tier X in christmas and new containers to prepare the superships game. Now tier X is the end game. So first devaluate that tier and then push hard the new tier. 

 

Seems to be moving in the direction of making tier X the new starting level...

[Yedwy]

1 minute ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

Seems to be moving in the direction of making tier X the new starting level...

And its not already? 

[AkerJack]

3 hours ago, Senaika said:

Lol ! Do you seriously think the yolo players can make educated decisions here ?

 

From my point of view, I find the gambling loot boxes system totally unhealthy. Yes it is a way to make money, but it is not the most ethical way to do it.

I'm not saying that this is the best practice, I know that very well and I hope they will keep implementing better practice to reduce the gambling risks. What I mean is that at least they started to disclose their way to make money, giving the odds for "winning" and so on. But I know that there is a long way to walk to make it, at least, good.

[AkerJack]

3 hours ago, Europizza said:

Sell something to survive? Thats quite naive.

 

The problem I see is this: It's a private company supposedly building shooter games making casino games their first business priority. Hence the abysmal state of this game. The abysmal state of the AAA industry actually. Should they do whatever they want? Sure. Is it helping the game ahead? No. It's pushing these games into a state of cynicism and decay.

All companies operate for revenue...otherwise they close. It ain't right the gambling for all ages customers and something must be implemented to avoid the bad gambling habits specially on young people, but at least they are stating the odds and also they are saying openly that those practice is for money and their own interest and not just to make the game fun and engaging.

[Verblonde]

43 minutes ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

Seems to be moving in the direction of making tier X the new starting level...

This may not be as far from the truth as you think, if we look at the ship list:

 

WG are asking 150 quid for a guaranteed T10 ship (if you have the worst luck imaginable and trigger the pity mechanic), but it's not a specific ship for all that money, it's *a* ship. The point being that reasonably experienced players will hopefully have a sense of which types of ship they like and get on with, so only a complete newbie is likely to think words to the effect of 'any T10 is good'.

 

I personally represent a couple of scenarios for an experienced player:

• EU account: I have everything on the list apart from Forrest Sherman, therefore the question is 'I am going to get Sherman if I get a ship; is the necessary spend worth it for her?'.
• NA account: I have a couple of the ships on the list, so there is no guarantee of getting something I like (DD main, and I like Napoli), so on that server the question is 'is the thing on the list I like least worth spending 150 quid for?'.

On NA, I'm not going to be whaling these containers because I know that the odds dictate that I won't get my money's worth, as I would have to spend stupid money to get ships I actually like (on average). A newbie, on the other hand, might care less and so be more likely to open their wallet, because they are less aware that not all T10s are created equal, and they are certainly not all as good as each other...

[Karasu_Browarszky]

1 minute ago, Verblonde said:

This may not be as far from the truth as you think, if we look at the ship list:

 

WG are asking 150 quid for a guaranteed T10 ship (if you have the worst luck imaginable and trigger the pity mechanic), but it's not a specific ship for all that money, it's *a* ship. The point being that reasonably experienced players will hopefully have a sense of which types of ship they like and get on with, so only a complete newbie is likely to think words to the effect of 'any T10 is good'.

 

I personally represent a couple of scenarios for an experienced player:

• EU account: I have everything on the list apart from Forrest Sherman, therefore the question is 'I am going to get Sherman if I get a ship; is the necessary spend worth it for her?'.
• NA account: I have a couple of the ships on the list, so there is no guarantee of getting something I like (DD main, and I like Napoli), so on that server the question is 'is the thing on the list I like least worth spending 150 quid for?'.

On NA, I'm not going to be whaling these containers because I know that the odds dictate that I won't get my money's worth, as I would have to spend stupid money to get ships I actually like (on average). A newbie, on the other hand, might care less and so be more likely to open their wallet, because they are less aware that not all T10s are created equal, and they are certainly not all as good as each other...

 

No effing way I'm paying that much for one random ship, especially as are already have some of those, and don't need any more. Especially at that price.